> Under those circumstances, i don't expect the flashing process to become
significantly easier in the near future.
I think this is the root of the problem: flashing theses newer laptops are
way harder that it used to be with i945 based laptop(Lenovo X60, X60s, X60T,
T60).
As I understand,
i know your question is about freedom, but keep in mind the following:
SSDs can withstand more shock from falls/damage
SSDs don't overheat the system as quickly...
SSDs use 1/4 to 1/3 less battery life
SSDs are much faster on boot
As for hard drives the only advantage is they can last 10 years
Short question regarding the Libreboot X200: does the refurbished laptop come
with a new keyboard/touchpad and a new battery installed?
Francis did say it was temporary...
I have just placed an order :-)
This isn't technically against the community guidelines, but I
apologise in advance for the propaganda.
> Anarcho-capitalism is the only true form of anarchism
This is an utterly baseless assertion. "Anarcho-capitalism" is in fact
a recent development, and it comes from an entirely different
I've been a silent reader for a long time and I just registered to be able to
respond to your post.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion but you've been repeating yourself
time and again. I don't understand what you are trying to achieve?
Why don't you buy one of those cheap laptops on
I don't use Javascript so nothing is hidden for me. But that wasn't the point
I was trying to make.
Yes, you can repeat your opinion as often as you like. A little boring in the
long run...but do as you like.
Regarding the price, if you find it so, please start a company of your own
and sell cheaper free hardware and everybody will win. No? Then shut up.
Also, did you miss where Fchmmr said "Also to curb demand a little bit." He
is not your slave.
I don't know Francis but I know what he's been working on and what he's
accomplished. And what he's accomplished is much much more important that
what Chris (with all due respect) has done so far. I think Francis' work is
the most important work being done right now. We have plenty of
Thanks for the welcome. Just to be clear my post was an answer to
quantumgravity's post as well.
I don't think that this topic is something one should be so agitated about.
The price is high but reasons have been given and explained.
I was just answering the quantumgravity's post.
Джордж: the price of those laptops is overly high. That is a fact.
Welcome to the community!
lembas:
>Then shut up.
No.. The price of those laptops is indeed very very high. I have the right to
express my opinion. I won't shut up. Who are
If you're the only person selling sunscreen in the desert and there is high
demand for your product then you should charge as much as you can possibly
get for it.
Those high profits will inspire more people to start selling sunscreen in the
desert.
If there is no decent incentive for the
I second that, I am though curious, where is this anger coming from?
shouldn't we be grateful someone is doing this hard work at all? we should
thank francis for making this all possible. :)
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 18:29:06 +0100 (CET), elking...@dailyanarchist.com wrote:
> If you're the only person selling sunscreen in the desert and there is high
> demand for your product then you should charge as much as you can possibly
> get for it.
I thought you were joking here. Then I
By the way, you can use the coupon code "fsfgivingguide" on the site during
checket and get 100 EUR off the standard price, for all computers on
Minifree. This code is active until 31 January 2016. With each sale made
during this period, Minifree will donate 20 EUR to the FSF.
More
Even if one company charges "high" prices for libre computers, it will not
diminish the demand for such computers. You either want one or you don't. The
question is at what price.
As far as sacrificing short term gain for long term profit, isn't that was
this thread is about, in essence?
> Extremely high are the words you've been looking for I guess..
> If you are in the United Swines of AMurica
The United Snakes of AmeriKKKa are the words you've been looking for I guess..
> but it here ->
> https://shop.libiquity.com/product/taurinus-x200
I will but it there ;)
Even though I
Criticism of Francis' pricing is completely off base.
I flashed Libreboot onto a X200 and a T400 based on the documentation that he
had on the Libreboot website. The documentation is excellent, detailed, has
pictures... I could say that possibly the photos could use a higher
resolution
Yay!
First of all, I flashed libreboot on my x60 tablet myself.
Second it could be, that there are security measures to prevent the flashing
of alternative firmware.
"rather high" :)
Extremely high are the words you've been looking for I guess..
If you are in the United Swines of AMurica but it here ->
https://shop.libiquity.com/product/taurinus-x200
> 90 thousand (USD), actually. For this board:
http://libreboot.org/docs/hcl/kgpe-d16.html - that also pays for another
board (ATX, desktop) that Timothy is now working on, which I hope to have
ready before years end.
And now here's me putting one's money where one's mouth is:
That price is rather high,but I like the sound of ATX motherboard
> You're accusing the maintainer of a firmware distribution – a
distribution which has stable releases, thorough documentation, and
utilities, all for the express purpose of making installation as easy as
possible – of intentionally making the installation process difficult for
his own
I tried to join forces with someone else who was making the same thing but
with Coreboot, but for some reason they stopped answering my emails and so I
didn’t continue.
Also the code I was writing at the time was unbelievably messy and
repetitive.
just look:
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I think that you were actually working on a program to make it easier to
flash libreboot, am I right tom? How did that work out?
There are people with enough much money that can afford transferring them to
the Ministry of Freedom. For this reason it's good if Francis still manages
to sell the laptops after a price rise. You should only know how much time
and money Francis puts into his project. For example, he paid
> For example, he paid something like 30 000 euros to another developer for
porting just one server board to coreboot. He simply needs to cover his
costs.
90 thousand (USD), actually.
Yes, the price rise on the site is to cover future costs. Also to curb demand
a little bit. I had huge
"You should only know how much time and money Francis puts into his project.
For example, he paid something like 30 000 euros to another developer for
porting just one server board to coreboot. He simply needs to cover his
costs."
That it is.
Anyway, if you don't have money. Buy some used x60 or t60(INTEL GPU). Not as
good as t400 or x200, but it works very well, quiet, libre. Refurbish it
yourself (and clean it indise, clean the fan and heatpipe, put new thermal
paste), then flash it. It can take much time to do.
You are wonderful!
I think that people who don't have money to buy a ready librebooted laptop,
it is a good idea donate some money to the project, cuz anyone has 10-20€.
I think that it is not bad idea to make some easy way to donate through
paypal, bitcoin...
Thank you very much for clarifying the situation.
I'm very happy to see that further development on the ASUS KGPE-D16 is being
made and I can only wish your success for future projects because having a
free bios is very important and having such powerful motherboard on our side
is fresh
"Nobody would cut the branch he's currently sitting on, right?"
Libreboot is free software so the worse Francis can do is not try to make the
flashing process easier there is nothing at all stopping someone else adding
a feature to make Libreboot easier to flash
also currently the main
You're accusing the maintainer of a firmware distribution – a distribution
which has stable releases, thorough documentation, and utilities, all for the
express purpose of making installation as easy as possible – of
intentionally making the installation process difficult for his own
Here we have something extremely rare and precious nowadays: a guy who is not
afraid to state openly, clearly and sincerely his opinion. That is something
that I personally value and appreciate a lot quantumgravity :)
>If you're the only guy selling sunscreen in the dessert, you should maybe
>but it's actually at the level it was at a few months ago
6 months ago the cost of the X200 was 440 euros. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyway 600 bucks is way to much.
I respect your job so much that I voted you as fs mug of the year, so don't
get me wrong: 600 bucks for that laptop is
well, I have expressed a similar opinion many times before here in the
forum. I remember when you could get a thinkpad (x60 i believe) from gluglug
at 100€ or so. Good times, should have gotten one back then.
That being said, I understand that this project is hard to maintain and
sustain,
Most x200's I've found in good condition are around 100 USD online (93 Euros.
Most of them don't even come with a battery, charger, or HDD)-- on top of
that, I'm sure it takes time and effort to flash (one provider offers a flash
service for about 65 Euros if memory serves), and the little
I have noticied a very odd thing happening in the Minifree.org website.
Until a couple of days ago X200 was priced starting from 398 Euros and it was
out of stock.
Today X200 is priced starting from 598 Euros and is available again.
200 Euros more?! Are you kiddin'?
I can think just of two
why they deservePrice is not about what something deserves to be priced at.
It's about supply and demand.
I don't think they're running low on supply so this is very good news.
The installation service is about 200 to 300€.
If you feel like installing it (you'll need patience and reading), provided
you'd need to spend for a BBB and a few other items,
and provided you can use memory and HDD you already own, you can make some
good savings.
I know that next time,
I wish I could SuperTramp83!
I live in Italy and those guys deliver US only!
Cheers
vpincini: You are right. I'm not gonna buy it either. Buy it here (450
nueros) -> https://shop.libiquity.com/product/taurinus-x200
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