Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   OooopsI guess that is an end to our friendship, eh John!   :-( [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   But I am no friend of any who are aggressive legalist.   They have proven to be of no value to me, on a personal level, and even dangerous to the to the cause of unity.    Water Do

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread ttxpress
myth (your posts indicate that you actually believe the KJV is God's wordS, an extremely arrogant assumption at best; God's Word is uniquely the jurisdiction of postBarthians, e.g., Word-sensitive scholarly translators suited to the task of conceptualizing and communicating Gods thoughts hum

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Street Preachers

2005-02-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/21/2005 7:46:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hang on the Grand Poobah has spoken. Better than "Campbellite water dog."   And it will be as devastating as those three unanswerable questions of the recent past.  

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/21/2005 7:39:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Still waiting on the supporting facts about KJ being a HOMO You do all that research on the Missionary Baptist bible , you can do the research on queen James.   By the way  --   to all  --   some of my ver

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/21/2005 7:39:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You do no different when claiming inspired status for the KJV.   I supply supporting documentation not just make claims thru rumor &inuendo You have done no such thing.  Scripture is inspired of God  --  

Re: [TruthTalk] Judaism and Theology

2005-02-21 Thread ttxpress
fwiw, rabbis aren't 'unbelieving'..their 'beliefs' are potent as are (e.g.) John Lennon's   suppose 'let it be' and 'living in the moment' are intertwined in English in Eastern Std Time, Describe the temporal relationship   something less difficult? try categorizing it, e.g., describe EST

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
JD says except for one last post from me, listing the errors and mistranslations of that version.   Is this it?  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/21/2005 10:23:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No comparison between Westcott &Hort who were unbelieving InfidelsandKi

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Street Preachers

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
The myth that the KJV is inspired is a dead issue as well   --   except for one last post from me Hang on the Grand Poobah has spoken. Dead issue # 2 as per JD C. H. Spurgeon Revivals of religion have usually been accompanied, if not caused, by a considerable amount of preaching out of doors, or i

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Still waiting on the supporting facts about KJ being a HOMO[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/21/2005 8:40:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No confusion here. He was, as you and Kevin would say, A SODOMITE!!  That settles it then. On the authority of your words, wha

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
You do no different when claiming inspired status for the KJV.     I supply supporting documentation not just make claims thru rumor & inuendo.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/21/2005 8:40:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No confusion here. He was, as you and Kev

Re: [TruthTalk] KJB Revisions

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
 Are all revisions of the KJV infallible or only the 1611 edition? Authority for our preserved Bible, is not found in any human work it is to be found in God. F.H.A. Scrivener a member of the 1881 RV revision, wrote The Authorized Edition of the English Bible (1611), Its Subsequent Reprints and Mo

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/21/2005 10:23:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No comparison between Westcott &Hort who were unbelieving Infidels and King James who was a Evangelical Christian

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Street Preachers

2005-02-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/21/2005 10:15:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John said, "I will be glad to share."  Why can't you have the same loving attitude? John also said something about your questioning as being transparent. I answered your initial questioning about my the ste

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/21/2005 8:40:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No confusion here. He was, as you and Kevin would say, A SODOMITE!!   That settles it then. On the authority of your words, what else could we wish for? Lance speaks EX CATHEDRA You do no different when

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
ARCHAIC WORDSGod retains the Archaic & outdated Word SEER in I Samuel 9:1-5 Verse 0 (Beforetime in Israel, when a man went to inquire of God, thus he spake, Come, and let us go to the seer: for he that is now called a Prophet was beforetime called a Seer.) We are notified in verse 9 and then show

Re: [TruthTalk] So Baptist apologizes for Missouri Persecutions

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Maybe he should personally make reparations to the LDS also! AND he "performs" miracles WOW it must be of God Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,  And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received

Re: [TruthTalk] So Baptist apologizes for Missouri Persecutions

2005-02-21 Thread bborrow26
Missouri Mob Descendant Apologizes to Mormons, Performs Miracles For Immediate Release Jan. 24, 2005 By Greater Things News Service (Not officially affiliated with Ezekiel Conference) Lynn Ridenhour addresses the Ezekiel Conference at the Unitarian Church on Highland Drive in Salt Lake

Re: [TruthTalk] Judaism and Theology

2005-02-21 Thread Bill Taylor
David wrote  >  > Bill, I hope you don't think that all Jewish theology embraces the Sadducean viewpoint of no afterlife. [] I do find some of your recent comments interesting in light of our past discussions where the "Hebrew mindset" was emphasized as an important one for interpreting Scri

Re: [TruthTalk] Fund LDS claims

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-b7_allred-obitfeb21,0,2387062.story?coll=all-newslocal-hed Apostolic United Brethren and other fundamentalist Mormon offshoots refused to renounce plural marriage, believing that the practice embraced by Smith confers heaven's highest blessings. They see themselv

Re: [TruthTalk] Judaism and Theology

2005-02-21 Thread David Miller
Bill, I hope you don't think that all Jewish theology embraces the Sadducean viewpoint of no afterlife. I do find some of your recent comments interesting in light of our past discussions where the "Hebrew mindset" was emphasized as an important one for interpreting Scripture, and the Greek vie

Re: [TruthTalk] Judaism and Theology

2005-02-21 Thread Bill Taylor
  Judy, I'm not criticizing you at all. I concur with what you said, and I do this for the very reasons that you outlined. Good job. The point of my correspondence was to accentuate the possibility that the Jews may very well have a different set of reasons for living in the moment than you

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread David Miller
John wrote: > All the more reason to make one's self available > to the thousands of documents discovered since > the Majority text and preserved providenctially > by God. The Majority Text position is not staticly stuck in time. It compares all the manuscripts, including those discovered since

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
No comparison between Westcott & Hort who were unbelieving Infidels and King James who was a Evangelical ChristianLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Last post on the 'Sodomite' King: It's still a good Bible. My point is a contrasting one to your Wescott/Hort point. Venom regularly drips from y

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Kevin wrote  Where is the proof of your slander? KD says When pressed for the "facts" we are met with evasion & refusal.Reason being is that they are Ashamed to post the juvenile prattle that is the basis for their "tabloid style facts" Their libelous Opinion is based on indisputable facts such as

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Street Preachers

2005-02-21 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > 'I truly would like to understand your > experience' says David Miller - > TRANSLATION 'I believe that I'm the > best I've ever seen and I just want > people like yourself and Bill to feel the effect > of my rhetorical questions.' IMO LOL. Lance, I know that I sometimes have troubl

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Lance Muir
Last post on the 'Sodomite' King: It's still a good Bible. My point is a contrasting one to your Wescott/Hort point. Venom regularly drips from your incisors with nary a care so...   - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
See 'Queen James'.   Ben Johnson "And there must go much more to the make of a guilty man than rumor."   Reverend Barrie Williams sums up the desperation "... there must be many besides myself for whom nine short words of the King are sufficient: 'Jesus had His John, and I have my George.' King Jam

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
See 'Queen James'. It's not slander. No confusion here. He was, as you and Kevin would say, A SODOMITE!!   The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncle

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Street Preachers

2005-02-21 Thread Lance Muir
There is. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 21, 2005 11:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Street Preachers David, do you ever believe that it might be wise for you to sit near theback of the clas

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Street Preachers

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
David, do you ever believe that it might be wise for you to sit near theback of the class, silently, and learn   Is there a seat available next to you?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 'I truly would like to understand your experience' says David Miller -TRANSLATION 'I believe that I'm the bes

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
No confusion here. He was, as you and Kevin would say, A SODOMITE!!   That settles it then. On the authority of your words, what else could we wish for? Lance speaks EX CATHEDRA Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No confusion here. He was, as you and Kevin would say, A SODOMITE!!- Original M

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
I believe the KJV is God's word for us I believe it has been proven thru the years and is still the standard all new versions wish to compare themselves to. I believe it is infallible The "revisions" you refer to are not comparable to the revisions of the modern versions. They are not of the same

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
The Evidence paints a different picture of King James.No historian accepts the theory of some hack out to sully the name of his enemy. The King had many enemies specially those of POPISH origins. To this day Canada for one celebrates Guy Falwkes day [sp} Many attempts were made on his life why not

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
NIV is overweeningly simple The facts don't fit the image some try to paint! Seems the heading must be backwards.   For more see http://www.biblebelievers.com/Vance2.html BIBLE VERSE NIV AV s 16:6 overweening very Deut 22:8 parapet battlement Lk 23:9 piled questioned Deut 32:11 pini

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Lance Muir
See 'Queen James'. It's not slander. Also, it's still a useful translation for those trapped in a time warp. (Kevin/Judy) - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 21, 2005 10:31 Su

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Judy Taylor
  On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:16:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> No confusion here. He was, as you and Kevin would say, A SODOMITE!!   jt: You will need to come up with proof for the above statement or be thought a slanderer Lance. How can you prove King James 1 was a homosexua

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Street Preachers

2005-02-21 Thread Lance Muir
'I truly would like to understand your experience' says David Miller - TRANSLATION 'I believe that I'm the best I've ever seen and I just want people like yourself and Bill to feel the effect of my rhetorical questions.' IMO David, do you ever believe that it might be wise for you to sit near the

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Lance Muir
No confusion here. He was, as you and Kevin would say, A SODOMITE!! - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: February 21, 2005 09:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use > John wrote: > >> a gay type (whom you dispise) is > >> on the co

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Since there are "Thousands" Should we not place an emphasis on what the majority say especially since the minority disagree even amongst themselves. For instance Aleph & B "the oldest & Best MS" disagree with each other over 5000 times in the gospels alone. Why does the age of a MS make it more im

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread David Miller
Kevin wrote: > The KJV is here, the infallible "original MS" > are lost therefore not of any value Kevin, do you believe that the KJV is infallible? What does the word "infallible" mean to you? Are all revisions of the KJV infallible or only the 1611 edition? Peace be with you. David Miller.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Street Preachers

2005-02-21 Thread David Miller
John wrote: >>> Campus yes street corner, no. >>> But nothing I said is speculation. David Miller wrote: >> Very interesting, John. Can you tell us more about >> your experiences in campus preaching? Do you still >> do it? When you did it before, how much did you do >> it? Did you see

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread David Miller
John wrote: >> a gay type (whom you dispise) is >> on the cover of your inspired version. Kevin wrote: > Where is the proof of your slander? I did some study on this subject some years ago. It seemed to me that the evidence that King James was homosexual was inconclusive. There was a guy nam

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:44:14 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: apparently the NIV committees' goals outdo the intent of the KJV's--they want ppl to actually understand the WoG rather than pack a hefty volume (to/from) somewhere   jt: Then why did they make it basically more

Re: [TruthTalk] Judaism and Theology

2005-02-21 Thread Judy Taylor
  This is one disjointed stream of "consciousness"  Please explain to me what "beatle mania" and/or an unbelieving Jewish Rabbi at a Religious tolerance meeting have to do with "living in the moment?"   Trusting God along with living in the moment is basically obeying Jesus who pointed out t

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/20/2005 10:08:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If there were a verb meaning "to believe falsely," it would not have any significant first person, present indicative. How in the world would you know since you are an anti-Greek Baptist?

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/20/2005 10:11:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then it should be light work for you to post this iron clad info Again  ---   I found the info in about ten minutes.   But I am not the one who cares.   I do not use the KJV in my studies at all.   The poin

Re: [TruthTalk] False Critical text

2005-02-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/20/2005 10:16:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: negative and harsh has been my experience Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. They weren't talking to me.   And neither are you.

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/20/2005 10:20:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The KJV is here, the infallible "original MS" are lost therefore not of any value All the more reason to make one's self available to the thousands of documents discovered since the Majority text and prese

Re: [TruthTalk] False Critical text

2005-02-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/20/2005 10:23:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not the one who believes that FF Bruce and myself and anyone else share brotherhood because we agree.    No two people on this list are in agreement.    To tolerate everything is too teach nothing.

Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Same tactics in the works today http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42954 Homosexual press hot to 'out' Bush figures"Outing" of reputedly closeted homosexuals, particularly those associated with the Republican Party or conservative politics, has become a favorite pastime of ho