DAVEH: Thank you for your thoughtful reply, Judy. No further
discussion from this end
Judy Taylor wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:12:37 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How would you be able to discern truth
DaveH when you are already deceived by the
From: "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]cd: So what is
the capital crime?Blasphemy? Better read Titus 1:9-13 Wherewe are instructed
to silence the false teachers by sound doctrine and torebuke them
sharply-not kill them be show they are wrong.
BT: Yes, this is what the bishop-led Church is to do.
No! No! No! I am not a relativist BUT, the above
should read as follows:
YOUR INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE CONCERNING THE
STANDARDS OF GOD, IN THE MATTER UNDER DISCUSSION, DIFFER FROM MY
INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE ON THIS MATTER.
In all seriousness, Judy, please take time to pray
I could say that to you personally Lance because from
what you write, you don't believe there is such a thing as objective
truth
However, in evaluating Calvin or anyone else who
professes to be speaking as God's oracle we have an objective standard which is
the Word of God. Jesus sent the
cd writes: Better read Titus 1:9-13
jt writes: Where in scripture does one find a
"Bishop-led" Church?
Titus 1.7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God;
not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to
filthy lucre; 8 But a lover of hospitality, a
Yes Judy, I have read the passages you identified.
My request stands. Suggestions:Think about-IMO, As I see it, Operating with the
understanding of Scripture that I have just now, Bill, John and David give me
cause to think (not concerning whether or not Calvin may have erred in his own
Are you reading from the Latin Vulgate Bill? My
Bible calls them "elders" - yes they are to be "examples" to
the flock but Jesus is head of the Church and they are
at best undershepherds. How would it have been
possible for one of these men living in Geneva to reign
in John Calvin?
On Wed,
I would say Amen to your conclusion since Calvin did
not obey God's Word in his own life and could not be an example to others in
that way. Calvin was not primarily a follower of Christ. He was
drinking from a polluted stream which was that of Augustine. Calvin called
himself an Augustinian
As to your Calvin/Augustine connection,
Amen!Sadly, IMO, there is not one on TT, though perhaps to a lesser
extent, who has not abused their position of power over others on some
occasions. (As husband, wife, sibling, office holder in a believing group,
political office holder,
Statue-Whacker on 'Mission from God' Will Be Tried By Raquel Maria Dillon, October 4, 2005 04:18 PM OAKLAND -- The man who used an ax to whack at a statue of Jesus in the Oakland Mormon Temple Visitors Center rejected a plea bargain in Alameda County Superior Court yesterday. Larry B.
I would, with the addenum that the ppl you mention
below usually run over others to benefit themselves which
is natural for a man walking after the flesh -
but they do not do this "in God's name" or as an ambassador of
"Christ"
and usually the outcome is not beheading others or
burning them
Are you reading from the Latin Vulgate Bill? My
Bible calls them "elders"
You might oughta check your reference, Judy. The
word is episkopos --fromepi, "over";
skopos, "seer" -- translated "bishop" in the KJV.
Bill
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Judy
Taylor
To:
Point takenBill - but are you saying that a
bishop is not an elder?
The apostle Peter called himself an elder (1 Peter
5:1)
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 06:46:21 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are you reading from the Latin Vulgate Bill? My
Bible calls them "elders"
You
Judy -- what in the world could you possibly point to in Bill's writingin the most recent posts that cause you to think that he is making such a separation -- or that he is even discussing the use of these two concepts (read:words)? It appears to me that you are just looking for something to
'Touch not the Lord's Annointed'!! Have you ever
heard a 'gifted' believer say that? Have you never heard a husband/father employ
Scripture to justify 'abusive' behaviour (verbally/physically)? Have you never
taken note of 'cliques' within believing groups that exclude newer people? Have
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:03:35 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
'Touch not the Lord's Annointed'!! Have you ever
heard a 'gifted' believer say that? Have you never heard a husband/father
employ Scripture to justify 'abusive' behaviour (verbally/physically)? Have
you
Obviously you do not know what the thread is about
JD.
You need to read previous emails and give them some
thought before commenting.
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:02:05 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy -- what in the world could you possibly point to in
Bill's writingin the most
Lance where did you dredge up something like
this?
Such exquisite deception -some ppl just have too
much time on their hands...
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:20:15 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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Sent: November 29, 2005 11:15
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evidence suggests
that Lance knows him better than you know Calvin, and, that TT is a truth
centerwhere your comments about thesemendo clarify
yourmind setfor your readers
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:39:36 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Lance where did you dredge up something
As usual Gary you are mixing apples and
oranges.
Bush has not set himself up as some Ayatollah Komenhi.
He was elected head of a secular state
and just happens to be a
believer in Christ in his own personal life which is not open to public
scrutiny
and/or judgment.Calvin OTOH put himself
Judy, elders and bishops are the same thing in Scripture. The passage
that Bill quotes is "bishop" in the KJV. I thought that was the version of
your Bible.
You still don't get the situation in Geneva. John Calvin was brought
to Geneva to help them organize a "reformed" church. Calvin
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From: Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Date: 11/29/2005 11:51:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil
man' says Dean Moore
cd: So what is the capital crime?Blasphemy? Better read Titus 1:9-13 Where
we are
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From: Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 11/30/2005 12:31:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore
I thought perhaps a little separation was in order :)
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I have read a number of articles concerning the Sonship of Christ as the result of some action associated with His incarnation.
The Apostle John clearly understood Christ to be the Son of God and God at the same time.
Those who disagree find the sonship established with His birth, others see
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of
Satan-He was an evilman' says Dean Moorecd: So what is the capital
crime?Blasphemy? Better read Titus 1:9-13 Wherewe are instructed to
silence the false teachers by sound doctrine and torebuke them sharply-not
kill them be show they are
No, I am not saying that.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:47
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's
beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says
et al:
You know -- if there is any way we can have continued discussion without the ankst -- me included. If you have not been profited by personal study because of what we do here on TT, shame on you.
The running battle with Deegan gave me the opportunity to go over some old class notes and
DAVEH: Do you believe Adam Eve were predestined to transgress?
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Hence, only God could actually save man -- and that was His
intention from the beginning of thefoundations
of the world.
Thank you Jesus
Pastor Smithson
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~~~
Dave
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