Marlin wrote: > Gentiles should keep the commandments. Those > commandments pertaining to the priesthood that > existed in the loins of Abraham in his encounter > with Melchisedec have been transformed because > we have a new high priest, Jesus. Circumcision > was required for Gentiles who wanted to participate > in temple activities while it was still there in Paul's time. > But those temple activities were not necessary for > salvation. They were only a shadow of the body of > Christ to come, and fulfilled part of the covenant > made to Abraham.
Ok, we agree that at least SOME commandments were shadows, and those commandments that were SHADOWS have nothing DIRECTLY to do with salvation. For example, circumcision was a shadow of what happens to our heart in Christ Jesus. Therefore, physical circumcision is not required for salvation. Are we agreed upon this? I think so. If not, please clarify. Now, let me ask you if you are open to me showing you that the seventh day Sabbath commandment was also a shadow. Are you willing to consider Scripture and arguments to consider this? My position is that the seventh day Sabbath was a shadow. Your position is that it was not a shadow. Correct? David Miller wrote: > "The law of Moses had 613 commandments, not 10." Marlin wrote: > So to follow your reasoning further, should Christians > discount 607 of 613 laws because Jesus failed to mention > them in Mat. 19:17? No, that is not my reasoning. My reasoning about Mat. 19:17 is simply that Jesus had in mind the Torah when he was talking about commandments. He did not have in mind commandments that predated Moses. Can we agree on this? Marlin wrote: > Jesus was referring to at least six of the ten > written on stone with the finger of God. In > one form or another, all of the Law of Moses > remains valid, though its application has been > transformed. Ok, I can follow you somewhat on this. "It's application has been transformed." Not exactly the way I would word it, but I can follow and track with you on this. Marlin wrote: > One of Israel's sins was Sabbath breaking > in various forms. Even the land had to have > its Sabbaths. The dispersion of Israel over > this violation was prophesied in the Law. And judgment came upon her even when she did keep the sabbaths. Isa 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah. Isa 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. Isa 1:12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? Isa 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. Isa 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. Isa 1:15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood. Isa 1:16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; Isa 1:17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Isa 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: Isa 1:20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. In other words, the sabbath was not some special commandment that if one kept it, all was fine. The sabbath was one of many commandments in the Torah, one which Jesus was accused of breaking because Jesus considered himself Lord of sabbath rather than the sabbath being Lord of him. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida USA ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
