Filip Hanik - Dev wrote:
ok, there are two very simple memory friendly ways to do sticky load balancing.
And as a matter of fact, this is how some hardware loadbalancers do it.
1. Set a cookie on the clients machine - no server memory to hold a map
2. If the client doesn't accept cookies, do a
I've had a few more feature ideas (actually, it's more tweaks and simple
things than big development for the most part), and I'm refining the way
I'll be implementing the new deployer.
* Parse element Context (if context config file) in HostConfig, for
className, path and docBase attributes.
Tim Funk wrote:
*Changes to tomcat*
Add a proxy mode flag to allow for the X- headers to pass
authentication and other variables.
Add to the manager(?) app and method to expose all the URL spaces
availble.
Minor changes to fix getRemoteAddr() to show the client, not the
apache server.
Pros -
Filip Hanik wrote:
really, so then there is no fail over.
Yes there are. In Jk default is to fail over always.
The JK2 has a routeRedirect to handle such cases (but not strictly).
If the routeRedirect is down it will still fail over, which is probably
incorrect.
cause that is what fail
Mladen Turk wrote:
Filip Hanik wrote:
really, so then there is no fail over.
Yes there are. In Jk default is to fail over always.
The JK2 has a routeRedirect to handle such cases (but not strictly).
If the routeRedirect is down it will still fail over, which is probably
incorrect.
cause that
Remy Maucherat wrote:
Speaking about performance, did anyone do a comparison of
mod_proxy against mod_jk to see how good/bad it is ? This is
really important information IMO, and I don't see how a
decision can be made without it.
Results a quite impressive, good question Remy :)
In previous mail I forgot one crucial result:
Ab -n 1000 directly to TC
Time taken for tests: 1.882708 seconds
Ab -n 1 directly to TC
Time taken for tests: 17.244797 seconds
I'll leave the calculation to others.
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jean-frederic clere wrote:
I am looking to get the sessionid:
- By reading request_rec-unparsed_uri or request_rec-uri.
- By reading the cooky from request_rec-headers_in.
How do I read the sessionid in the response?
Good point. We'll need something like mod_proxy_html or something like
Remy Maucherat wrote, On 7/21/2004 11:33 PM:
The changes would have to be simple, and non intrusive performance wise.
Otherwise, I'm going to prefer AJP ;)
Speaking about performance, did anyone do a comparison of mod_proxy
against mod_jk to see how good/bad it is ? This is really important
Remy Maucherat wrote:
Filip Hanik - Dev wrote:
ok, there are two very simple memory friendly ways to do sticky load
balancing.
And as a matter of fact, this is how some hardware loadbalancers do it.
1. Set a cookie on the clients machine - no server memory to hold a map
2. If the client doesn't
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Modified:jk/native/iis jk_isapi_plugin.c
Log:
Fix broken mapping parsing.
The patch looks safe enough, since nobody should care that we modify the uri.
Submitted By: Jess Holle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Revision Changes
Henri Gomez wrote:
Could I consider the jk 1.2.6 ready for release of should we
delay it a bit ?
No release please.
There is a bug in jk_global.h so you cannot compile on WIN32.
It's couple of days ago that jean-frederic introduced protable.h, that is
nonexistent on WIN32 builds.
Here
Mladen Turk wrote:
Henri Gomez wrote:
Could I consider the jk 1.2.6 ready for release of should we
delay it a bit ?
No release please.
There is a bug in jk_global.h so you cannot compile on WIN32.
It's couple of days ago that jean-frederic introduced protable.h, that is
nonexistent on WIN32
Ab -n 1
Time taken for tests: 239.614549 seconds
Complete requests: 1
Failed requests:7011
So, mod_proxy is a lot slower and doesn't handle load.
(Perhaps increasing http listeners on TC would help).
Increasing the maxThreads to 350 and acceptCount to 300
hgomez 2004/07/22 01:31:45
Modified:jk/native/common jk_global.h
Log:
Windows didn't have portable.h
Revision ChangesPath
1.31 +6 -1 jakarta-tomcat-connectors/jk/native/common/jk_global.h
Index: jk_global.h
Henri Gomez wrote:
Remy Maucherat wrote:
Filip Hanik - Dev wrote:
ok, there are two very simple memory friendly ways to do sticky load
balancing.
And as a matter of fact, this is how some hardware loadbalancers do it.
1. Set a cookie on the clients machine - no server memory to hold a map
2. If
Mladen Turk wrote:
Ab -n 1
Time taken for tests: 239.614549 seconds
Complete requests: 1
Failed requests:7011
So, mod_proxy is a lot slower and doesn't handle load.
(Perhaps increasing http listeners on TC would help).
Increasing the maxThreads to 350 and acceptCount to
+++
WISH LIST
* mod_proxy performance: when mod_proxy is configured to do proxy
gateway (aka reverse proxy), it would be nice to be able to reuse
connections to the backend servers. Now, connections to the
backend servers are taken down when the corresponding frontend
Henri Gomez wrote:
I made some benchs yesterday on my laptop between :
- TC 3.3.2/Coyote
- Apache 2.0.49 alone (simple html file)
- Apache 2.0.49 + jk 1.2.6 + TC 3.3.2/jk2
- Apache 2.0.49 + jk 1.2.6 + 2 * TC 3.3.2/jk2
- Apache 2.0.49 + mod_proxy + TC 3.3.2 (Coyote 1.1).
I'll redo them today on a
jean-frederic clere wrote:
[error] (OS 10048)Only one usage of each socket address
(protocol/network
address/port) is normally permitted. : proxy: HTTP: attempt to
connect to 127.0.0.1:8080 (localhost) failed
Anyone has a clue where and why those error messages comes from?
Mladen Turk wrote:
jean-frederic clere wrote:
[error] (OS 10048)Only one usage of each socket address
(protocol/network
address/port) is normally permitted. : proxy: HTTP: attempt to
connect to 127.0.0.1:8080 (localhost) failed
Anyone has a clue where and why those error messages comes
-connectors
-Dmail.home=/usr/local/gump/packages/javamail-1.3
-Dant.home=/usr/local/gump/public/workspace/ant/dist
-Dsite2.home=/usr/local/gump/public/workspace/jakarta-site2
-Dcommons-collections.jar=/usr/local/gump/public/workspace/jakarta-commons/collections/build/commons-collections-20040722.jar
/packages/jmx-1_2-ri/lib/jmxri.jar
-Djmx.home=/usr/local/gump/packages/jmx-1_2-ri
-Djdbc20ext.jar=/usr/local/gump/packages/jdbc2_0/jdbc2_0-stdext.jar
-Dregexp.jar=/usr/local/gump/public/workspace/jakarta-regexp/build/jakarta-regexp-20040722.jar
-Dmail.home=/usr/local/gump/packages/javamail-1.3
Mladen Turk wrote:
jean-frederic clere wrote:
[error] (OS 10048)Only one usage of each socket address
(protocol/network
address/port) is normally permitted. : proxy: HTTP: attempt to
connect to 127.0.0.1:8080 (localhost) failed
Anyone has a clue where and why those error messages comes
I made some benchs on my Linux Fedora Core 2
on a P4 2.8ghz / 1Gb RAM :
Apache 2.0.50 in
- Apache 2.0.50 alone (simple html file)
- TC 3.3.2/Coyote 1.1
- Apache 2.0.50 + jk 1.2.6 + TC 3.3.2/jk2
JkMount /examples/* local
worker.local.port=8009
worker.local.host=localhost
worker.local.type=ajp13
Bill Barker wrote:
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Subject: AJP protocol description??
Hi..
I'm lurker from over in httpd-dev
do you guys have a description of the AJP protocol?
hgomez 2004/07/22 03:02:24
Modified:jk/xdocs/jk aphowto.xml
Log:
make no-jk appears in bold
Revision ChangesPath
1.28 +3 -3 jakarta-tomcat-connectors/jk/xdocs/jk/aphowto.xml
Index: aphowto.xml
Henri Gomez wrote:
Very strange and totally unusable at least on WIN32.
Well ab running on Win32 didn't very stable ;(
Yeah, sure :)
WTF then mod_jk doesn't produce such errors ?
BTW, the errors reported comes from mod_proxy.
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Filip Hanik - Dev wrote:
I suppose in this case the load balancer would run HOOK_MIDDLE, and
sticky would run HOOK_LAST.
cool, and then have the server just try them in that order? ie, if the sticky server
went down, it just takes the next one from the
list (and that list should be ordered well
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Tim Funk wrote:
I'm not sure of the status so far, but I'd like to summarize a strawman.
I have no idea how to code this at this time or if it can be done.
No problem, we drill down into the details as we go along :)
*Config* [Feel free to change the names]
ProxyClient http://server1/config.xml
Remy Maucherat wrote:
It's cool to have one less thing to configure, but it seems to me
jvmRoute is the most reliable and efficient way of doing stickiness
Can you describe the jvmRoute method to me?
(the
cookie way is intrusive, and the IP way is highly inaccurate).
I agree on the IP way being
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Henri Gomez wrote:
- I'm using ab (ApacheBench) and wonder if the -k (keep alive)
if HTTP keep-alive is really used ?
- Did mod_proxy keep a connection cache ?
Proxy's HTTP module will reuse the same connection from previous
connections if keepalives are being used, it doesn't keep a connection
Mladen Turk wrote:
BTW, the errors reported comes from mod_proxy.
What are the errors though, and do they come from mod_proxy or
mod_proxy_http?
It would be a huge help to the people using proxy (ie for non tomcat
related stuff) if we could find and fix these error conditions under load.
I am looking for some direction as to what APi I should be using for
doing a custom login to tomcat 4.x 5.x, I don't want to use the j2ee
container authentication, any suggestion on where I could find some
info or sample code, I need to also do things like, get user list,
get Roles,
Graham Leggett wrote:
Remy Maucherat wrote:
It's cool to have one less thing to configure, but it seems to me
jvmRoute is the most reliable and efficient way of doing stickiness
Can you describe the jvmRoute method to me?
It's really dumb: we append the node name to the session id when it's
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I get the following error when trying to start the Tomcat 5 service in Windows
XP...any idea why this is happening now?
It used to work fine a week ago and all of a sudden, I started getting this error:
I get the following error when trying to start the Tomcat 5 service in Windows
XP...any idea why this is happening now?
It used to work fine a week ago and all of a sudden, I started getting this error:
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my mistake...here's the error from windows service:
[2004-07-22 08:29:49] [364 javajni.c] [error] Unsuported JNI version 65537
[2004-07-22 08:29:49] [770 prunsrv.c] [error] Failed initializing java
..\bin\bootstrap.jar
[2004-07-22 08:29:49] [982 prunsrv.c] [error] ServiceStart returned 2
jean-frederic clere wrote:
I also I have some (40) errors with concurrency 300 but Tomcat and
Apache are in 2 different machines:
+++
[Thu Jul 22 11:39:39 2004] [error] [client 172.25.182.35] proxy:
DNS lookup failure for: pgtr0327.mch.fsc.net returned by
^^
Henri Gomez wrote:
I made some benchs on my Linux Fedora Core 2
on a P4 2.8ghz / 1Gb RAM :
Apache 2.0.50 in
- Apache 2.0.50 alone (simple html file)
- TC 3.3.2/Coyote 1.1
- Apache 2.0.50 + jk 1.2.6 + TC 3.3.2/jk2
JkMount /examples/* local
worker.local.port=8009
worker.local.host=localhost
Graham Leggett wrote:
jean-frederic clere wrote:
I also I have some (40) errors with concurrency 300 but Tomcat and
Apache are in 2 different machines:
+++
[Thu Jul 22 11:39:39 2004] [error] [client 172.25.182.35] proxy:
DNS lookup failure for: pgtr0327.mch.fsc.net returned by
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Graham Leggett wrote:
Mladen Turk wrote:
BTW, the errors reported comes from mod_proxy.
What are the errors though, and do they come from mod_proxy
or mod_proxy_http?
All are exactly the same:
[error] (OS 10048)Only one usage of each socket address (protocol/network
address/port)
Remy Maucherat wrote:
+1 on using a real OS ;)
Well, you could also use a real programming language for start ;-).
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Remy Maucherat wrote:
Henri Gomez wrote:
I made some benchs on my Linux Fedora Core 2
on a P4 2.8ghz / 1Gb RAM :
Apache 2.0.50 in
- Apache 2.0.50 alone (simple html file)
- TC 3.3.2/Coyote 1.1
- Apache 2.0.50 + jk 1.2.6 + TC 3.3.2/jk2
JkMount /examples/* local
worker.local.port=8009
Remy Maucherat wrote:
DNS lookup failure for: pgtr0327.mch.fsc.net returned by
^^
It's not normal there's a DNS lookup on each request. Why does it happen ?
In the config it was set to connect to a DNS name, which has to be
resolved - but httpd doesn't do any caching of this
Mladen Turk wrote:
All are exactly the same:
[error] (OS 10048)Only one usage of each socket address (protocol/network
address/port) is normally permitted. : proxy: HTTP: attempt to connect to
127.0.0.1:8080 (localhost) failed
Ok.
We had a same problen in jk for over two years now. The problem is
the nightly build of jmeter has an alpha sampler that uses Commons
HTTPClient. you may want to try that one instead, if you use jmeter
peter
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Remy Maucherat wrote:
Henri Gomez wrote:
I made some benchs on my Linux
Remy Maucherat wrote:
Graham Leggett wrote:
jean-frederic clere wrote:
I also I have some (40) errors with concurrency 300 but Tomcat and
Apache are in 2 different machines:
+++
[Thu Jul 22 11:39:39 2004] [error] [client 172.25.182.35] proxy:
DNS lookup failure for: pgtr0327.mch.fsc.net
Mladen Turk wrote:
/* make the connection out of the socket */
do {
rv = apr_socket_connect(*newsock, backend_addr);
} while (APR_STATUS_IS_EINTR(rv));
One further question (I am not 100% clued up on the workings of apr's
socket handling) - would a situation
Hola,
* Redo naming resources configuration using setAllProperties rule to
make the XML less verbose.
Example:
Resource name=bean/MyBeanFactory auth=Container
type=com.mycompany.MyBean
factory=org.apache.naming.factory.BeanFactory
bar=23/
I personally really like this
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Peter Lin wrote:
the nightly build of jmeter has an alpha sampler that uses Commons
HTTPClient. you may want to try that one instead, if you use jmeter
peter
made some tests with JMeter 2.0.1 but my laptop is
way to slow.
I need another smaller stress tool ;(
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you can run it in non-Gui mode with -n option.
http://jakarta.apache.org/jmeter/usermanual/get-started.html#non_gui
might help, or not.
peter
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Peter Lin wrote:
the nightly build of jmeter has an alpha sampler that
jean-frederic clere wrote:
Not for each request but each time http makes a new connection to Tomcat.
We have to cache the result of apr_sockaddr_info_get().
Added to bugzilla as a request for enhancement (so this doesn't fall
through the cracks).
Regards,
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So if I committed the above patch to httpd v2.1.0-dev would
you be in a position to test it?
No, I've tested it.
Still has the same error messages.
OS error 10048 means:
Typically, only one usage of each socket address (protocol/IP address/port) is
permitted. This
yoavs 2004/07/22 06:47:15
Modified:docs index.html
xdocsindex.xml
Log:
Updated latest stable version from 5.0.25 to 5.0.27.
Revision ChangesPath
1.62 +5 -3 jakarta-tomcat-site/docs/index.html
Index: index.html
Mladen Turk wrote:
We had a same problen in jk for over two years now. The problem is that you
will need at least:
Line 1037 in proxy_util.c:
/* make the connection out of the socket */
do {
rv = apr_socket_connect(*newsock, backend_addr);
} while
Mladen Turk wrote:
OS error 10048 means:
Typically, only one usage of each socket address (protocol/IP address/port) is
permitted. This error occurs if an application attempts to bind a socket to an
IP address/port that has already been used for an existing socket, or a socket
that was not closed
Graham Leggett wrote:
jean-frederic clere wrote:
Not for each request but each time http makes a new connection to Tomcat.
We have to cache the result of apr_sockaddr_info_get().
Added to bugzilla as a request for enhancement (so this doesn't fall
through the cracks).
That is PR 30259.
Regards,
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So if you have any showstopper, send me an email :)))
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used for an existing socket, or a socket that was not
closed properly, or one that is still in the process of closing.
For server applications that need to bind multiple sockets
to the same
port number, consider using setsockopt
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Quick question - did you had any discussion on class loaders for 5.next?
It's one area I'm playing with, I want to make sure I'm not going in
oposite direction :-)
BTW - another feature idea would be to extend the JMX configuration into
the webapps, i.e. allow jmx apps to view and configure
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hgomez 2004/07/22 08:08:55
Modified:jk/native/common jk_version.h
Log:
1.2.6 release (before tagging)
Revision ChangesPath
1.19 +2 -2 jakarta-tomcat-connectors/jk/native/common/jk_version.h
Index: jk_version.h
Shapira, Yoav wrote:
Hola,
* Redo naming resources configuration using setAllProperties rule to
make the XML less verbose.
Example:
Resource name=bean/MyBeanFactory auth=Container
type=com.mycompany.MyBean
factory=org.apache.naming.factory.BeanFactory
bar=23/
I
Mladen Turk wrote:
If you turn the loglevel to debug then there is no error messages (although
everything is by the order of magnitude slower), so the closing algorithm is
correct.
The problem is IMHO that you are using a socket (presuming it is free) still
served by the bucket brigade, but I may
Remy Maucherat wrote:
Graham Leggett wrote:
Remy Maucherat wrote:
It's cool to have one less thing to configure, but it seems to me
jvmRoute is the most reliable and efficient way of doing stickiness
Can you describe the jvmRoute method to me?
It's really dumb: we append the node name to the
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Costin Manolache wrote:
Quick question - did you had any discussion on class loaders for 5.next?
It's one area I'm playing with, I want to make sure I'm not going in
oposite direction :-)
I'll tweak the StandardCL to do a bit the same as the WebappCL (ie, try
to make it faster). I'll also
hgomez 2004/07/22 08:16:25
Modified:jk/native/common jk_version.h
Log:
jk 1.2.7-dev right now
Revision ChangesPath
1.20 +4 -4 jakarta-tomcat-connectors/jk/native/common/jk_version.h
Index: jk_version.h
Henri Gomez wrote:
I'll tag jk 1.2.6 by 17h CET.
So if you have any showstopper, send me an email :)))
JTC tagged as JK_1_2_6
Now back to jk 1.2.7-dev
tarball to be released soon.
Thanks to various commiters to provide the usual
binaries...
Regards
fhanik 2004/07/22 08:41:15
Modified:modules/cluster/src/share/org/apache/catalina/cluster
ClusterManager.java
modules/cluster/src/share/org/apache/catalina/cluster/session
DeltaManager.java SessionMessageImpl.java
Remy Maucherat wrote:
Costin Manolache wrote:
Quick question - did you had any discussion on class loaders for 5.next?
It's one area I'm playing with, I want to make sure I'm not going in
oposite direction :-)
I'll tweak the StandardCL to do a bit the same as the WebappCL (ie, try
to make it
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Could be, or not.
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Quick question - did you had any discussion on class loaders for
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It's one area I'm playing with, I want to make sure I'm not going in
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I'll tweak the StandardCL to do a bit the same as the
Henri Gomez wrote:
Henri Gomez wrote:
I'll tag jk 1.2.6 by 17h CET.
So if you have any showstopper, send me an email :)))
JTC tagged as JK_1_2_6
Now back to jk 1.2.7-dev
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Henri Gomez wrote:
Remy Maucherat wrote:
Henri Gomez wrote:
I made some benchs on my Linux Fedora Core 2
on a P4 2.8ghz / 1Gb RAM :
Apache 2.0.50 in
- Apache 2.0.50 alone (simple html file)
- TC 3.3.2/Coyote 1.1
- Apache 2.0.50 + jk 1.2.6 + TC 3.3.2/jk2
JkMount /examples/* local
hgomez 2004/07/22 09:31:07
Modified:jk/native/common jk_global.h
Log:
Well a post 1.2.6 fix since iSeries didn't have portable.h neither
(no autoconf here).
the jk 1.2.6 iSeries binaries will be generated with this patch
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1.32 +2 -2
jean-frederic clere wrote:
mod_proxy in ap_proxy_http_cleanup() closes the socket if HTTP is 1.1
is that correct?
The request was (from ab):
+++
GET /examples/ HTTP/1.0^M
User-Agent: ApacheBench/2.0.40-dev^M
Connection: Keep-Alive^M
Host: localhost:7779^M
Accept: */*^M
^M
+++
I'm still looking
Hi,
Does wget support HTTP/1.1?
Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics
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From: Henri Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:36 PM
To: Tomcat Developers List
Subject: Re: Some benchs results : WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters
in
I'm happy with the latest change to get_cookie but there is one more
problem I've found.
We, UF, have a convention of putting production services at
http://service.ufl.edu/ and testing beta services at
http://test.service.ufl.edu/ .
This causes a problem with cookie based session tracking
Try siege: http://joedog.org/siege/
Despite what the docs say, it runs pretty sweet on cygwin too. (with 2.60b5)
-Tim
Henri Gomez wrote:
jean-frederic clere wrote:
mod_proxy in ap_proxy_http_cleanup() closes the socket if HTTP is 1.1
is that correct?
The request was (from ab):
+++
GET
Hi,
http://jakarta.apache.org/~hgomez/jakarta-tomcat-connectors-jk-1.2.6/
JFC's portable.h breaks NetWare too; should I now extend the #ifndef like Henry did? I
guess there are probably more platforms which dont have portable.h, so it's perhaps a
better approach to do:
#ifdef HAVE_PORTABLE_H
fuankg 2004/07/22 11:23:46
Modified:jk/native/common jk_global.h
Log:
post 1.2.6 fix since NetWare doesnt have portable.h (no autoconf here).
the jk 1.2.6 NetWare binaries will be generated with this patch.
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1.33 +5 -1
Hi,
How would I use JMX/tomcat to get a handle on the realm and be able to
call methods like authenticate(). I know I can get a realm but I
believe its not writeable. I was trying to use the ServerFactory but
it seems I get a classnotfound exception, are the container
classloader not a child of
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