On Thu, 5 May 2005 23:14:06 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But I remember, now, that you
have a very different idea of the body, and it was talked about at some
length on TT not long ago. (Remember thediscussion about
"gnosticism"?)
The above is not "my idea
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DAVEH: Perry, you need to wipe the fog off your crystal ball. Your mind
reading abilities are as foggy as your logical thinking relating to the ALL
discussion. :-)
Contrary to your belief, I don't need any wiggle room at all to feel
comfortable with
On Thu, 05 May 2005 21:49:34 -0700 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
However, since you introduced the (BofM) topic, let me quote a
passage from 2 Nep 29 that describes those who think the Bible contains ALL2) ...and my
words shall hiss forth unto the ends of the earth,
Dave,
It is not what we have in common that is the problem...it is what we do
NOT have in common.
DAVEH: So you have no interest in discussing theology in an effort to see
what we might believe in common?
Cpl: Not Really. I have an interest in exposing the error called mormonism.
DAVEH: To
On Thu, 5 May 2005 23:14:06 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, people do use being human as an excuse.
Humanity has been broken for so long, and the story of what we were made to be
(and what we will be in Christ) has become so obscured, that they think of
I believe that DaveH might well ask the same
question.
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What question is this Lance?
On Fri, 6 May 2005 05:56:48 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I believe that DaveH might well ask the same
question.
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On Thu, 5 May 2005 23:14:06 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But I
LindaS, I'm just wondering something. What if you
were given absolute proof that J.the Christ was a fraud? Would you still choose
to believe in Christianity?
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There is room at the Lord's table for all of us, isn't there?
There is plenty of room, it is just a question of proper attire.
MT 22 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not
uhhhdidn't I say we were all following Jesus
with our hearts and minds? But I'm glad to hear you withhold judgment...sort of
withhold judgmentwhateverit's a start.
Love,
Caroline
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DAVEH: Humility?
It is Bible!
Col 2 Speaking of Jesus Christ:
In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. ... As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: ... Beware lest any man spoil
The WHOLE Mormon argument is you are missing something.
You need further revelation your Bible is incomplete, in error and lacking in the truth
You have the Bible BUT do you have the Book of Mormon? (Like the recent TV add)
You need Joe Smith
You need the priesthood
You need the Temple
etc.
So LDS
all you ever do is criticize
WELL G the book does say:
2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousnessAnd you need some
Prov 10 he that refuseth reproof erreth.
Prov 29 He, that being
So DaveH please tells us the virtues of finding the things we have in common.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: Do you want to discuss theology, Izzy?ShieldsFamily wrote:
DaveH, Im just wondering something. What if you were given absolute proof that J.Smith was a fraud? Would
Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains ALL MY WORDS; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.
Enticing words?
Come here I have candy kid, try some.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: Perry, you need to wipe the fog off your
What is this Mormon preoccupation with finding all the things we have in common?
Why would one want to find; lets say, for example, all the things they have in common with the devil?
So what then; after we find what we have in common?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
A snake hissing?
Sounds a little Satanic to me like a Book with a Familiar Spirit
Isaiah 29:4 "And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and
DaveH If you want to discuss Theology why do you cast all these dispersions against Perry character?
Even if he was a ANGRY, ANTI, ATTACKING, with Internal HANG UPS, type person as you paint the picture, what exactly about that picture, proves Mormonism true?
Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I find your criticism to be without merit.
Izzy
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indeed, all you
ever
No. But I would like to know your
answer. Izzy
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DAVEH: Do you want to discuss theology, Izzy?
LANCE says LindaS, I'm just wondering something. What if you were given absolute proof that J.the Christ was a fraud? Would you still choose to believe in Christianity?
Do you have some?
Are you guys running a special on some new book?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LindaS, I'm just
Of course not. (duh.)
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LindaS, I'm just wondering something. What if you
were given
Caroline, No, that is not what you wrote
below. We can only take a persons word for whether or not they are
following Jesus with all their heart and mind and strength, but God sees the
heart. We can only see the fruit, and sometimes that contradicts what
comes out of their mouth. Izzy
Judy, I will be more blunt. It seems to me you
almost never hear a message as a whole. I'm beginning to think your
interlinearresponses are a strategy foravoiding making a sustained,
coherent argument. You reduce everything to fragments. This is how you read the
Bible, too, and it destroys
But Kermie, you miss the point do you not? -Miss
piggie
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LANCE says LindaS, I'm just wondering
something.
I, for one, do not.
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I find your criticism
to be without merit. Izzy
From:
Would a Mormon not answer YOUR QUESTION regarding
JS in the same irrational fashion? Duh indeed!
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Of course
Ahhh perspectivalism, you rear your head once
again.
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Caroline, No, that is
not what you
DAVEH: Casting dispersions against Perry? Don't think so,
Kevin. I'm just helping Perry understand how he comes across to me.
If you think I've cast a single dispersion against Perry, please define
dispersion and then give me one example where I've dispersed
himso to speak.
As for
DAVEH: I very much appreciate your response to each question I asked,
Perry. Though I respectfully disagree with some of your conclusions, at
least you didn't dodge my question.Thank you.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
It is not what we have in common that is the problem...it is what we
DAVEH: I like your answer, Izzy.Of course
not. (duh.)
BTW.I am curious---why do you not want to
discuss theology?
ShieldsFamily wrote:
No. But I
would like to know your
answer. Izzy
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On Fri, 6 May 2005 08:58:50 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy, I will be more blunt.
Good Debbie, it's always better to
be up front and let us get to know the real you.
It seems to me you almost never hear a message as
a whole.
You mean in the
First, Ratszinger says the
bible is inerrent, then he says it shouldn't be taken literally. That's typical
rcd doublespeak.
Does it remind anyone else ofthe doublespeak and
bias we are confronted with on TT?
Lance, you have missed the point that
DaveH has failed to answer my question. Izzy
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Why am I not surprised?
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I, for one, do not.
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Okaygood! Well, guess what. JS
was a total fraud. Are you willing to accept the evidence when it is presented
by those on TT? I dont discuss Mormon theology. Its like
discussing Star TrekIm just not into sci-fi. Izzy
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Could it be just because you are not easily
surprised?
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Why am I not
surprised?
And, if Joseph was a prophet and, if he was visited
by an angel, and, if LDS is the recovery of the one true church?
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I read his response. HE DID ANSWER THE
QUESTION.
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Lance, you have
missed the point that DaveH
The following is a poem written by Judge Roy Moore from Alabama.
Judge Moore was recently sued by the ACLU for displaying the Ten
Commandments in his courtroom foyer. He has been stripped of his
judgeship and now they are trying to strip his right to practice law in
Alabama.
America
Fulcrum or "support about which a lever turns?"
Likeothertheologians of your paradigm Lance
-Wrightavoids the distasteful (and in his words stays withthe
beautiful, creative, and aesthetic) which negatesalmost all of the "truth
once delivered to the saints" - Wright opines:
"One of the
OK, interlinear it is. One more
time.
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Genesis 1
On Fri, 6 May
I know. First somebody says the rain is "coming
down", then they say the rain is "wet". Isn't that doublespeak? They should make
up their minds!
Debbie
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G sazs "all you ever do is criticize--apparently your intended cover forweak rationale"
MYTH!
indeed, all you ever do is criticize--apparently your intended cover forweak rationale
On Thu, 5 May 2005 22:16:07 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thats all I ever do. You just
On Thu, 5 May 2005 23:14:06 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But I remember, now, that you have a very different idea of the body, and it
was talked about at some length on TT not long ago. (Remember
thediscussion about
give me one example where I've dispersed him
You claim he is ANGRY, an ANTI, he is ATTACKING, with Internal HANG UPS
DAVEH: Do you feel compelled to attack other religions as you do the LDS Church?
DAVEH:Referring to you as an anti-Mormon would have no political or social consequences on TT. I
The truth is Im very un-critical. I invite G to show us
otherwise. (I simply am good at standing my ground against bogus
challenges. J ) Izzy
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Actually, I was reacting to your phrase deserving a place at God's table. I
come from a tradition that says it is by grace we are all there and I used to
think all Christians believed same. None of us deserves to be there. It still
startles me whenever I read various versions of we got there
Hey, Judy,
I see, on rereading, that I allowed irritation and
impatience to strongly influence the content of mytwo most recent posts to
this thread. I've been pretty tired in the last few days, actually; not that
that's an excuse, butI mention it as the reason why I will wait and rest a
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Actually, I
was reacting to your phrase "deserving a place at God's table". I come from a
tradition that says it is by grace we are all there
and I used to think all Christians believed same. None of us deserves to be
there. It still startles me whenever I read
No problem Debbie, I'll wait to see how things look
after a break when you are rested.
Is Lance working you too hard?
judyt
On Fri, 6 May 2005 19:48:52 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hey, Judy,
I see, on rereading, that I allowed irritation
and impatience to
Caroline, you are exactly right.
Grace is what earns us a place at the table--the sacrifice of
Christ paid for the ticket to the party. We can't deserve
anything except hell but for His grace. Thus being intellectually honest,
or sincere, or belonging to a large group who believes as we
Just listened to a sermon by Rick Warren in which he stated that every
time we defeat or overcome temptation, we become a little more like
Jesus Doing verses becoming.
Preached Dr. Jame's wedding this past weekend -- used as my text Col
1:17-25. I was a little startled at just how
Got me something to do tonight when I get in from the shop. Looks
good -- and how wrong can it be when it is written so wright?
Jd---Thnaks for this post
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'Reality is what you run into when you are wrong', Dallas Willard
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with
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to the Rapture
Does this mean we can't pull rapture jokes on people anymore. You
[(that she)
'withholds'may mean merely'reserves'--her Eschaton for you ain't
here yet (while mine came and went sometime last year as i recall
lol)]
On Fri, 6 May 2005 07:49:06 -0500 "Caroline Wong" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
uhhhdidn't I say we were all following Jesus with our
you're
convincedi'm a sinner, eh?
On Fri, 6 May 2005 05:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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..
the book does..instruct[..] in
righteousnessAnd you need some
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But therein opens up a can of worms. What about
people who are mentally incapable? And what about those who were indoctrinated
into another belief (thereby rendering them mentally incapable as well). Most
people would also add those who did not hear. Or those who did not hear a good
BLAINE: I wrote the below some time ago--have not as yet seen an answer--maybe
I missed something?
Hey
Kevin, why did Jesus insist on being baptized? Answer that question
directly without trying to get the issue sidetracked, OK? (HINT: to
fulfill ALL righteousness)
Receiving an assurance of
Hi Folks, just thought I'd send a little sample of what keeps my thoughts
sharpened re: the gospel--I belong to TruthTalk, an e-group dedicated (?) to
the truth. (: Instructions for joining this group are forthcoming in the next
e-mail--it would be fun to have a bunch of dedicated MORMONS on
Dear Perry,
For an answer to your questions, Perry, please read section 76 of the DC--it
is, I understand, on-line. As to a general reply, I can only say that you seem
to have the truth confused with what is familiar to just little ol' you. If
it is not in the Bible, or within the realm
Blaine: Just for the record, so as to answer the question, what is faith, I
reply the following:
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen
Now, I have a question for Debbie and TT's in general: The stance taken by
many on TT has been that the Bible
you were warned by
Spiritual ppl last Fall, even urged to disavow the Republicans for this reason;
regardless, you voted your conscience, didn't you?
On Fri, 6 May 2005 13:20:44 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The
following is a poem written by Judge Roy Moore
only of the
RNC
On Fri, 6 May 2005 17:37:20 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The truth is Im very
un-critical...
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yes; he's extremely
conservative; stands his moral ground about like Pius XII andis quite
capable ofNazifying himselfto fend off godlessness in
Russia
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First, Ratszinger says the bible is inerrent,
then he says it
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