Part II in a series of II. This being "part II," Kevin, means there was a post written prior to this one -- we call it "Part I."
What David does in this response is clear; he manifests his lack of concern for either myself or the actual discussion. This comment "This is the crux of our
DAVEH:Perhaps.Heb 13:1
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Has anyone on TT actually seen an angel? Izzy
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Whew !! Thanks for removing the pressure. But I just about have this "upright" thing figured out. I will try it with shoes in the next day or two. If I can learn to be bipedalistic, it will free up an "extra" pair of shoes.
Cool
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Come on, JD--you know I already knew that. :-)
Izzy
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(and Izzy's -- she will
now say that I was defeat simply because you said I was
confused.)
Kevin: (clue) Amoeba's don't "disappear". :-)
Izzy
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DeeganSent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:50 PMTo:
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The Bible see
Thank You Jesus We would have missed you
very much jt! Izzy
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Okay, we'll also post photos of creatures from the other end of
the spectrum as needed. :-)
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Ohhh, that! Yup. That’s why we
now own France, Japan, and most
of the rest of the world.
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In you statment below, you initiate your "discussion" with falsehood -- the claim that I am confused and you are not. Grade school combat tactics. Just plain silly. Why did Bill leave -- and probably Caroline and Debbie? They got of the tactic "win at all costs." You , especially, have
Scott Brockie: Read the Interim report detailing the Ontario Human Rights Commission decision against Scott Brockie which concluded that his "rights as a Christian were subordinate to those of homosexuals not to be discriminated against," and that "he must restrict the practice of Christianity to h
Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen in their manifesto for the "gay" rights movement, After the Ball: "(In regards to those) who feel compelled to adhere rigidly to an authoritarian belief structure that condemns homosexuality
our primary objective regarding die-hard homo-haters of this sort is to cow
First you must have one.Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Why would we be? We are not invading countries to build an empire.
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Lance wrote: > ... Christine sounds pretty brainwashed to me.
Why is it that the lib's are always, so conceited in their opinion of themselves?
Quotes from lances friends:
I despise him [President George W. Bush]. I despise his administration and everything they stand forTo my mind the elec
The Bible seems to speak of every person having a guardian angel, yet we don't see angels as often as we see people. Wouldn't invisibility be the likely explanation for that? Don't you think angels have bodies?
The amoeba has a body but what bearing does that have on whether God has a body or n
Of course he protects his daughter, what kind of an
uncaring father would he be if he didn't take up for her.
She is obviously not only a thinking person she is also
bold in the Lord for one so young - rather than
presumptuous and arrogant. There is a
difference. jt
On Mon, 23 May 2005
You will never agree ... David sees and speaks
spiritually. You Lance, are political and the
saying below is political to the core.
jt
On Mon, 23 May 2005 11:58:42 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:> And you, David, have that completely wrong. It's the birds of a
> feather
I haven't seen one but an sure one kept me out of a
head on collision on my way to church
yesterday. I was a bit distracted as we have a
houseful of active and noisy children, was on
my own and fiddling with the cell phone connection on
our road which is country and most of
the time not a l
Last time I checked Lance Dallas Willard was not
sitting on the throne. Capitalism is by nature consumerist;
is
Canada a capitalist nature by any chance? I know
Australia is and it is every bit as bad, maybe worse in some
ways. You know the old saying "ppl who live in
glass houses?" Aust
What denominational association do you maintain and/or What denominational association is the church you now attend? Your answer to these questions has a lot to do with how I respond to this post. You know my afflication. What is yours?
JD
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You keep pressuring me for a picture. I am working on it.
JD -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:56:51 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT
Has anyone on
Thanks friend. Interesting story - timely application - awesome quote from Merton.
JD -Original Message-From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:14:50 -0400Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: flying kites with glass string
- Origi
Why would we be? We are not invading countries to
build an empire.
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Im sur
Which in this case is a very good thingy! Izzy
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Thanks David for the
David Miller wrote:
What do you think about angels around us? Sometimes they become visible,
but don't you think of angels as being in a dimension which is invisible to
us?
=
I am more visable at some times than I am at others
Lance Muir wrote:
You, collectively, are being judged
now for your consumerist, religious, non-kingdom building (see Dallas
Willard on this), dualist, gnostic approach to what should be an
embodied gospel. God may well be using 'them' to judge you.
Yikes! We agree on this. It's only appropriate David, that you'd rush to
protect your naive daughter. She may well grow into a thinking person and
thereby be of help to 'pop'.
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I’m sure you and Canada are not
being judged for anything at all. How lovely for you. Izzy
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And you, David, have that completely wrong. It's the birds of a feather
thingy.
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> Lance w
Thanks David for the multitude of scriptural quotations. I stand by what I
said. It's the acorn and tree thingy.
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> Lance wrote:
> > ... Ch
Has anyone on TT actually seen an angel? Izzy
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I am waiting for a definition. That was
not one. Izzy
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This is exactly the type of kite flying
competition described in The Kite Runner. The setting was Afghanistan.
The novel gave a good picture of what it was like under the Taliban from
someone from Afghanistan.
It was also all about character. A real page turner. Izzy
From:
Lance wrote:
> Anyone who believe that GWB is bringing in the kingdom
> is, I'm afraid, out to lunch.
For the record, I do not believe that George Bush is "bringing in the
kingdom" [of God?]. He has simply given us a little relief from
persecution, and he has given the Iraqi's a great amount of
Lance wrote:
> 'Likeminded' being the operative word here, Judy.
> In your case (along with David & Izzy) it means
> 'the measuring stick of my tradition.
You have that partially right, Lance. Good for you. Judy's tradition is
the tradition of Christ and the tradition of Christ's apostles. Wha
Lance wrote:
> ... Christine sounds pretty brainwashed to me.
Oh, please stop with the ad hominem remarks. At least she has a brain to
wash and is found now to be pure.
Every one of us indoctrinate each other. The question is, which doctrine do
we submit ourselves unto? Are we washing our br
David Miller wrote:
>> John 20:22-23
>> (22) And when he had said this, he breathed on them,
>> and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
>> (23) Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto
>> them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
John wrote:
> You are not included
You, collectively, are being judged now for your
consumerist, religious, non-kingdom building (see Dallas Willard on this),
dualist, gnostic approach to what should be an embodied gospel. God may well be
using 'them' to judge you.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
Kevin wrote:
> Just like on ressurection morning he "vanished" from
> the Tomb talked to some and made a bee line to heaven
> and back all while the Jerusalem Grille was still serving
> breakfast! How far is it to heaven and back? How fast
> was He travelling? Going to heaven and back in maybe
> an
I'd like to see it also - it would be a first.
jt
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writes:
I did not see any
scripture. Which one did you quote? Izzy
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Would you rather have mid east cloak and dagger along
with muslim violence and insanity. Also how can you be
so sure that God is not involved with what is happening
in the middle east. How are you so sure it is not the time
of Iraq's visitation? Through history God has
always used one natio
The secretary of state is a 'neo-con'. Richard
Pearl is a 'neo-con'. It is, IMO, an agenda that has overridden GWB's ability to
think independently.
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From: Debbie Sawczak
To: Lance Muir
Sent: May 23, 2005 10:09
Subject: flying kites with glass string
Yesterday at my mom's suggestion she and I took
Luke and Aaron to Basant, the Pakistani kiteflying festival held in Erindale
Park. (Carolyn Parrish, who was t
I don't recall ever saying anything about GWB taking
out or bringing in anything Lance; why do you attribute
all these things to me that I don't stand for.
I'm content to let GWB serve God in his own way - God is God and
is still on the throne no matter what he does or does
not do. Your ide
Your evil surmisings give me yet another
clue that you do not have the mind of God, but the ideology of Man. God used Israel to subdue evil nations—He can do
the same with America.
Sometimes that does require the flames of Judgment. Of course, if
you are against political freedom in nati
I am sure you have used it before - many a time: Matt 7:1 -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:04:37 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation
I did not see any scripture. Which one did yo
The scripture quoted below is evidence that my thoughts are not "pure speculation." There is nothing, in fact, that I believe that is not grounded in scripture. Doesn't mean my thinking is right -- but it (my thinking) comes from a desire to be biblically based. If I do not understand co
'If' is the operative wordy, Izzy. Given GWB's
track record, it isn't looking hopeful. Under the guise of 'spreading
democracy', (read 'plant bases/troops near the oil supply) he has set much of
the middle east aflame. I'd say that the neo-cons have his ear more than
God.
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FYI, Lance, the “Kingdom” is
the rule and reign of Christ. If He rules and reigns in my life then I am in
his Kingdom. If GWB can be used to bring America more under the rule and
reign of Christ in one area or another then that is a good thing. God can use
anyone with a willing heart, in
What a news flash.
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:-) I can be a grum
I did not see any scripture. Which
one did you quote? Izzy
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Tell it
Your last sentence is that which you, Judy, should
take to 'heart'. You are in a kind of bondage along with D & I. Anyone who
believe that GWB is bringing in the kingdom is, I'm afraid, out to
lunch.
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Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
'Likeminded' being the operative word here, Judy.
In your case (along with David & Izzy) it means 'the measuring stick of my
tradition.
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Sent: May 23, 2005 0
'Abnormal' being the operative word in conversation
with you, Judy, always.
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:-) I can be a grumpy old man, Judy -- at times.
Jd -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 23 May 2005 06:47:47 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Where have all the non-fundies gone save (excepti
Hey Lance, if I thought what they had to say was that
important I would go back to college and take a course in worldly
comprehension. But at this point in my life I realize that everyone has an
opinion and so I can respect the person without embracing their
opinions. As for my will - wel
I don't pay much mind to Jerry; Dobson has some good
things to say about family and parenting and I guess Jones has his place in the
scheme of things; I don't follow these men but neither do I put time and energy
into continually evaluating them .. If their doctrine is way out there then just
What point is this Lance? That I will not to
understand? I understand what you and JD are saying, I just
don't
believe it is scriptural. As for the Pope .. well
too much has been said about him already. They will saint him as soon as
they come up with a few "miracles" Never mind his unc
Another example of the point I've been making. I
suspect that David and Izzy would go along with you on this. (I don't 'count'
the K-man anymore. He's altogether too loopy)
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.in
The RR have come close to full blown legalism. They
drive people away with their self righteous pontifications. Just compare Jerry,
James and, Bob with David, Judy and Izzy. (that's Falwell, Dobson and,
Jones).
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.i
Both groupings wrote well and, insightfully. You
'cannot' understand what they are saying. Some believe that you 'will not' to
understand. I go with the former conclusion. We've been down that road
previously. It is just possible that everyone who has spoken to/of you thusly is
quite incorre
Pure speculation JD - Since the Pope is
already massively deceived believing himself to be the alter Christus
why quote him? You can use all
these big theological words but plain fact is
Eve was deceived and Adam chose to go with
her. He chose the voice o
Hey JD - Just where are you at? You sure have a
lively imaginative thing going on there jt
On Sat, 21 May 2005 20:27:10 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Life on the religious right is all about eliminating the competition. We are not family
members with differing ideas
Just possibly the Mormons have not been called by the
Father, (so far anyway) since they don't respond and as for
the ones you mention
below. Slade, Bill, and Jonathan don't appear to be able to handle any
type of challenge to
what they believe they know
already so they emotionally bail o
'Being as Communion' (JZ) SVS press I always keep
it in stock.
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May I recomend the writings of John Ziz
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