On 17/09/13 01:22, Marc A. Pelletier wrote:
On 09/16/2013 04:13 PM, Platonides wrote:
labs db server do contain the non-public data.
Just to clarify things, here, that's a necessary artifact of the way
mediawiki works: many of the bits of data that should be made
unavailable are done so condit
On 09/16/2013 04:13 PM, Platonides wrote:
labs db server do contain the non-public data.
Just to clarify things, here, that's a necessary artifact of the way
mediawiki works: many of the bits of data that should be made
unavailable are done so conditionally on /live data/. It is not
possibl
On Sep 16, 2013 7:06 PM, "Platonides" wrote:
> labs db server do contain the non-public data. It's just not viewable. So
there aren't bin logs for just the non-public data.
> You *could* make a dump of the database (probably creating a new tool, as
mysqldump would simply dump the view definition).
On 17/09/13 00:11, Tim Landscheidt wrote:
Ryan Lane wrote:
[...]
I'm more than happy to recommend a number of cloud services and am
more than willing to give advice on how to configure and run tools
and bots from those services. It's even possible to reuse the work
we're doing in the tools
Ryan Lane wrote:
> [...]
>> > I'm more than happy to recommend a number of cloud services and am
>> > more than willing to give advice on how to configure and run tools
>> > and bots from those services. It's even possible to reuse the work
>> > we're doing in the tools project, or in the Wikime
Hello Ryan,
Am 30.08.2013 01:57, schrieb Ryan Lane:
> My feeling is that everything supported financially by the movement that
> is necessary for it to operate (which includes tools and bots that users
> depend on) should be open source so that it can be forked, just like the
> content and the infr
Hello Ryan,
Am 29.08.2013 21:09, schrieb Ryan Lane:
> You're fighting against something that is providing everything you've
> been asking for and more.
just a notice here: The Toolserver IS everything I asked for. It’s only
problem is that it is underfunded. Otherwise it is great. It has a
living
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Petr Onderka wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Ryan Lane wrote:
> > If there's a crucial bot or tool that uses a proprietary license and the
> > benefactor decides to revoke its license, what do we do?
>
> I don't think licenses usually work that way.
>
>
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Ryan Lane wrote:
> If there's a crucial bot or tool that uses a proprietary license and the
> benefactor decides to revoke its license, what do we do?
I don't think licenses usually work that way.
If I share some code under an open source license, I can't later
d
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 7:44 AM, DaB. wrote:
> Am 30.08.2013 00:08, schrieb Erik Moeller:
> > lack of compatibility with other licenses
>
> good luck with using GPL-code in a BSD-project, or CC-text in
> GFDL-document.
> Mixing licenses are problematic most times, no matter if
> open-source-ones
Am 30.08.2013 00:08, schrieb Erik Moeller:
> lack of compatibility with other licenses
good luck with using GPL-code in a BSD-project, or CC-text in GFDL-document.
Mixing licenses are problematic most times, no matter if
open-source-ones or proprietary ones.
And Wikimedia was not founded ON free-
Hello,
Am 29.08.2013 23:21, schrieb Daniel Schwen:
> We've been singing the same song
I guess the song is named "Better a closed tool or none tool?".
What some guys here forget: Some of us do programming not for fun or as
a hobby, but as a job. And these are REALLY good. Merlissimo is one of
the
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Merlissimo wrote:
> Because of the open source requirement i hope that i have rewritten my
> tools with the help of WMDE in about 6-10 month.
That's great, I'm happy to hear that WMDE is helping with this.
> That's a boring and usless additional work
Boring it
I just don't get this discussion. We've been singing the same song for
years now: "Tools should be opensource and freely licensed to make
sure they are forkable, independent of single owners, and thus
durable"
Now people are suddenly complaining when opensource is enforced that
their closed source
Hi,
Can you elaborate?
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Merlissimo wrote:
> Am 29.08.2013 21:09, schrieb Ryan Lane:
>> Tools and bots are depended on by the movement to properly run. They're
>> an extension of the infrastructure. The projects should be forkable and
>> that includes the tools and
Am 29.08.2013 21:09, schrieb Ryan Lane:
> Tools and bots are depended on by the movement to properly run. They're
> an extension of the infrastructure. The projects should be forkable and
> that includes the tools and bots that keep it running.
>
> You're arguing to keep parts of the infrastructur
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 2:36 AM, DaB. wrote:
> Hello,
> Am 29.08.2013 02:24, schrieb Ryan Lane:
>
> >
> > Please read: http://opensource.org/osd-annotated
>
> let me quote the German Wikipedia, which is a lot clearer in this point
> as the English Wikipedia
>
> > Open Source [oʊpən ˈsɔːɹs] (engl.
Hello,
Am 29.08.2013 02:24, schrieb Ryan Lane:
>
> Please read: http://opensource.org/osd-annotated
let me quote the German Wikipedia, which is a lot clearer in this point
as the English Wikipedia
> Open Source [oʊpən ˈsɔːɹs] (engl., US), [əʊpən ˈsɔːs] (brit.) und
> quelloffen nennt man Softwar
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:12 AM, DaB. wrote:
> Hello,
> Am 28.08.2013 21:18, schrieb Ryan Lane:
> > If it isn't free, then it isn't open source.
>
> sorry, that’s wrong. Software can be free but not open-source, it can be
> open-source but not free, it can be free and open-source, and can be
> no
Hello,
Am 28.08.2013 21:18, schrieb Ryan Lane:
> If it isn't free, then it isn't open source.
sorry, that’s wrong. Software can be free but not open-source, it can be
open-source but not free, it can be free and open-source, and can be
non-free and closed source.
If labs only accept stuff that is
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Dr. Trigon wrote:
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> @DaB+Silke: Thanks for your infos!!
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> @Ryan: Of course I am trying labs already since quite some time now...
> ;) But you know there are some issues...
> (1) is the mail thing - which should
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@DaB+Silke: Thanks for your infos!!
@Ryan: Of course I am trying labs already since quite some time now...
;) But you know there are some issues...
(1) is the mail thing - which should be solved soon
(2) is what to do with tools that are non-free or u
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Ryan Lane wrote:
> > * Most tools will just run when you copy them to Tool Labs. Just
>> > in case: Need help adapting a tool? Ask me and I'll do what I can
>> > to
>> get > you help, e.g. from my colleague Johannes Kroll.
>>
>> E.g. what about E-Mail? Do I have
Hello,
Am 19.08.2013 23:49, schrieb Dr. Trigon:
> E.g. is it still planned to discontinue the TS? Having 2 payed admins
> does not sound like that... - good news?
yes, it is still the plan. The hiring of a second admin is independent
of everything.
Sincerely,
DaB.
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On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Dr. Trigon wrote:
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> > If you're asking "is it safe to move tools to Labs", my experience
> > so far say "yes". I can't speak for all unique toolserver
> > features, though.Cheers,Magnus
>
> > If you don't care ab
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> If you're asking "is it safe to move tools to Labs", my experience
> so far say "yes". I can't speak for all unique toolserver
> features, though.Cheers,Magnus
> If you don't care about losing your (nfs) file system every once in
> a while and havin
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Hello DaB
Thanks for your answer!
> If you make a more detailed question, maybe I can give you a more
> detailed answer.
E.g. is it still planned to discontinue the TS? Having 2 payed admins
does not sound like that... - good news?
Thanks and Gree
On 11/08/13 08:36, Silke Meyer wrote:
* Most tools will just run when you copy them to Tool Labs. Just in
case: Need help adapting a tool? Ask me and I'll do what I can to get
you help, e.g. from my colleague Johannes Kroll.
Provide a toolserver.wiki table please.
_
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Maciej Jaros wrote:
> When will users from TS be able to fully use GIT? I'm asking because this
page gives some information on migration process, but also mentions that
Push access is not available. Which is kind of strange because, as I
understand, I would be cre
Silke Meyer (2013-08-11 08:36):
Hi, DrTrigon, hi all!
Here are the essentials:
* Please migrate your tools to Tool Labs until June 30th 2014.
(Roadmap: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Tool_Labs/Roadmap_en)
[...]
Two questions:
1. What will happen after June 2014? Specifically - what will hap
Thanks, I listed into labs-l and I logged into #wikimedia-labs , I hope I
will get help presently I found blocking issues bot in compat and in
core, I'll ask there.
Everyway, I keep my Toolserver account alive :-)
Alex
2013/8/11 Silke Meyer
> Hi Alex,
>
> cool that you are having a go f
I apparently have failed to notice the above mentioned slow databases!
On 13 Aug 2013 10:14, "Maarten Dammers" wrote:
> Hi DrTrigon,
>
> Op 10-8-2013 11:36, Dr. Trigon schreef:
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>> Hello DaB!
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>> Could you please give me a short update - t
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Maarten Dammers wrote:
> Hi DrTrigon,
>
> Op 10-8-2013 11:36, Dr. Trigon schreef:
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>> Hello DaB!
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>> Could you please give me a short update - the end of 2013 is
>> approaching, what is the current state for
Hi DrTrigon,
Op 10-8-2013 11:36, Dr. Trigon schreef:
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Hello DaB!
Could you please give me a short update - the end of 2013 is
approaching, what is the current state for TS resp. Labs?
If you don't care about losing your (nfs) file system every once
Hi, DrTrigon, hi all!
Here are the essentials:
* Please migrate your tools to Tool Labs until June 30th 2014. (Roadmap:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Tool_Labs/Roadmap_en)
* Yes, there are replicas of the databases and many other features. It is
made similar to the login servers on TS.
* Subscr
I don't know precisely what's happening, my skill & knowledge is barely
sufficient to have a vague idea of what I'm doing; I just began to explore
Labs I can only say thanks to DaB for opportunity and help that I
fastly got when needed.
Alex
2013/8/10 Magnus Manske
> If you're asking "is
If you're asking "is it safe to move tools to Labs", my experience so far
say "yes". I can't speak for all unique toolserver features, though.
Cheers,
Magnus
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Dr. Trigon wrote:
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> Hello DaB!
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> Could you pleas
Hello Dr. Trigon,
Am 10.08.2013 11:36, schrieb Dr. Trigon:
> Could you please give me a short update - the end of 2013 is
> approaching, what is the current state for TS resp. Labs?
The question seems to be a little bit to generic.
I can not speak for Labs, but the status of the Toolserver is mor
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Hello DaB!
Could you please give me a short update - the end of 2013 is
approaching, what is the current state for TS resp. Labs?
Thanks and Greetings
DrTrigon
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