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I was going to write a full testing report of triskel but unfortunately I'm
not getting enough time.
I've just downloaded and installed Trisquel 5 on a Dell Dimension 1100
computer. The installer works fine but when the newly installed OS boots, the
desktop icons, taskbar panel and menus appear partially, then disappear when
clicked. The desktop background image is stable. However the
Is the 6 September ISO a final version? I noticed it's not got the date in
the file name.
This file is not the first one to bear the simpler name
trisquel_5.0_amd64.iso.
Should be a daily image, takes several days so
Le dimanche 21 août 2011 à 19:05 -0400, james walton a écrit :
Does this version have accessibility in the 64bit image?
I was not sure if this question was related to my previous mail or a general
question about the .iso images in general.
My anwser is : I don't know, I just picked the .iso and
Le mardi 19 juillet 2011 à 21:44 +0200, Rubén Rodríguez a écrit :
The first development release for Trisquel GNU/Linux 5.0 STS, codename
Dagda, is now ready for testing. All the artwork comes from the 4.5
release unmodified, so it qualifies as an alpha release.
[...]
Please list bugs and
Ok well here is my take.
Yes, keeping costs low isn't the best reason to use free software (the
freedom is) but it is a nice benefit. I could see it being attractive if you
had a business to run.
If the program was internal (for the company) and not distributed it wouldn't
be
I have tried to install flashvideoreplacer via the trisquel addons site, it
installs but does nothing nor the icon appears on the right of the screen. It
is listed as installed in Tools - Addons. Same happens for CookieSafe.
Haven't tried with others though.
I understand the money is in the services. I've been developing for the web
for over a decade now and much of my income comes from PHP and JavaScript
development. I have felt liberated in the past 6 months by no longer using
Adobe based programs inside a Windows environment. I have the right
Free software needs to have source code available because without it, users
can't modify the software for their needs, or even verify that it does what
it's supposed to do.
Also, unarchiver is missing but the Slaine version works fine.
Actually most licenses don't require you to give the source code to the
public. It can also be very beneficial for companies to use Free software.
Lets say I am running a supermarket or shop. And lets say I use open bravo
(POS cash register software that is GPL). So lets say your
I followed much of this discussion, which I find interesting.
To me, the gap between free software and proprietary software is indeed
related to the way humanity acts.
Originally, I think copyright and intellectual property fit their job :
protect authors from being spoiled. Today, in many
Talking about money to justify Free software is missing its point. Users of
Free softwares (they say open-source softwares) who only see its technical
benefits are missing the point too. These users (e.g., most Ubuntu users) may
switch back to proprietary softwares as soon as there are
Sorry if I seemed to miss the point.
I realize I didn't talk about giving to the community for the sake of giving
away. I was a bit focused to address the question regarding the economics.
I mostly share a close view as many of you since I wholeheartly believe in
Free Software as you mean
You wrote: Sorry if I seemed to miss the point. I realize I didn't talk
about giving to the community for the sake of giving away.
But that is not the point either. The point is: the user should never be
denied the fundamental freedoms that Free softwares grant.
This can be compared with
Ok, so it seems we don't see things exactly the same way, then.
And it's good too :)
I agree with your definition of free software, this is it !
However, the freedoms free software grants has implications and consequences
in themselves, which generate discussions like this one...
To me, all
So let us have this scenario:
I decide to provide computers for a small office and want to keep costs low
so I install a LTS of Trisquel and free software programs from its repos to
get things going. I may also provide a repository on my end that tweaks some
things in their desktops to
Here is my take on your question.
First of all keeping cost low really is not the best reason to use Free
softwares. Controlling one's own computing (having the four freedoms defining
Free software) is. It is worth educating the client about that.
You talk about creating something
I've seen BSD licences in popular software, but the main apparently it isn't
approved but the modified is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FSF_approved_software_licenses
Probably a silly question, but you can mix in match GPL, BSD, and MIT
licenses on a primarily FSF created operating
Sure you can. The software in Trisquel's repositories comes under many
different licenses, not just the GPL.
Also, if you have questions about the GPL (which is understandable, it's a
pretty complicated license, after all), you might want to check out
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html. They have answers to a lot of
common questions about the GPL.
I actually believe the most common (and most recent) BSD license is the
2-clause one.
Just to complement akirashinigami's response:
* if you were thinking about the copyleft (in particular in the GPL), it only
applies to derivative work. Juxtaposing softwares on a CD or in a repository
is
I don't think you do. The difference between free and proprietary software
isn't about money, or jobs, or donations. It's about whether or not users
are allowed to modify and/or redistribute the software.
Free software requires donations and does not supply many jobs to people just
because it is the underdog right now. There is a business model that is
perfectly compatible with free software and few companies are actually
applying it. But as long we have those huge mega corporations that are
Indeed, you do not understand what is Free software. Here is the common
definition and the rationale behind it:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
I believe you do not understand much what is the IT job market either. Most
of these workers are either people:
* with one single
On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 20:52 +0200, akirashinig...@gmail.com wrote:
The URL in that screenshot doesn't even say https://, though.
None the less disabling the https-everywhere plugin solves the issue,
enabling it brings the problem back. It's the only variable that is
being changed. It seems
None the less disabling the https-everywhere plugin solves the issue,
enabling it brings the problem back. It's the only variable that is
being changed. It seems reasonable to conclude that it is causing the
problem.
Just disabling Google Services ruleset for HTTPEverywhere should solve
it.
I saw no error message, simply couldn't load it until I disabled
https-everywhere and removed the s from the https which had been
automatically inserted. It seems that https-everywhere just naively tries to
use https absolutely everywhere, and this causes problems.
It also seems to make it
It seems that https-everywhere just naively
tries to use https absolutely everywhere, and this causes problems.
It tries using it on specific sites where its contributors checked it.
It has settings for disabling its rulesets, to e.g. not use it for
Google Search.
It also seems to make it
Obviously it's a network problem. It is after all China, and the government
make it hard to reach certain websites, or reach them in certain ways.
I still think it should not be included by default. People who want it and
understand what it does can install it.
Another annoyance, the GNU gnuzilla privacy add-on seems to cause problems
with me switching to English google. That's annoying.
I've had issues with that addon too. I think it's not ready for Icecat 4.0+.
Does this IceCat use the Trisquel addon site or GNU's addon site?
It uses Trisquel's addon site.
That 1% is generally for Flash (I watch a lot of online videos) and Sun Java
which has better performance than OpenJDK when I use Eclipse for programming.
It would be great to not use Flash, but Gnash is still rough around the edges
and I may give OpenJDK another try down the road. Some Java
I have not heard about RMS being communist for long time. It is simply wrong.
For example, the Freedoms of Free softwares includes the ability to change
the software (e.g., to fix a bug) and redistribute the improved version. In a
proprietary world, the user has no choice but to beg the
I do not appreciate your remarks, and I'm sure several others are hurt by
them too. The free software movement was started in the 1980s by Richard
Stallman, with the goal of creating a world of software that would give its
users full command and control over their computing experience. His
2011/7/27 adrian.malac...@member.fsf.org
I do not appreciate your remarks, and I'm sure several others are hurt by
them too. The free software movement was started in the 1980s by Richard
Stallman, with the goal of creating a world of software that would give its
users full command and
I think you slightly misunderstood my resolution. I do want to use this OS
and it will probably be the one that's installed on my main development
machine when 5.0 comes out. I'm willing to swap out my wireless card and
embrace what Trisquel offers.
I do understand the difference between
I'm thinking that for home use, Ubuntu may still be the way to go because I
would want to use a wireless card and an Ati/Nvidia video card and not get
the feeling that I am going back in time by using Trisquel. The traditional
desktop is considered to be on its death bed with the smartphone
You don't need to compile anything. Compiling or no compiling your
wireless card still won't work with in a free system. You can use AMD
and Nvidia video cards, but without 3D acceleration. Ubuntu will indeed
give you more convenience immediately, and will be a preferred choice,
if you don't
Obviously, nobody wants non-functional hardware. That is why we choose the
hardware in consequence (and not the opposite: choosing the OS in consequence
of the hardware). That is also why we encourage the constructor to release
Free drivers and why some of us actually code drivers. In fact,
Your first sentence has some issues with it. I am currently using a wireless
card (Netgear WG111v2) with Trisquel and an Nvidia video card. There are
many wirless cards
(http://www.h-node.com/wifi/catalogue/en/1/1/undef/undef/yes/undef/undef) and
video cards with 3d
Unfortunately, most people choose their hardware before they become aware of
issues of software freedom.
Mampir,
I got this wireless dongle a few years ago from a friend and it worked fine
in Windows XP and when I eventually switched over to Linux, I wanted to keep
what I paid for instead of having to rebuy it.
I do understand you have your viewpoints and I have mine, but your mentality
is
Ok a few points that came to mind for me.
1) No one can make the choice to have you rebuy a piece of hardware for you.
However all we can tell you is at this point in time you won't get your
current piece of hardware without some non-free software. If you choose to
rebuy or install that
I noticed your edit after my previous post.
I'm sure Ruben (et al.) appreciates that compliment about how nice the distro
looks. If you use Free Software for 99% of your activities we can support
you with those. Unfortunately for that other 1% we can't be of much help
because our nature
I noticed Midori and MPlayer are missing in 5.0. Can Midori simply be
installed from PPA or does it recommend non-free software which require
repackaging it?
Also Firefox crashes on the live CD when talking to a friend via Pidgin.
Epiphany works though (and Midori is missing).
El 22/07/11 18:07, Daemonax escribió:
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 12:37 -0500, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote:
El 22/07/11 09:48, alonivt...@gmail.com escribió:
My friend's i7 seems to work (Compiz and 2D work) but it isn't as
smooth as my netbook. I guess I'll need to add a PPA of the latest
Intel drivers
Maybe I should clarify: what I wanted to do was to add a PPA
(https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa) and write aptitude
upgrade in the terminal in case the driver provided there is newer. I did
not mean that I would install proprietary drivers and am sorry if I was
misunderstood.
On the topic of mplayer, does the standard one work with split mkv files
yet? I've been using this fork of mplayer for sometime now.
http://repo.or.cz/w/mplayer-build.git
It supports split mkv files, and has other improvements such as not
unpausing videos if you switch from fullscreen to windowed
My friend's i7 seems to work (Compiz and 2D work) but it isn't as smooth as
my netbook. I guess I'll need to add a PPA of the latest Intel drivers to fix
it.
El 22/07/11 09:48, alonivt...@gmail.com escribió:
My friend's i7 seems to work (Compiz and 2D work) but it isn't as
smooth as my netbook. I guess I'll need to add a PPA of the latest
Intel drivers to fix it.
That is as good as not using free software. Are you willing to give up
freedom?
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 12:37 -0500, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote:
El 22/07/11 09:48, alonivt...@gmail.com escribió:
My friend's i7 seems to work (Compiz and 2D work) but it isn't as
smooth as my netbook. I guess I'll need to add a PPA of the latest
Intel drivers to fix it.
That is as good
I have an RT2870 based wireless card that works natively in Ubuntu 11.04 and
Debian testing. When I load the live CD, I get a warning about the rt2800usb
driver missing. When I do an iwconfig in the terminal, it sees that it is
there for wlan0 even though there is no RT2870.bin in
Run this command:
dmesg | grep DEBLOBBED
If you get anything back, then that particular driver requires non-free
firmware that has been removed in the Linux Libre kernel.
Mozilla allows its trademarks to be used only for unchanged official
binaries which it defines as the installer files available from
mozilla.com/mozilla.org. Any modification beyond that requires explicit
approval from Mozilla to use the trademarks. The Trisquel version might not
have
El jue, 21-07-2011 a las 08:11 +0200, adrian.malacoda escribió:
[...]
To me, this is unclear as to whether it refers to specifically distributing
the Mozilla program by itself for a fee, or distributing the software at all
for a fee. The widest possible interpretation of this paragraph
Furthermore, according to this policy,
If you are using the Mozilla Mark(s) for the unaltered binaries you
are distributing, you may not charge for that product.
Ok, I missed this point when I read the policy, but form my POV that
makes Firefox non-free software. By now we were modifying it
I just used the link from Distrowatch for the 64 bit image and had no issues.
checksum matched. I'm gonna have a new OS to test on my new Intel 320 120GB
SSD...Provided I'm not one of the ones hit with the data loss bug they've
been having. Oh well, it's alpha software and Intel has vowed to
El 20/07/11 00:44, alonivt...@gmail.com escribió:
The link is dead but was working earlier so I only got 100 MB (I
wanted to finish in the morning instead of keeping the computer on) :(
Check http://devel.trisquel.info/dagda/iso/old
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I was under the impression that the next Ubuntu lts was going to be 12.04. Is
trisquel forking from Ubuntu?
I noticed that the browser is called Firefox on Trisquel 5.0. Will it be
renamed to Web Browser?
How can I disable Compiz in Trisquel 5.0? I could not find desktop effects in
System-Preferences-Appearance. By the way everything seems to work on my
Asus 1001PX EeePC (wireless, ethernet, Compiz, camera) but this isn't
surprising as it works on Trisquel 4.0 after updates as well.
El mié, 20-07-2011 a las 18:13 +0200, alonivtsan escribió:
I noticed that the browser is called Firefox on Trisquel 5.0. Will it be
renamed to Web Browser?
AFAIK no, it will be Firefox.
As always on Trisquel it won't recommend non-free software.
--
Luis A. Guzmán García
¡Se Libre! --
I was under the impression that the next Ubuntu lts was going to be
12.04. Is trisquel forking from Ubuntu?
No, that was a typo, this is an STS edition. Sorry about that.
How can I disable Compiz in Trisquel 5.0?
You are right, the selector is missing. I add that to the task list.
I wonder where this impression comes from. Trisquel 5.0 will be based on
the last Ubuntu release (11.04 Natty Narwhal) and the next Ubuntu release
(11.10 Oneiric Ocelot) will be released in October this year (as usual). In
fact the Alpha 2 version of this release was published less than two
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 20:29:35 +0200 (CEST), magicban...@gmail.com wrote:
I wonder where this impression comes from. Trisquel 5.0 will be based
on
On identi.ca there was a message saying that alpha version of LTS was
released, but it was a typo.
Dagda is a STS release.
12.04 will be the next
The thread title has a mistake; it should say STS.
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 20:36:50 +0200 (CEST), akirashinig...@gmail.com wrote:
The thread title has a mistake; it should say STS.
Also that :P
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http://ark.switnet.org
¡Se Libre! -- http://fsfla.org/selibre/
The Hardware Database Project -- http://www.h-node.com
Yeah, I'm too lazy to hit the shift key. But it makes more sense now, thanks.
Can we even do that? Wouldn't that be violating Mozilla's trademarks? Plus
IIRC the official Firefox branding itself (the logo and associated graphics)
is non-free, and we can't use the Firefox name without the logo.
The first development release for Trisquel GNU/Linux 5.0 STS, codename
Dagda, is now ready for testing. All the artwork comes from the 4.5
release unmodified, so it qualifies as an alpha release.
The files can be downloaded from here:
Hello,
first of all cool news, I'm glad to hear it started and it is closer.
I was wondering, is there a way to add encrypted LVM as an option in the GUI
installer for this or any future releases ? At this time, from what I'm aware
this option is only available from the netinstall cd. I
Awesome! Hopefully I can get my friend's sandy bridge to work.
The files can be downloaded from here:
http://devel.trisquel.info/dagda/iso/trisquel_5.0-20110719_amd64.iso
http://devel.trisquel.info/dagda/iso/trisquel_5.0-20110719_amd64.iso.md5
http://devel.trisquel.info/dagda/iso/trisquel_5.0-20110719_i686.iso
I was wondering, is there a way to add encrypted LVM as an option in
the GUI installer for this or any future releases ? At this time,
from what I'm aware this option is only available from the netinstall
cd. I don't mind the CLI install but the net dependency can be a
rather big
The link is dead but was working earlier so I only got 100 MB (I wanted to
finish in the morning instead of keeping the computer on) :(
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