You are off track. RMS has said no more, than enabling the computer to accept
a free software bios is a step towards a free software computer.
If issues stated on http://puri.sm/posts/bios-freedom-status/ find a free
software solution, will you then assess the computer being a free software
c
SOURCE: https://www.marc.info/?t=14224087831&r=1&w=2
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> http://phys.org/news/2015-01-high-end-upstream-linux-laptop-ship.html
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> "the first high-end laptop in the world that ships without mystery software
in t
Ubuntu is full of binary blobs so the hardware might not work with free
GNU/Linux distros. Apparently Dell is among vendors who implement a wifi
whitelist so if the wifi card doesn't work (a common problem) it might be
nigh impossible to fix it.
Maybe Dell could be one alternative with its a new laptop model:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/dell-offers-new-ubuntu-linux-workstation-laptop/
What about bios writes? That's a major security problem.
Librem 15 laptop is now crowd funded over 100%. It will become a reality.
https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-laptop
They have had some updates of the hardware. Now 15 different keyboards.
Asking about kill switches for camera, wifi, mic, usb, bluetooth.
https://www.crowdsupply.com/puris
:)
I wouldnt say that updating that they figured out something is actually
figuring out something.
They write about "run[ning] unsigned BIOS code". Chromebook and
Thinkpad users can easily do this by flashing a build of upstream
coreboot.
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They're making progress, and they figured out how to get rid of the signature
checking for the BIOS:
http://puri.sm/posts/pioneering-cpu-efforts-to-liberate-laptop-hardware/
I'm not really that familiar with whats happening in France. Essentially
people who care need to build new businesses to compete with those who
discard our freedoms, privacy, and rights in the name of profits. We
shouldn't try and fight with each other trying to do the same things. There
ar
The laptop now upgraded to support 32GB of ram but still the "upgraded" CPU
that cant be upgraded. And still numpad and still 16x9 screen.
https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-laptop/updates
For the last year or so I've been radical in the way i use my computer. I use
no google search, no flash, no gmail or any other big mail provider, I
configured my icecat and abrowser (and before that firefox on xubuntu) very
strictly in order to leave as less traces as possible. I never had a
We need to tackle these issues from a different perspective. We need to focus
on starting companies that respect users freedom. For example we need a
replacement for online news. I don't want to have to search YouTube in the
hopes of finding a video clip contained in an article. We have a sol
I'm not sure your understanding what I'm saying.
The companies designing x86 hardware are uncooperative and as such it is
highly unlikely we will be successful in producing a modern free software
friendly laptop. It'll be too difficult to overcome the issues these
companies have created eve
sasaki - do you really think that to those 1.2 billion facebook users a
concept like privacy (real life or digital) really means something?
I agree with you brother - the key is in information and education. But I
don't see great opportunities even there - I live in Italy and in my region
alm
I am a layperson about computers. I found out about the fsf approach to
computers. And that there is a gluglug.
I know that there must be reasons that there are no acceptable free hardware
notebooks. I would want to write open source hardware. To me it is good
enough if it can be verified t
I am a layperson about computers. I found out about the fsf approach to
computers. And that there is a gluglug, and nothing else.
I know that there must be reasons that there are no acceptable free hardware
notebooks. I would want to write open source hardware. To me it is good
enough if it
It's better than nothing- but regardless there is no perfect answer as
individuals we can't do much of anything. Certainly not more than when
resources are pooled together. It can also be difficult and impossible for
many to go it alone.
What about buying the parts and assembling a computer when we need one? I
have done that several times. That way we can keep as many as our
freedoms/rights as computer users as possible next to not using any computer
at all.
It's more complicated than that though. If you purchase a refurbished machine
you will likely actually be contributing to the increase in value and benefit
of the original purchaser and also directly increasing the profits of some of
these awful companies through means of licensing. I'll give
veleiro - the sad reality is that the vast majority of people doesn't give a
f..k about freedom and privacy (those two words for me signify one same thing
and are inseparable).
I mean look at how the world (didn't) changed after Edward Snowden - it's
been a year and a half now and if you ask
The only way to win is to not play the consumer game. Stop buying new
hardware from Intel, NVIDIA, AMD, and similar companies. Instead, buy
preowned hardware that works well with free software, or new hardware that is
made for free software. There's plenty of discarded good machines (years
I believe all hard disk drives contain non-free firmware. I think there is a
project working on free'ing a series of SSD drive firmware. I haven't looked
into it personally, but I know we've talked about it internally (@
ThinkPenguin) before. If anybody has more info on it I'd love to hear ab
Could you sell the mainboard?
on librem15's website is says
- hardware components, like the HD or SSD, that are flashable, and therefore
upgradeable, but that currently run firmware
are all hdds like that? You cannot get a hdd, that is open source or free
software?
I can read that part of the bios and initialization so
>Hoover they wouldn't do it if they thought they had >something to gain from
keeping it proprietary.
sad but true. money seems to be the only universal value today for a lot of
people, and it is actually going worse day to day - soon it will be the only
value for ALL the people. biatches ha
I watched the video the other day. He has a good sales pitch, but its nothing
more. He's implying 250 laptops will essentially be enough to force Intel to
release the code. This is non-sense. If they do it won't be the result of
force or pressure. $250,000 is nothing in the scheme of it. Even
The problem is there really aren't any good options right now...
It's a huge problem that a lot more time, energy, and money needs to go into
solving than is readily available.
Flash chips used for boot firmware usually have a "write protect" pin.
It might be possible to configure it to make only some regions
read-only, so e.g. information needed to support resume from suspend to
RAM can be written.
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Its not about "closed source" or "open source", these terms shouldnt even be
used here as the ignore the ethical facts of free software.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html
If you are targeting the free software movement for a device, you have to
realize that ther
I like that one guy has worked for trying to release a modern laptop with as
less closed source software as possible.
Good that Nvidia is gone. I think the new CPU alternative is for gaming
performance but it includes more "evil" technology for globalists/government
spying and control. I wo
I shouldn't have said useless, I just meant that the one doesn't solve the
other. As long as the BIOS can be written to, the potential for damage is
always there.
A hardware switch with a physical disconnect would be fine with me. I wonder
if someone could solder a jumper in there?
Of cours
If you want to listen in they're talking about about it in the video @ 37:05.
Glad to see the NVIDIA graphics are gone. What is with the CPU though? It
seems like a worse choice. The FCBGA1364 is not a socketed CPU so you can't
change it even. I'm also lost as to how one can change the spec mid-way
through a campaign. Doesn't that violate some sort of ethics and rules
Is it going to be business class (in which case High price isn't really a
deal breaker - I've got several old, broken ones at home I got for free and
can understand if they cost thousands of dollars when they were new)
Librem 15 laptop has now been updated.
https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-laptop/updates
NVIDIA graphics removed
Intel i7-4712MQ replaced with i7-4770HQ
Supports 16GB ram
Screen can be upgraded with 4k. 3840x2160
CPU upgraded because NVIDIA removed for better integrated graphics. Iris Pro
I suggest that both of you state your arguments on your own website and not
here on this forum.
This is not the right place for a marketing war.
I am amazed by how much time you spend in manipulating public opinion.
To be able to show people what are the lies and tricks in your message,
I have to take several hours to write the arguments and insert
references. Which is a lot for me, since I am not only running a more
ethical business, but
My understanding of the AMD line-up is that they too are shipping with
similar features so I wouldn't exactly suggest jumping to AMD. It would
probably be best to avoid x86 altogether, but it's not without its
difficulties.
Agreed.
Any specific Intel backdoors that you know to work without nonfree
software in the boot firmware flash?
I personally like boot firmware being in writable media: I fixed some
bugs and applied fixes done by others to the one in my laptop. If it
was readonly, the laptop wouldn't be useful without no
I'd rather see this with an AMD processor, and no UEFI. Free BIOS is
pointless since intel back-doors the CPU itself. In fact, BIOS should only
ever be on a read-only chip. Common-sense 2014
One last thing - If someone makes a laptop that has 100% open hardware -
nothing proprietary - no bios, no firmware, no cpu etc etc .. and above this
it has hardware specs that are decent (like a good 1000 bucks laptop you can
buy nowadays) then I will be very happy and willing to spend 2000
Today I tried trisquel 7.0 on two laptops at my friends' just out of
curiosity.
It worked perfectly on an Asus with intel graphics (can't remember the model
though) ,graphics,resolution,wifi .. all smooth and flawless.
The second laptop I tried - Acer Aspire 7740 (somehow I remembered to note
Gentlemen please. I wish you'd try to put aside your disagreements and
co-operate or at least live and let live. As you all know and the rest of us
can guess it takes a lot of work to try and liberate any piece of hardware. I
believe you're all working towards the same goal, each of you comin
You misunderstood what I was saying- or more likely (as I've already told you
about your misinterpretation of the communications) are deliberately making
me out to be a real jerk. While it is technically correct that I said
something to this effect without proper context your misleading peopl
I'm definitely agreeing here, but thought I should point out this can be
overstated too (the similarity) or taken the wrong way if your a typical
end-user looking for a laptop to use with free software.
While the chipsets do matter a lot there are other issues with determining if
a laptop i
The Librem is definitely not manufactured by Clevo. You can't necessarily
tell by looking at a unit which company manufactured it, but it's pretty
obvious in this case its not Clevo given the boundaries being worked within.
Looks like a Clevo laptop.
Good parts about the laptop:
- The effort of removing as much binary as possible (Coreboot)
- Looks like good hardware quality. In the area of Apple quality.
- Three USB ports.
- No VGA.
- No TXT, VT-d or vPro.
Questions:
- Matt or blank screen? Matt is better.
Fixes
Can someone help me understand why should I spend 2000 bucks on a laptop that
has non-free bios and non-free firmware?
Correct me if I'm wrong - can't I just look a bit around and find a very
decent 800 $ or less provided it has an intel graphics card and a freedom
friendly wireless card???
I
On 25.11.2014 17:06, t...@puri.sm wrote:
> ThinkPenguin post, take with a grain of salt, since they'd see anybody
> selling hardware as competition, not as furthering a movement. Time will
> tell...
After spreading FUD that allegedly I am reselling cheap adapters from
eBay or that allegedly I boug
ThinkPenguin post, take with a grain of salt, since they'd see anybody
selling hardware as competition, not as furthering a movement. Time will
tell...
25-11-2014 02:18:50 ch...@thinkpenguin.com:
> I think there are a lot of people in the free software
community with
> objections with the claims being made. My hands aren't
tied like some so
> I'll point out some of the other issues.
>
> 1. There have been numerous efforts to free laptops in the
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Hey Chris,
I enjoyed reading your perspective on this issue. I agree that project
like this is certainly a necessary one. However this specific project
may not be it.
Best,
Lev Lazinskiy
https://levlaz.org
On 11/24/2014 08:18 PM, ch...@thinkpenguin.
I think there are a lot of people in the free software community with
objections with the claims being made. My hands aren't tied like some so I'll
point out some of the other issues.
1. There have been numerous efforts to free laptops in the past with some
successes. It's not for a lack of
From what he claims to have right now there appears to be no difference
(well, maybe some, but it's in the opposite direction, he's using a design
that needs non-free graphics drivers to work properly). He is basically
saying he wants to free a laptop, but is not really capable of doing so,
I really don't think that this is a "win" for the free software community.
Nothing new or special has been done here. All "Purism" is doing is buying
laptop shells that everyone else on the planet could use, forking an already
wonderful free software distro and making claims that they are wor
I think it will be difficult to ask for financial support or full support
from the fsf/free software crowd just because the product's state right now
(along with the campaign for funding) is pushing free software in the future.
If you had already accomplished a free software machine in the p
It's valuable to Free software for sure. But I wouldnt call it a huge win
because Think Penguin, Los Alamos and a few other vendors were offering
Trisquel preinstalled services for a while.
On 24.11.2014 18:46, t...@puri.sm wrote:
> We offer two graphics cards, Intel Video, and nVidia 3D Controller. The
> Intel is freed, the nVidia 3D Controller, is optional, but uses the
> nouveou driver in the kernel, BUT the nVidia BIOS binary.
>
> We are seeking RYF, and have been working with th
I would like to add that installing Trisquel by default on a laptop is a HUGE
win for the movement, since most people use what they're given as default.
Since Trisquel promotes additional freedom supporting software by its
defaults, we have a wonderful combination!
Thetop squares of the
http://puri.sm/posts/purism-software-freedom-deconstructed/ picture are a bit
white, why is that?
And regarding the Nvidia card: Do you mean that the firmware runs on and is
stored in the card itself?
Well, it's smart to be cautious, since building trust is usually a game of
time. But to answer your concern, I, Todd Weaver, am behind it, you can see
from my past I enjoy fighting the status quo, and am excited to put that
effort into freeing hardware. We may get some FSF support prior to
It does come with the Intel FSP binary, and the optional nVidia GPU binary
(optional because you could use the Intel video).
We avoid any chips that are vPro, so no we do not use AMT.
We offer two graphics cards, Intel Video, and nVidia 3D Controller. The Intel
is freed, the nVidia 3D Controller, is optional, but uses the nouveou driver
in the kernel, BUT the nVidia BIOS binary.
We are seeking RYF, and have been working with the FSF and RMS to gain that.
The last issue f
Well that's good then. However I notice it has "anti-theft" whatever that
means.
"seems too good to be true."
I had that feeling myself.
Don't know what to make of it. Sounds good, feels bad for some reason.
> Purism claims the laptop's NVIDIA card fully works with the nouveau driver
And it's still got those freedom problems, like the Video BIOS. This wasn't
an issue for those ThinkPads that got the RYF certification because they
didn't use NVIDIA graphics. So the graphics are still non-free beca
Alright, soin comparison to Chris' computers, then?
> Purism will prioritize free/libre software for our users.
Sounds like it comes with proprietary stuff then...
> 4 Core (8 Threads) 2.3GHz Intel i7-4712MQ
I guess that means it comes with the AMT backdoor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_AMT
Oops! I just read the bottom of the CrowdSupply page, and it says the project
was started by a Todd Weaver, so I was mistaken when I said it's not obvious
who's behind it. It looks like he is the CEO of a Seattle-based company
called Ivi, Inc. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivi%2C_Inc.)
@jx
I wonder if this is even legit... It isn't obvious who's behind it, and it
seems too good to be true. I'd suggest being cautious.
I also noticed that section on DVD decryption in their FAQ
(http://puri.sm/faq/) seemed kind of familiar. It turns out that a couple of
paragraphs from the Enabl
I'm pretty sure the graphics are non-free. And why did they fork Trisquel
into Purism GNU/Linux? And why aren't they seeking FSF's RYF certification?
(Because it would not qualify, which is a good indicator of how "free" it
really is - It automatically fails the RYF criteria due to the propri
Wow, this is awesome! Thanks for sharing :)
On 23.11.2014 22:01, st...@openmailbox.org wrote:
> The Librem 15 will use a Trisquel based operating system.
Thank you for posting this here, I didn't know about this project!
> https://www.crowdsupply.com/pueyrism/librem-laptop
>
> Sounds pretty good, but I don't know...
They say (in section
The Librem 15 will use a Trisquel based operating system.
https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-laptop
Sounds pretty good, but I don't know...
Haven't seen it mentioned here so I thought I would post something.
Do the sponsors of this not hang around here? Strange they mention Trisquel
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