Is Enlightenment free software? I forget if it was a distribution I was
looking at once which had it that wasn't free or the desktop environment or
both. About all I recall was it sure looked pretty from the scree shots.
Yeah, that seems crazy* but people do that. The all rights reserved is
redundant, as it is the default in any case. So just read what the license
says.
*as in Schödinger's cat
Actually I was thinking it was a distribution which was writing custom
proprietary code... I think the distribution might have been doing just that
although it may not have been Enlightenment which was.
What about llvmpipe? Is that free software? I heard that with 12.10 that they
are trying to get rid of Unity 2D and have standard Unity work without
accelleration by using llvmpipe.
Regarding the next LTS, I think we should do what Ultimate Edition did and
make it a jampacked release with many different desktop environments to
choose from. KDE/Gnome3/MATE/Razor-QT/XFCE/LXDE/S3D, etc.
I hadn't had a look at MATE. I think it looks quite interesting, certainly
more
The reasoning behind putting the Unity launcher on the side is that vertical
screen real estate is at a premium in modern displays, which are much wider
than longer. It seems logical to me, therefore, to put the launcher on the
side and I have got used to it there without much effort.
Rubén actually did that already with Trisquel 5.5. I think it was a hack of
Gnome pieces though for the fallback. I'm not involved in the development
aspect of Trisquel and haven't done development really for a long time (well,
I occasionally file bug reports, and work on customising a
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On 06/30/2012 06:39 AM, ch...@thinkpenguin.com wrote:
Rubén actually did that already with Trisquel 5.5. I think it was a hack of
Gnome pieces though for the
fallback. I'm not involved in the development aspect of Trisquel and
haven't done
Ruben didn't include Unity with the 5.5 ISO and when we tried to install it
manually, it would not show up in LightDM or GDM selections. Kinda odd and
when someone of us asked for a fix, there were crickets.
I do know what you mean though by including both Unity 2D and Unity 3D with
the
I'm 43 and Fluxbox makes me coo like a baby. It it were only copyleft it
would be perfect. Not that it would be appropriate for the default. ...but I
digress.
I just remembered something that I believe Rubén said (I'm not sure who else
I might have talked to about this issue, and this would have been a while
back). Basically I think the issue with Unity is not a freedom issue. It's
got to do with tracking/privacy. Unity or at least Ubuntu is well
If that was referring to my comment I'll repeat the part about the future.
The last I checked even recycling centers which refurbish systems with
GNU/Linux for kids / and other organisations are not taking systems that
terribly old. I'd think it could easily be done with 3d acceleration as
Unity is not non-free. The problem is most users have NVidia/ATI graphics and
the free drivers don't have any/good enough 3d acceleration for it. You
should be able to run Unity with Intel graphics though and free drivers since
they have 3d acceleration support.
While I'm not saying MATE
Unity 2D can be installed standalone and the user wouldn't be forced to have
potentially non free video drivers. That is why the push for the
trisquel-unity package would stick.to the 2D version only with the necessary
theme tweaks.
Cartier from orchid Focused orchid flowering through Cartier cartier empire
is necessary; When you consider that Replica Watches
familiar quite a lot of preferences end up being the cartier fashion stories
Cartier gem stones creator memento. In relation to drive over the Orchid
senior
I think the next lts should have fallback as default, with unity 2d,
unity 3d, and shell available. Maybe the installer can be made such
that it offers to install these other desktops and set one as default
for the installed system and user?
-Dave
On 06/27/2012 07:38 PM,
Why so much hate for Gnome 3?
Mostly because Gnome 3 requires 3D acceleration which is not available on all
hardware with free software. The fallback mode is lacking in features.
I'll download Linux Mint, give it a try
Mint comes with proprietary software, ''caveat emptor''.
Unity is absolutely not acceptable, since it is proprietary
I do not believe this to be true, firstly the Wikipedia page for Unity states
that is uses these licenses:
GNU General Public License (GPLv3), GNU Lesser General Public License
(LGPLv3)
Some developers are paid to work on Unity,
Some developers are paid to work on Unity, which if I remember correctly
Stallman encourages developers getting paid as long as the resulting code is
free software.
Certainly true. Stated e.g. at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
According to launchpad, unity is released under GNU GPL v3 and GNU LGPL v3
licenses, so it's free software.
https://launchpad.net/unity
Some discussion and suggestion regarding the next release, which I assume
will be an LTS based on 12.04
Rather than using Gnome 3, I think Trisquel should move towards the most
stable and usable MATE desktop environment, similar to Linux Mint's latest
release. Anybody else agree?
What advantage would Mate offer that Gnome does not?
-Dave H.
On 06/25/2012 04:27 PM, johannesdesilenti...@gmail.com wrote:
Rather than using Gnome 3, I think Trisquel should move towards the most
stable and usable MATE desktop environment, similar to Linux Mint's
latest release.
On 06/25/2012 04:27 PM, johannesdesilenti...@gmail.com wrote:
Some discussion and suggestion regarding the next release, which I
assume will be an LTS based on 12.04
Rather than using Gnome 3, I think Trisquel should move towards the
most stable and usable MATE desktop environment,
MATE = Gnome 2.32 sources renamed.
I'm in. :-)
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
On 06/25/2012 06:09 PM, ste...@mulleady.net wrote:
MATE = Gnome 2.32 sources renamed.
Honestly though, we're at the point where all free drivers can do 3d
acceleration. I haven't come across any free driver that could not yet.
Nevertheless, Gnome 3 and its shell interface is counterintuitive and hides
EVERY single customization option, something that Gnome 2 was outstanding
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In Brigantia I did not choose Gnome 3 neither Trisquel-Mini but rather
the nice and stable XFCE and I´m as happy as I can be.
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I think you are mistaken, MATE does have very vibrant and development and
does have active updates, yes all the programs will stay the same feature
wise, but why fix what isn't broke?
And Linux Mint does ship with MATE as default, in fact they RECOMMEND it and
do active development on it.
Robert,
Didn't know such a thing was possible! Will try XFCE.
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
On 06/25/2012 06:28 PM, Roberto Rodríguez wrote:
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In Brigantia I did not choose Gnome 3 neither Trisquel-Mini but rather
the nice and stable XFCE and I´m
I have an AMD card in my Elitebook, works fine out of the box when I used
Linux mint for 3d acceleration. Why single out AMD when they actually relase
hardware specifications to the community, unlike NVIDIA?
I don't think AMD released all their hardware specs. Their drivers are
still proprietary.
Trisquel 5.x will not use the card in my Toshiba notebook in native
resolutions (1600 x 1200). It will only boot up in something like 1280
x 960. Trisquel 5.x does use the motherboard-card on my
I like Gnome 3 and wish that Gnome-shell was the default for Trisquel. There
are still a few issues with Gnome-shell, but over all I like it and find it
very usable.
Why so much hate for Gnome 3?
Good question!
I don't see any problems with Gnome 3's classic or shell mode, and
switch between the two often.
-Dave H.
On 06/25/2012 08:17 PM, daemo...@orcon.net.nz wrote:
Why so much hate for Gnome 3?
I for one love Gnome-Shell and use it in Trisquel. Trisquel's approach of
'fallback' and 'shell if your computer can handle it' is a good one IMO and
should continue.
I don't know the difference between Gnome 2, Gnome 3 and Gnome shell, or
Mate. I am familiar with Unity, on Ubuntu 12.04. A lot of work went into it.
I think we should stick with what is released in Ubuntu and reap the benefit
of all the development work that goes on there.
Unity is fine
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