[TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-25 Thread Terry Clifton
Listen carefully brothers and sisters, and I will try one more time. All the words in the Bible do not apply to every Bible reader!  Before you stone me for that outrageous statement, please look at Leviticus, the book of the Law.  Go to the last chapter, then down to the last verse. (27:34)

RE: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Terry,     Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. (Gal 3:7)  And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal 3:29)  That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, and of the same body, and partakers o

[TruthTalk] I Cor:13 on Christmas

2002-12-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
  First Corinthians 13, Christmas Version  If I decorate my house perfectly with plaid bows, strands of twinkling lights and shining balls, but do not show love to my family, I'm just another decorator. If I slave away in the kitchen, baking dozens of Christmas cookies, preparing gour

RE: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-25 Thread Terry Clifton
Naw, I'm not testy.  I am really a pussycat.  I just get frustrated that I do not have the ability to help people see the truth. Go ahead and take Saturday off.   Terry  ---Original Message---   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 08:43:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines

2002-12-25 Thread Dave
DAVEH:   MarlinI am having trouble with this link to the dictionary.  Does it work properly for you? Marlin Halverson wrote: >   > http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary > > --Marlin -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~   -- "L

Re: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-25 Thread Charles P. Locke
Terry, and others, I have an interesting book called "The Seven Laws of Noah" (second edition, by Aaron Lichtenstein, The Rabbi Jacob Joseph School Press, NY, 1981). The book presents ancient Talmudic evidence for a body of law that was delivered to Noah, thus predating the Mosaic law. When t

RE: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
I appreciate your permission. J Izzy   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 8:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Law   Naw, I'm not testy.  I am really

Re: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines

2002-12-25 Thread Marlin Halverson
Try this one and enter the word. http://www.m-w.com/home.htm I captured that address after the word was entered. - Original Message - From: "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines > DAVEH

[TruthTalk] Imagine!

2002-12-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Imagine: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21145 Izzy -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an e

[TruthTalk] Russian believers ban Christmas tree

2002-12-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Russian believers ban Christmas tree: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2002/12/25/003.html#top Izzy -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to

Re: [TruthTalk] Imagine!

2002-12-25 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 12/25/2002 11:59:29 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21145 Izzy   That was a great article - thanks for sharing.  Laura

[TruthTalk] Perhaps Jesus was born on Dec 25

2002-12-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Perhaps Jesus WAS born on Dec. 25: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30176 Izzy -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts

Re: [TruthTalk] Perhaps Jesus was born on Dec 25

2002-12-25 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: > Perhaps Jesus WAS born on Dec. 25: > http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30176 See also the following article, sent to me privately by Glenn about 4 days ago. http://www.bib-arch.org/bswb_BR/bswbbr1806feat3.html Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida US

Re: [TruthTalk] Legalism and Grace

2002-12-25 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: > Marlin, I would love to hear what you think > of this passage. Do you believe that the letter > kills? Does this equate with the idea that legalism > kills? Marlin wrote: > No. Our breaking of God's law kills. > That is how the letter killeth. Ok, sure, breaking of God's

Re: [TruthTalk] once saved, always saved/g's 02 christmas message

2002-12-25 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: > when are you gonna *pull out*? Pull out? Pull out of what? Judaism? I've never practiced Judaism, so how can I pull out of it? Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida USA -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how

Re: [TruthTalk] The relationship between Torah observance and eternal life.

2002-12-25 Thread David Miller
Marlin wrote: > Gentiles should keep the commandments. Those > commandments pertaining to the priesthood that > existed in the loins of Abraham in his encounter > with Melchisedec have been transformed because > we have a new high priest, Jesus. Circumcision > was required for Gentiles who wanted

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin & Christian Perfection

2002-12-25 Thread Dave
  David Miller wrote: > Glenn wrote: > > Judas and the cross are the same thing? > > DAVEH: > > Nopebut they both contributed to the end > > result.  Yet one is revered, and the other despised. > > Dave, a huge difference is that the cross represents Christ's love. DAVEH:  To me it seems

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin & Christian Perfection

2002-12-25 Thread Dave
  David Miller wrote: > DAVEH: > > Would you be so kind as to elaborate just a little > > more on the meaning of "substance" as used here. > > Thanx. > > The web site Marlin referred us to says that the substance is love.  I'm not > sure that love can be called a substance. DAVEH:  Yeah..I a

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrancy

2002-12-25 Thread Dave
  David Miller wrote: > DaveH wrote: > > DO YOU AGREE THAT THERE HAS BEEN > > CORRUPTION IN THE MANUSCRIPTS??? > > We are all wondering if you will "RESPOND", > > Glenn or will your response be a "BAIT AND > > SWITCH"! > > Glenn wrote: > > No, I am not going to respond.  It is a waste of time. >

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?---Part 2

2002-12-25 Thread Dave
  David Miller wrote: >   > David Miller wrote: > >> A person is saved from sin when they believe upon Jesus Christ. > > DAVEH: > > I assume you are saying a person can still sin and still > > believe in JC at the same time? > > Belief in Jesus Christ means a trust and confidence in him. DAVEH: 

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-12-25 Thread Dave
  David Miller wrote: > DAVEH: > > I probably hear about it much more than you do > > because of my belief in the BofM.  Most folks > > don't have any interest in knowing if Jesus visited > > the Americas, because it would be beyond the > > scope of the Bible and just cause a lot of unanswerable

Re: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines

2002-12-25 Thread Dave
DAVEH:  Thanx Marlin..That solved the problem!     Dang..I was about to wish you a Merry Christmas!..But I guess I'd better not, eh!    Marlin Halverson wrote: > Try this one and enter the word.   http://www.m-w.com/home.htm > I captured that address after the word was entered. --

Re: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines

2002-12-25 Thread Dave
DAVEH:  Thanx Marlin..That solved the problem!     Dang..I was about to wish you a Merry Christmas!..But I guess I'd better not, eh!    Marlin Halverson wrote: > Try this one and enter the word.   http://www.m-w.com/home.htm > I captured that address after the word was entered. --

Re: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines

2002-12-25 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: > Gal 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and > NOT SINNERS OF THE GENTILES, > || > Gal 2:18 For IF I BUILD AGAIN THE THINGS > WHICH I DESTROYED, I MAKE MYSELF A > TRANSGRESSOR. Gary wrote: > 2:15 proves that both Jews and Gentiles are sinners > by nature--Jews and Gentiles aren't

Re: [TruthTalk] Imagine!

2002-12-25 Thread Terry Clifton
Izzy: I've known all this stuff for a little while now, most of it from experience, but I would never ever have been able to say it like this man has. SUPERB! Thanks, Terry Subject: [TruthTalk] Imagine! > Imagine: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21145 > > Izzy > > > --

Re: [TruthTalk] once saved, always saved/g's 02 christmas message

2002-12-25 Thread ttxpress
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 22:18:58 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>Jesus..was talking about the [613] commandments of Moses, which [Marlin] says >are commandments that we do not have to obey as Gentile believers.    for those into reprovin' poor ignorant Marlin, deep into legal

Re: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-25 Thread David Miller
Terry wrote: > Listen carefully brothers and sisters, and I will try > one more time. All the words in the Bible do not > apply to every Bible reader! Before you stone me > for that outrageous statement, please look at Leviticus, > the book of the Law. ... The law was for the "Children > of Isra

Re: [TruthTalk] The relationship between Torah observance and eternal life.

2002-12-25 Thread ttxpress
more proof:   On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 16:33:12 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> Marlin wrote:> > Gentiles should keep the commandments.  [DavidM;]  >Ok, we agree..[only] SOME commandments were shadows, and [only]>those commandments that were SHADOWS have nothing DIRECTLY >to

Re: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-25 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote: > Having enumerated the 7 laws of Noah, the author > of the book then separately considers each of the > seven laws, and determines which of the 613 > Mosaic laws are covered by each of the 7 Noahide > laws, and determines that 66 of the 613 Mosaic laws > are thus included in the Noahi

Re: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-25 Thread ttxpress
  sheer judaism, more proof:     On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:08:08 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>keep..God's [613] commandments [though] justified by grace >through faith [because whoever doesn't]'s faith is dead, and he >too has fallen from grace.

Re: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-25 Thread Terry Clifton
If it is not in the Bible, it is not God's word. Don't trust it, and don't trust the author. Satan is adept at using even the sincerest of lost men. Terry (aka the narrow minded fundamentalist) - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent:

Re: [TruthTalk] Legalism and Grace

2002-12-25 Thread Marlin Halverson
- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Legalism and Grace > David Miller wrote: > > Marlin, I would love to hear what you think > > of this passage. Do you believe that the

Re: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-25 Thread Peter Peterson
Dear people, Sounds like a great dialogue here. I really enjoy the thought- provoking discussions. I agree with Terry on the point of looking at who each scripture is talking to- lokk at the book of Job for instance. It has a lot of talk in it that was recorded of Job's three "friends". On

RE: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
    -Original Message- David Miller said: What is contrary to grace is when people put their confidence in their law keeping to make them right in God's eyes.  For example, if a man thinks that observing the seventh day makes him in right standing before God, that God looks upo

RE: [TruthTalk] The Noahide Law

2002-12-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Thanks, Perry--very interesting! Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles P. Locke Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 10:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Law Terry, and others, I have an interesting book ca

Re: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-25 Thread ttxpress
dizzyness is settin' in, DavidM; and, you and Marlin oughta be takin' responsibility for gettin' Izzy dizzy; now she's gettin' to where she can't tell Izzyism from Judaism:   On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 20:42:02 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:     -Original Message