From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:15:05 -0700
God knew he secretly intended to usurp his throne, and assume his honor and
glory as King of the Universe.
Blain
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Blaine, What priciple was taught by eating dung?
DAVEH: HmmDo
street preachers ever resort to such tactics today??? If it
is Biblical, one would think they would want to embrace it, eh!
And, I wonder why they now think waving underwear is more appealing (to
God himself has a knowledge of good and evil, how? BY SINNING HIMSELF!
God was once a man, therefore he sinned.David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH wrote: > That is correct, DavidM. How could A&E have sinned, IF > they did not know right from wrong? Once they transgressed > by partaking o
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. Laura
Based on interviews with 601 Senior Pastors nationwide, representing a
random cross-section of Protestant churches, Barna reports that only half of
the countryâs Protestant pastors â 51% - have a biblical worldview. Defining
such a worldview as believing that absolu
"the most important concept in ancient theology"
Sex is the MOST important concept?
Is this Christianity at its best?
You are in a PAGAN SEX CULT!
Jesus was a married man!!
Your FAIRY TALES ARE GOING TO SEND YOU TO HELL!Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Blaine writes: Hmmm, this
Sex is not part of worship except in PAGAN CULTS
You will find such in the OLD TESTAMENT in the Bible.
God's word condemned them.
You will also find such today in the LDS celestrial sex cult
God's word still condemns it today!
Proverbs 29:1 He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall
Blaine, What priciple was taught by eating dung?
Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Blaine: DavidM, your examples are persuasive, but for one thing--there wassymbolism in what these Biblical prophets were called upon to do. Goingnaked, eating dung, wearing rough clothing, eating honey and
Blaine writes: Hmmm, this is all very good
Mormon doctrine, I think Kevin. Thanks for promoting Mormonism at its
best. If not for sex (married sex), your mother would not have had
seed, nor your father. You would not even be an afterthought. Are
you a married man? If not then you need
But the bottom line is, we are all of the same race
Mormon Apostle Parley P. Pratt's "God, angels, and men are all of the same species, one race, one great family..." Key to the Science of Theology, 1978 ed., p 21
Apostle John Widtsoe "God and man are of the same race, differing only in their de
Blaine: DavidM, your examples are persuasive, but for one thing--there was
symbolism in what these Biblical prophets were called upon to do. Going
naked, eating dung, wearing rough clothing, eating honey and locusts, these
were not just to grab one's attention, but to teach concerning basic
princ
Apostle McConkie, "It is not possible to believe in Christ and his atoning sacrifice, in the true and full sense required to gain salvation, without at the same time believing and accepting the true doctrine of the fall" New Witness Articles Faith, p. 82
IT WAS OBEDIENCE"After they had thus comp
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From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:43
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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE
Dave
Since the only god (with whom we LDs have to do) - the father -
Elohim is of the same genetic makeup a
.Dean
says:
My love is for the
brethern-Do Not Mistreat Them!
Dean:
Get over it.
If you don't want persecution, go into some other line of work. If
you are a true witness, per
Blaine: Do you want another testimony? I
gave you mine once, did you not read it? I said I knew there were
some on TT who draw near unto God with their lips, but their hearts are far
from Him. This came to me by way of the Holy
Ghost. Remember, I said I only
bear my testimony when move
Blaine, maybe you can help me understand this.
So, in the pre-life, he was Michael the Archangel, but in life, he became
Adam. This implies that you were once an angel, too, doesn't it? But, the
scripture says there is no salvation for angels. How does that work? Are you
not saved?
In life, th
WoW, SHOCKING ISN'T IT?David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH wrote: > That is correct, DavidM. How could A&E have sinned, IF > they did not know right from wrong? Once they transgressed > by partaking of the forbidden fruit, they then had acquired > knowledge of 'good and evil' and were cap
Just keep FOOLING yourself into believing you are a CHRISTIAN
What will happen when you find out you are not?
It will be too LATE!
Hmm : (
MT 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Do you really KNOW Jesus?
Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL
What is YOUR SECRET name Blaine?
BLAINE SAYS This would SUGGEST we all have pre-mortalnames and identities as we lived in eternity before time was.
To base your theology on such flimsy evidence is sad!
Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes, they (Adam and Michael) are one and the same--
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From:
Dean
Moore
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:47
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dean &
Ruben
DAVEH: ???
I don't recall ever trying to tell you what to preach, or who to preach to,
Dean. I think m
Since the only god (with whom we LDs have to do) - the father - Elohim is of the same genetic makeup as Satan in LDS theology
And Satan and his brother Jesus - the son - Jehovah is of the same genetic makeup in LDS theology
It logically folows that Satan & Elohim are on a level playing field.
Th
Dean Moore
Fear God and keep His commandments/ trust Jesus
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From: Terry Clifton
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 1/13/2004 9:48:17 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Testimony
.Dean says:
My love is for the brethern-Do Not Mistreat Them!
Dean:
Get over it. If
>
> John Wesley's theology is an interesting one to study in this regard.
> While he articulated a difference between the effect of original sin and
> actual transgression in regards to guilt, he still practiced infant
> baptism to deal with the problem of original sin.
>
Dean writes: Wesley to
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From:
Dean
Moore
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 4:19
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] False
Teachers
Dean Moore
Fear God and keep His commandments/ trust Jesus
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Blaine: What I hear Judy saying is that only those who believe the
Bible is the word of God are Christians, and if you believe there are other
scriptures, you are not Christian? Is this correct, Judy? Correct me
if I am wrong.
And what I hear Laura saying is that believing in Jesus Chris
Yes, they (Adam and Michael) are one and the same--Michael was an archangel
in the pre-existence, and was the first mortal man, Adam, in the flesh.
Gabriel is, according to LDS theology, associated with Noah, and was the
angel who appeared to Mary, the Mother of Jesus Christ, and to Zacharias,
th
Can anyone list some of the "BLESSINGS" from the FALL that accrued to man?
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Blaine, didn't you also say at one time that Adam and the archangel Michael
(or is it Gabriel) are the same being?
From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:10:52 -0700
Kev
Of course the problem is always me.
I take out of CONTEXT
I tell a SCANTY version
I am PREJUDICED
The problem is not that I do not understand LDS doctrine
The problem is I understand it too well
I quote your authorities, and you guys backpedal, deny, obfuscate and deflect
I am surprised you hav
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 2:16 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Jesus born where?
Blaine: By not listiung some of us, is this not breaking the ad hominem
rule by default--may it not be considered an o
Kevin wrote: Do you believe in "original sin"?
Blaine writes: We believe men will be
punished for their own sins and not for Adam's transgression. We therefore
do not believe in infant baptism. We believe that as in Adam all men die,
so in Christ shall all be made alive, and that as in
Blaine: Kevin is telling
us a scanty version of Mormon doctrine. Hopefully I can fill in the
gaps, giving you a more complete understanding.
As I understand it, the doctrine of the LDS
Church is, basically, that the earth and all therein was first created
spiritually. This means that
Blaine wrote:
> I think it can safely be assumed the Lord meant to bless
> Joseph Smith with all things promised, but when one is
> murdered, does this not take matters out of the hands
> of the Lord?
I do not believe that anybody can murder a man of God unless the Lord
allows it. Have you not
Dean wrote:
> I believe that apart from God good works are of
> a selfish motive. It's like what can they receive
> in turn for the good work. Even love.
We agree that apart from God, there is no such thing as good or love.
Nevertheless, you seem to hint on the idea perhaps that only Christians
DAVEH wrote:
> I confess to still sinning, which may seem contradictory
> to you in light of my above answer.
Ah, yes, it does seem contradictory. Maybe I can help you believe in
Jesus for deliverance from your sins. To do that, you must relinquish
faith in any religious systems on earth. You
DaveH wrote:
> I would be curious to know if most all TTers agree
> with the separate entities belief. At this point...
> few may want to offer their opinions. I'll ask
> some Christians I know how they believe and report
> back.
Part of the problem here is that if they know you are Mormon, t
DaveH wrote:
> From what I gather, the Protestants believe they get
> the authority from reading the Bible, since I wouldn't
> think they would accept the RCC premise of passed down
> authority.
Many Protestants do believe in authority being passed down by the laying
on of hands by one who has
.Dean
says:
My love is for the
brethern-Do Not Mistreat Them!
Dean:
Get over it. If
you don't want persecution, go into some other line of work. If you are
a true witness, persecution is absolutely guaranteed by the
Master.
Terry
Do you Ya
DAVEH wrote:
> That is correct, DavidM. How could A&E have sinned, IF
> they did not know right from wrong? Once they transgressed
> by partaking of the forbidden fruit, they then had acquired
> knowledge of 'good and evil' and were capable of sinning.
Wow! Let me say that again. WOW!
So I am correct in assuming that it doesn't have to come from someone
with PRIESTHOOD authority. Laura
Laura:
Judy told you correctly. There are not two classes of
Christians. We are all priests. God says so. It does not
matter what men say. The qualifications for an
Click here: Barna Research Online This article on the Biblical Worldview is interesting. A Portion of it is below. Laura
Based on interviews with 601 Senior Pastors nationwide, representing a random cross-section of Protestant churches, Barna reports that only half of the countryâs Protestan
DAVEH:
> To me, waving sacred underwear seems a strange, if not
> obnoxious and foolish, way to preach the gospel.
No doubt it might seem strange, but does God direct for it to be done?
That is the question.
Do you consider Isaiah walking barefoot and naked to be strange?
At the same time spake
In a message dated 1/13/2004 12:48:53 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: The calling is from the Lord, through one of his authorized servants who holds the rights to do so. Once called, that person is subsequently ordained by the laying on of hands by one having the pro
DAVEH: This is a point that I don't understand about your belief, Dean. I understand you believe he is a spirit, but Jesus has a spirit too (I assume you believe such), but that does not in itself exclude a physical body. For instance, when you worship the Lord, you do it in a spiritual sense wh
DAVEH: I confess to still sinning, which may seem contradictory to you in light of my above answer. Like I have previously said.I'm not perfect. (Nor am I a Mormon poster child.)
So how are you going to progress, become perfect?
Going to happen on the other side?
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Hotjobs
Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Look at it another way, DavidM. If you tell your 3 year old child that they should not pet a particular dog even if it looks friendly and fun to play with. But the choice is theirsIF they pet the dog, the dog will bite them. So.the dog looks so inviting, y
DAVEH: Again.thank you for being so open and explaining this. Do the elders or deacons ever ordain women? It seems some religions are OK with ordained women, and some are not. Which way do you lean, Dean? Would you feel comfortable having an ordained female minister perform your marria
Well I waited & waited
I guess the Mormons are not interested in giving a testimony for the Lord.
Thanks anyway!
Dean writes:
I think they are giving a testimony Kevin but it is not of Jesus instead it is of Joseph Smith.I am sorry that you have been treated bad on this site.You are
>
> David Miller wrote:
> >> 1. Do you believe that any good exists apart from God?
> >> In other words, can a man or woman say or do anything
> >> that can be called good without God working in them
> >> and through them?
>
> Dean wrote:
> > No I do not and would have to examine the motive
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Kevin wrote: ... according to the LDS Apostles the FALL of
Adam was actually obedience & was not a sin
DavidM: Blaine and DaveH, Does Kevin have this right? Do you Mormons
believe that Adam and Eve walked in obedience, and that their eating of the
fruit of t
David Miller wrote:
> David Miller wrote:
> >> Do you think that you and Kimball are in agreement
> >> on God's desire for us to live without sin, now in
> >> this life?
>
> DAVEH:
> > Yes.
>
> Interesting. Why have I never heard you share similar words on
> TruthTalk?
DAVEH: I don't recall b
David Miller wrote:
> David Miller wrote:
> >> Do you think that you and Kimball are in agreement
> >> on God's desire for us to live without sin, now in
> >> this life?
>
> DAVEH:
> > Yes.
>
> Interesting. Why have I never heard you share similar words on
> TruthTalk?
DAVEH: I don't recall b
DAVEH: My latest comments are
in GREEN.
Dean Moore wrote:
I believe our
Heavenly Father also has a "physical
body of flesh and bone", but I assume
you believe he only has a spirit body?
Dean writes:
Jesus ate fish upon His resurrection and tol
DAVEH: My latest post is in BLUE..
Kevin Deegan wrote:
DAVEH: I know what I am, Kevin.It does
not matter that you Claim not to be a prophet of any kind. The proof is
in the pudding. You teach false doctrine , that makes you a FALSE Teacher.
You probably consider yourself a christian too.
DA
Terry Clifton wrote:
To Dave H and Blaine:
Christians are Christians because of what
they believe,e.g. God is eternal, no beginning, no end. Jesus, the
Christ is His ONLY son. Satan was an angel, not a relative. When
you die, you go to Heaven or Hell based on what you did with the shed bl
David Miller wrote:
> DAVEH:
> > From my understanding of Protestantism (biased by my
> > LDS perspective), few Christians in the early 1800s
> > believed God the Father and Jesus, his only begotten
> > Son, were physically separate entities. Nor did anybody
> > believe (as you apparently do, K
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