Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

2005-05-03 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Lance, do you (agreeing with the author's assumptions below) believe Jesus did not speak the words of Mk 15-18 as mentioned below? - Original Message - From: Jonathan Hughes To: Lance Muir Sent: April 22, 2005 21:27 Subject: Book of Mormon and the KJV

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-03 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: I concur, Kevin. Faith is certainly a key element of salvation, but I do not think it is the only element necessary for salvation. How do you see it, Kevindo you believe faith is the only necessary element of salvation? DAVEH: Hey KevinDo you have a problem with me using

Re: [TruthTalk] Judgment Begins at the House of God

2005-05-03 Thread Dave Hansen
Kevin Deegan wrote: So could you tell me what the difference is between you and our Mormon friends? LDS believe the bible "as far as it is translated correctly" DAVEH: And you don't, Kevin? Do you really believe all parts of the Bible were translated correctly? LDS believe that

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

2005-05-03 Thread Lance Muir
Presently, I do not. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk Sent: May 03, 2005 02:27 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible DAVEH: Lance, do you (agreeing with the author's assumptions below) believe Jesus did not

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
We had a Maine Coon for a short time. It was so big it was destructive--as it prowled the house at night we would hear things crashing to the floor. We sent him back and got a cuddly little Calico (Callie), and now we sleep much better. And nothing has gotten broken. I think Maine Coons

[TruthTalk] Reality

2005-05-03 Thread Lance Muir
'Reality is what you run into when you are wrong', Dallas Willard

[TruthTalk] Callie

2005-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
Callie the calico cat. (Better than a Coon!) Izzy OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA These photos were sent from Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) Elements 3.0.

RE: [TruthTalk] Reality

2005-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
Its a good corrective, thats for sure. I bump into it every now and then. (Wishing you would!) J Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 4:26 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Reality

RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
Id rather not impair it at all. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Watts can be correct (or incorrect) and trusting the Scriptures does not need to be severely impaired.

Re: [TruthTalk] Judgment Begins at the House of God

2005-05-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
1) I believe it true Prov 30:4 EVERY Word of God is pure 2) My God is not a pipsqueak at peril of menperverting His plans or His purpose eg someone lost 115 pages, but it was not the God of the Bible. It was the god of the BoM Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: So could

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
Faith - without works Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: I concur, Kevin. Faith is certainly a key element of salvation, but I do not think it is the only element necessary for salvation. How do you see it, Kevindo you believe faith is the only necessary element of salvation? DAVEH:

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread Judy Taylor
On Tue, 3 May 2005 06:14:38 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are obviously operating with the belief that truth can be reduced to certainty. As to some things (this perhaps being one of those things) it cannot.Unlike a house of cards mentality (if you remove one card

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-05-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
I know it is foriegn for LDS to testify of what God is DOing for them, Fast testimony meetings are just a buch of LDS repeating the memorized Mantra of: I know Joeseph Smith was a prophet I know the Church is true I know the BoM is true . Doesn't God ever do anything exciting in your life?

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread Lance Muir
I'm actually not surprised, Judy. You write with care and, considerable thought. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 03, 2005 07:38 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread Terry Clifton
Caroline Wong wrote: Hi Terry; I was surprised when I found out that hard-core young earth creationists also believed in evolution. They believe that God created one type of each animal and they evolved into different species. (ex. one elephant which later became 2 (or more?)

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-03 Thread Terry Clifton
If I might step between y"all for a moment, I would ask that you first define faith. What is faith? Terry Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH: I concur, Kevin. Faith is certainly a key element of salvation, but I do not think it is the only element necessary for salvation. How do you see it,

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: You are obviously operating with the belief that truth can be reduced to certainty. As to some things (this perhaps being one of those things) it cannot. == Could you elaborate on

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-05-03 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: You're forgetting that I'm a tired old Mormon boy, Kevin. Too much excitement in my life can be risky. About all the excitement I can handle anymore is watching the O'REILLY FACTOR every day, and reading your TT posts. How close to the edge to you expect me to get? :-D Kevin Deegan

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-03 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Do you believe repentance is necessary for salvation? Or do you believe faith alone is adequate? Kevin Deegan wrote: Faith - without works Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: I concur, Kevin. Faith is certainly a key element of salvation, but I do not think it is the

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

2005-05-03 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Then does it concern you at all to post his conclusions when they may be based on assumptions to which you do not subscribe? Lance Muir wrote: Presently, I do not. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk Sent: May 03, 2005

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

2005-05-03 Thread Lance Muir
You lost me. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 03, 2005 10:12 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible DAVEH: Then does it concern you at all to post his conclusions when

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-05-03 Thread David Miller
DAVEH: Salvation experience? What is that? Please explain. Being saved from sin and from this world system. When a person is born from above, born of the spirit and not just of the water, he experiences an internal change. The burden of sin is lifted from him. Guilt is gone. He feels as

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
I believe the Scriptures which say: Acts 20:20 And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house MK 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL things. JN 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth,

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
ASSUMPTION: Something taken for granted or accepted as true without proof Those are not assumptions they are givens. Proof - The scriptures plainly teach such. Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: My apologies, Kevin. I misunderstood you. I believe you assume baptism is not a necessary

Re: [TruthTalk] Fox news

2005-05-03 Thread ttxpress
who's your lawyer? On Mon, 2 May 2005 18:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || ..my lawsuit against Ithaca NY

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BLAINE: As I have said many times before, Kevin has his own religion, which is not Christian. He selects obscure passages that justify his vanity. Hey Kevin, why did Jesus insist on being baptized? Answer that question directly without trying to get the issue sidetracked, OK? (HINT: to

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread ttxpress
is the bible's poetry literal..what makes it true? On Mon, 2 May 2005 21:33:24 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the Bible..isnt true ([if not] literal) ..we.. believe it is [literal]? Does it take research to rationalize justification for not believing it is

Re: [TruthTalk] A really good quitler!

2005-05-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hiya Izzy!! You are a slick-lookin' chick!! You look all the better next to that old cowboy. (: Blaine: -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want

RE: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
Blaine, FYI you are not one who is in a position to determine who is/isn't a Christian, since you aren't one. Therefore, I, being a Christian, can assure you that Kevin is one. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
The lessons it teaches are true. One must first look for the possibility that each word/phrase means exactly what it says, barring obvious parables and illustrations. The simplest approach is the easiest way to find the truth. If one wants to avoid/distort the truth one only needs to muck

RE: [TruthTalk] A really good quitler!

2005-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
Blaine, you've got pretty poor eyesight for a Mormon fella, I am sorry to say. That old cowboy is about ten years my junior. :-) (Maybe he was rode hard and put away wet?) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

RE: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
BTW, Blaine, maybe you covered this already, but how did the guy on the cross next to Jesus go to Paradise if he wasn't baptized? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 8:12 PM To:

[TruthTalk] Fw: Joke

2005-05-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Forwarded Message -- With hope that nobody who happens to be one of these religions is offended... Just laugh at the others. :) Joan Great decisions made by committee: regarding the simple light bulb ... 1. How many Charismatics does it take to change a light bulb? One to

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread ttxpress
in your view now, poetry isthe 'simplest approach' to the truth? On Tue, 3 May 2005 21:16:08 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The lessons[biblical poetry] teaches are true...The simplest approach is the easiest way to..the truth

[TruthTalk] Fw: Smiles From The Bible

2005-05-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sunday is a good day for a humorous scripture quiz – Me Q. What kind of man was Boaz before he married? A. Ruthless. Q. What do they call pastors in Germany? A. German Shepherds. Q. Who was the greatest financier in the Bible? A Noah. He was floating his stock

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread Caroline Wong
:-) I have a cat from the humane society that everyone thinks has Maine Coon blood. She looks like one but is very sweet and gentle. She is large and stocky. And when she shedssheesh! Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Depends who does the inspiring and writing; some poetry is darkness, Biblical poetry is light... On Tue, 3 May 2005 20:56:50 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: in your view now, poetry isthe 'simplest approach' to the truth? On Tue, 3 May 2005 21:16:08 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL