[TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-26 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: April 25, 2005 19:38 Subject: Torrance > I know I sent this to you a few weeks ago but it is so good I am sending > it again. > > JBH > > “The covenant between God and Israel was

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard

2005-04-26 Thread Lance Muir
Ehhh? What's that? Lance is a 'stump', you say? There are many who would agree! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 25, 2005 21:33 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willar

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell

2005-04-26 Thread Judy Taylor
It's all through the OT whenever God's ppl strayed by getting too tight with the nations around them He spoke through the prophets calling them adultresses and harlots.  In the NT we can see it clearly in Romans 7.   An adulteress is anyone who tries to follow Jesus while they still love and

Re: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell

2005-04-26 Thread caroline
You're equating love without truth as idolatry. Many things can be idolatrous so I'll give you that. The reference for truth without love being noise is 1 Cor. 13:1-3. It is easy to err by worshipping a god of our own making. That error has been with us since man sought God. Isaiah's message t

Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard

2005-04-26 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: > ... but the Church of Christ stuff was almost > entirely off the internet. Ooops. More of my imperfection showing. :-) I can communicate what I meant better by saying, "but the Church of Christ stuff was almost entirely NOT FROM the internet." Peace be with you. David M

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-26 Thread ShieldsFamily
Why is it that liberal-type believers only dwell on God's love for the disobedient, whereas the conservative-type believers dwell upon God's deliverance from sin and victory over the flesh?  The Torrance type of deliverance is all in the mind.  The Jesus kind of deliverance is REAL! The "go

[TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism

2005-04-26 Thread Lance Muir
ï   - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: Lance Muir Sent: April 26, 2005 10:15 Subject: Gnosticism Why is it that liberal-type believers only dwell on God's love for the disobedient, whereas the conservative-type believers dwell upon God's deliverance from sin and victory

[TruthTalk] [Fwd: Fw: Church Bulletins]

2005-04-26 Thread Terry Clifton
    They're Back! Church Bulletins: Thank God for church ladies with typewriters. These

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism

2005-04-26 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote:    - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: Lance Muir Sent: April 26, 2005 10:15 Subject: Gnosticism Why is it that liberal-type believers only dwell on God's love for the disobedient, whereas the conservative-type belie

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism

2005-04-26 Thread David Miller
Jonathan wrote: > Holy Gnosticism Batman! There is not even a hint > of Christianity in Izzy's response above. LOL. Lance, you need to tell Jonathan to study his Bible a little closer. If Christianity was not as Izzy described, I would want no part of Christianity. Give me Christ instead. Ro

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism

2005-04-26 Thread Lance Muir
DM:Take care, David, when saying 'If Christianity was not...' Jonathan being correct excludes neither you nor Izzy. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: April 26, 2005 11:06 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism > Jonathan wrote: > > Holy Gn

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism

2005-04-26 Thread Lance Muir
OK - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 26, 2005 11:05 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism Lance Muir wrote:    - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism

2005-04-26 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: DM:Take care, David, when saying 'If Christianity was not...' Jonathan being correct excludes neither you nor Izzy. === IF Jonathan were correct, it would exclude nobody, but that's a big IF. -- "Let your sp

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism

2005-04-26 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > Take care, David, when saying 'If Christianity > was not...' Jonathan being correct excludes > neither you nor Izzy. You don't get it, Lance. If Jonathan is correct about Christianity, then please exclude me from it. I don't WANT to be part of it. Or does your theology give me n

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-04-26 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David, Yes, I am aware of John MacArthur's biases. Did you consider Zodhiates' position relative to the translation of "Hapax"? He also indicates that "Hapax" is used in a couple of different senses, but specifically references Jude 3 as being one of the instances similar to the sacrifice...it

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-26 Thread Kevin Deegan
So what church are you in?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: April 25, 2005 08:36Subject: Caroline's Blog April 24> > April 24, 2005> > > the church of 80% sincerity> > The Church of

Re:[TruthTalk] Hell

2005-04-26 Thread Kevin Deegan
But not all communication is truth.Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ahhh Jt but, they are communicating God's truth. All truth is God's. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 25, 2005 09:07 Subject:

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-26 Thread Kevin Deegan
Sounds like an excuse for InfidelityLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've always believed you to be sincere, even when wrong. You do understandthat every one of us is wrong about some things vis a vis our reading ofScripture don't you?- Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-26 Thread Kevin Deegan
Well won't it be nice while you are burning in hell to be able to look back and think at least you were sincerely wrong?Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   I've wondered about this also Izzy; and 100% sincerity won't count for much if one is 100% deceived as Eve was.  Paul was concerned les

Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard

2005-04-26 Thread Kevin Deegan
(written to JD) Why do you keep misrepresenting my views?   Where have I heard that before?? David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: John wrote:> When your testimony is false, David,> I go with the Truth.But my testimony is always true.John wrote:> You have persisted in your claim that I have n

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-26 Thread Kevin Deegan
God is 100% right God's judgements are 100% right All that issues from God is 100% right God's words are 100% right since they are His very words and issue from Him. The question is where would one find his word? Hint KJVDave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH: ButWere the translators 100

Re: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell

2005-04-26 Thread Kevin Deegan
We talked about how can we know when we're worshipping a false god. When we consider history from Augustine to today, it's not easy. It is VERY easy, this is exactly why God WROTE it down in Black & White. We have a MORE SURE WORD  1Peter ya know [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're equating love wi

[TruthTalk] Fwd: FW: FW: Sneeze

2005-04-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- > >Sneeze > > > >They walked in tandem, each of the ninety-three students filing into > > the already crowded auditorium. With rich maroon gowns flowing and the > > traditional caps, they looked almost as grown up as t

[TruthTalk] Fw: Courtesy of KFalls Barbie, a Jokester

2005-04-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: GETTING OLD AIN' T FOR SISSIES A couple in their nineties are both having problems remembering things. They decide to go to the doctor for a checkup. The doctor tells them that they're physically okay, but they might want to start writing things down to help them remember. Late

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Courtesy of KFalls Barbie, a Jokester

2005-04-26 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: GETTING OLD AIN' T FOR SISSIES A couple in their nineties are both having problems remembering things. They decide to go to the doctor for a checkup. The doctor tells them that they're physically okay, but they might want to start writing things down to help

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-26 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Your question, Izzy, recalls one that was asked a while ago, namely, Why are we so polarized on TT? It's because we are always reacting. I think some of us conservative-type believers on TT dwell on God's love for the disobedient because we've experienced a severe neglect of this in our own

Re: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell

2005-04-26 Thread Caroline Wong
I'd like to do another quick post on TT:   1)How many of you guys believe - that you have 100% correct theology - that you have 100% truth - that this is easy for anyone   2)Can you name other theologians whom you believe have no error in their theology?   3)In your opinion, why do bright and

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-26 Thread ShieldsFamily
Debbie, thanks so much for the very thoughtful reply.  I really liked it a lot.  I will start with the PS.  The “flesh” has Nothing to do with out Bodies!!! J The flesh is our Self! Our Sin. Our Egocentrism.  Our bodies are Wonderful, but Perishable, until we receive new ones; which tells u

[TruthTalk] Hell

2005-04-26 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Judy wrote:> It is possible for things to be true and not God's Truth - there are two kinds of wisdom> you know.   I would like you to elaborate a little more on this concept, Judy. Is the concept of gravity God's truth or another kind of truth?   I'd s

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-26 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  I think I can agree with you on all you've posted below, Kevin.   That leads to the next question Is 100% of what is found in any specific edition of the Bible God's words? ...and, a follow up question to perpend Is 100% of what God wants us to know found in the Bible