Dear God,
Could everyone just stop the bickering, my inbox was so heavy this morning I
could have sworn it was turning into a black hole.
I've worked in engineering my whole life and there has been three phrases
that have always stood me on solid ground. Read the f***in manual, If
you don't
: I don´t understand the objective of this open list !
I'm brand new to this list and have noticed the lack of good
documentation available. However the docs that exist are
extremely helpful and I've found plenty of information on
configuring Tomcat. Since this thread is getting so much
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Extra bonus points for using superfluous! What a great word.
John
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Notice that I didn't ask a question JOEL BERGMAN (are you a Jakarta
developer
.
Regards,
Drew
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From: Turner, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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You're forgetting that Tomcat is a reference implementation. Nobody
NOT a web administrator).
Jim
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Notice that I didn't ask a question JOEL BERGMAN (are you
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was a private message for the developers. It seemed to be a blanket
complaint from
(and stop bitching)!
Jim
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The documentation sure does need some work in certain areas
: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list !
You know what really bothers me about this whole thread: Tomcat is free.
What right does anyone have to complain about free stuff? That's like
complaining cause someone gave you free beer but it said Generic on the
label. It might not go
Users List
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Notice that I didn't ask a question JOEL BERGMAN (are you a Jakarta
developer). I simply chimed in when someone else expressed
dissatisfaction with this list. I have been disappointed and
frustrated
welcome.
John
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The documentation sure does need some work in certain areas
Oooops! This must have been sent in error! Or, are we all (Tomcat User
List) going to be taken to court?
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From: micael
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:58 PM
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This electronic mail
Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Our company has a very young, inexperienced appserver administrator
who had Tomcat up an running in a matter of minutes (literally)
without a CD library of professionally drafted set of documentation.
With an Apache connector? Running as a nonprivileged user
the one from pubbitch.org.
Perhaps they may be of some help.
John
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Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED
that undergraduate work in Chemistry is paying
off...:)
In a whimsical mood,
Mike
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Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:46 AM
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Turner, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sorry, Dave. I don't use JK2, that is why I didn't reply. I figured I
would be wasting your time by making suggestions. I'm sure there are
perfectly valid reasons why others did not reply.
I understand that.
Sometimes you don't get a response for a
That said, I hope to have a JK2 HOWTO this weekend. Did you get your issues
resolved using the HOWTO you found?
John
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Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:08 AM
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Turner, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That said, I hope to have a JK2 HOWTO this weekend. Did you get your issues
resolved using the HOWTO you found?
I haven't had a chance yet. If that doesn't help, I'll probably be
back...or waiting for your HOWTO.
Thanks.
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that undergraduate work in Chemistry is paying
off...:)
In a whimsical mood,
Mike
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referred to the mail archives). At least with a vendor I have
someone to yell
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Turner, John wrote:
You're forgetting that Tomcat is a reference implementation.
This is not actually true in the legal sense, or really any longer
relevant in the practical sense.
In the legal sense, Tomcat code is *used in* the reference implementation
for J2EE, which
If you find Tomcat hard to setup and use there are other options. Several
vendors actually use Apache and Tomcat as OEM for their web application
servers.
One of them is Borland, who's Application Server (web server edition)
http://www.borland.com/besweb/ provides a nice management GUI for
In 3 opportunities i wrote to this stuped (sorry) list, and NEVER i found help.
I hope that the people that participates of this list, don´t have damages about
other people that don´t belong´s at your countries.
Thank´s for NOTHING.
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You're defiantly blacklisted now :)
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You're defiantly blacklisted now :)
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In 3 opportunities i wrote to this stuped (sorry) list, and
NEVER i found help.
I hope that the people that participates
- Emerson
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You're defiantly blacklisted now
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what curious that is the first time that someone here, can to
answer to
something. Yes, this list
blacklisted now :)
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In 3 opportunities i wrote to this stuped (sorry) list, and NEVER i
found
help.
I
December 2002 13:40
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In 3 opportunities i wrote to this stuped (sorry) list, and NEVER i
found
help.
I hope that the people that participates of this list, don´t have
damages
about
other people that don´t belong´s
. Post
you question in a form that is answerable and you just might get some use
from the list.
Donie
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Sorry
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NEVER i found help.
I hope that the people that participates
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In 3 opportunities i wrote to this stuped (sorry) list, and
NEVER i found help.
I hope that the people that participates of this list, don´t
with vinegar.
-Mark
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Dear Jhon,
Thank´s for your answer. Yes, maybe my questions is very
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Dear Jhon,
Thank´s for your answer. Yes, maybe my questions is very
dificult because:
1. Nobody has to installed tomcat 4.1.12 and
2. Nobody has to run
there first and come back if you have a
real problem.
Donie
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Sent: 09 December 2002 14:29
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Dear Jhon,
Thank´s for your answer. Yes
Hi,
Maybe this will help. I'll describe my rationale when I saw your question. As you
summarized them:
1. Nobody has to installed tomcat 4.1.12 and
2. Nobody has to run the simple examples of tomcat 4.1.12 after the
install.
Obviously, people (including myself) have done this before.
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In 3 opportunities i wrote to this stuped (sorry) list, and
NEVER i found
: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list !
I still don't understand the question. If it's so easy maybe
it's because
people are sick of answering simple questions where people
don't read the
how-to or installation guides properly. The archive for this
list is at
http
Well, you have lots of answers now.
At 08:40 AM 12/9/2002 -0500, you wrote:
In 3 opportunities i wrote to this stuped (sorry) list, and NEVER i found
help.
I hope that the people that participates of this list, don´t have damages
about
other people that don´t belong´s at your countries.
You have all the rights to have your own impressions, but I'd
like to share with you about this list.
I have subscribed many lists in many years, but this is one of
the most friendly lists I ever seen.
This is just FYI.
Pae
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I know the reason for this list - at least as it applies to Jakarta.
It is meant to address the complete lack of adequate documentation
for tomcat. Of course, nobody can answer your questions. The
purpose of Jakarta is not to build useful software for the rest of
us. It is to keep geeks happy,
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From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:37 PM
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I know the reason for this list - at least as it applies to Jakarta.
It is meant
I think it an opportunity to sell updated books! ;)
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Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 3:48 PM
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I disagree. There's lots
Jim Henderson writes:
I think it an opportunity to sell updated books! ;)
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From: Turner, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 3:48 PM
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I disagree
You're correct. There is lots of documentation out there.
Unfortunately, it belongs with most things that are open sourse - in
the trash. Jakarata/tomcat is particularly bad. The people that
manage it should be ashamed of themselves (I hope they are not
building software I have to rely on
David,
You are a perfect case in point. I want to use tomcat, but I am not
a geek. I want proper user level documentation. I should not have
to know about how a damn java app server works internally (nor how to
build it) in order to setup one up and use it.
Is the point of Jarkata to keep
and yours are safe, warm, and content.
John
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From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:05 PM
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You're correct. There is lots
was missing in
order to answer your questions.
Yoav Shapira
Millennium ChemInformatics
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I
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Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:11 PM
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David,
You are a perfect case in point. I want to use tomcat, but I am
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You're correct. There is lots of documentation out there.
Unfortunately, it belongs with most things that are open sourse - in
the trash. Jakarata/tomcat is particularly bad
Mike,
Here is information from a cursory search on Amazon.
Tomcat Kick Start
by Martin Bond, Debbie Law (Paperback)
Usually ships in 24 hours
List Price: $34.99
Buy new: $24.49
Used new from $19.95
Mastering Tomcat Development
by Peter Harrison, Ian McFarland (Paperback)
Avg. Customer
Subject: Re: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list !
David,
You are a perfect case in point. I want to use tomcat, but I am not
a geek. I want proper user level documentation. I should not have
to know about how a damn java app server works internally (nor how
Extra bonus points for using superfluous! What a great word.
John
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From: Short, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:21 PM
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This is open
I'm brand new to this list and have noticed the lack of good documentation available.
However the docs that exist are extremely helpful and I've found plenty of information
on configuring Tomcat. Since this thread is getting so much publicity I might as well
restate my willingness to improve
Thank´s for your answer. Yes, maybe my questions is very dificult because:
1. Nobody has to installed tomcat 4.1.12 and
2. Nobody has to run the simple examples of tomcat 4.1.12 after the
install.
I installed 4.1.12 in the car on my laptop. Took me all of a few minutes,
and was a lot less
What questions are you talking about?
At 06:51 PM 12/9/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Thank´s for your answer. Yes, maybe my questions is very dificult because:
1. Nobody has to installed tomcat 4.1.12 and
2. Nobody has to run the simple examples of tomcat 4.1.12 after the
install.
I installed
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From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:37 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
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I know the reason for this list - at least as it applies to Jakarta.
It is meant
I want proper user level documentation.
If you are unsatisfied with the documentation:
1) contribute some time to help
2) contribute some $ to help
3) wait for someone else to do 1 or 2
4) spend even MORE money and buy IBM WebSphere.
Basically the same code, more docs, LOTS more
Noel J. Bergman writes:
I want proper user level documentation.
If you are unsatisfied with the documentation:
1) contribute some time to help
2) contribute some $ to help
3) wait for someone else to do 1 or 2
4) spend even MORE money and buy IBM WebSphere.
Basically the same
, and mod_web are supposed to
(if anyone could get them to work). A development version is
available for free.
Mike
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From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:37 PM
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The documentation sure does need some work in certain areas, but it is
hardly in the sad state that you claim it is in.
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At 12/9/2002 07:37 PM, you wrote:
Notice that I didn't ask a question JOEL BERGMAN (are you a Jakarta
developer). I simply chimed in when someone else expressed
dissatisfaction with this list. I have been disappointed and frustrated
by the that is called documentation. I stopped trying
Notice that I didn't ask a question JOEL BERGMAN (are you a Jakarta
developer).
I didn't realize that:
I know the reason for this list - at least as it applies to Jakarta.
It is meant to address the complete lack of adequate documentation
for tomcat.
was a private message for the
The documentation sure does need some work in certain areas, but it
is hardly in the sad state that you claim it is in.
Okay, let me give a specific example. I will describe to you a
likely standard configuration for a server that would be used in a
typical commercial setting. Prove tomcat
was a private message for the developers. It seemed to be a blanket
complaint from an apparently annoyed person.
I have been disappointed and frustrated by the that
is called documentation. I stopped trying to get tomcat
to work properly over a year ago. Recently I looked into
it
Mike,
We're happy not to have you use the software. If you
read the documentation for other application servers,
you'll quickly find that there is an equal amount of
'geek' speak.
Sad to say, but at some point you need to understand
the technology and know what you are doing in order to
Mike DiChiappari wrote:
The documentation sure does need some work in certain areas, but it is
hardly in the sad state that you claim it is in.
Ok so I manage to get you to describe some of the problems you are
having. I consider that an improvement from all the other mails I have
seen so far
Mark,
Thank you for your candid response. I believe I understand the point
of Jakarta now.
We're happy not to have you use the software. If you
read the documentation for other application servers,
you'll quickly find that there is an equal amount of
'geek' speak.
Since you say we're I
From: Mike DiChiappari [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 6:37 PM
Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list !
Notice that I didn't ask a question JOEL BERGMAN (are you a Jakarta
developer). I simply chimed in when
Then I may have made an error. I have been telling my business
associates that tomcat is NOT a viable commercial server. They
recently said I was wrong. In looking through the Jakarta web site I
believe I saw the term commercial quality in regards to Tomcat.
The code is commercial quality.
Here is an opportunity though as I've offered my services. So if anyone
knows who I should contact about this I'm all ears.
Write the docs. Use the existing XML sources to guide you, and submit new
ones. Talk to John Turner, as well, who has a set of docs (IIRC).
ref:
Subject: Re: I don´t understand the objective of this open list !
I know the reason for this list - at least as it applies to Jakarta.
It is meant to address the complete lack of adequate documentation
for tomcat.
Are you volunteering to write some, Mike DiChiappari? That is how
I think that you may find, from my experience, that you are going to have
to pay more than a little for accountability to get what you are asking
for here. What is your problem that is Tomcat's fault anyway?
At 09:43 PM 12/9/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Mark,
Thank you for your candid response. I
That's my vote.
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Lord, let's stop
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