Dean is a big boy Bill and his gospel is not a flesh gospel
Uniting and becoming one flesh is something we need in this world to
procreate and raise godly children
Jesus did not die to institute another "Kingdom of this world"
judyt
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There is and the Passover lamb was for the whole household, including
children. judyt
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So why is there no sin offering for children under the Old
Law?
jd
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Another way of saying the whole creation is under a curse JD; do you know
of any person who is not born
of a woman to date JD? However Jesus is the only one ever who is
begotten by God; that makes him an exception
since the iniquities of the fathers comes down by way of the male.
judyt
On
Must have been on this laptop and didn't go out until I got it stirred up
again on this trip.
Good point though; A body has no mind of it's own so it's our nature
that calls the shots and
the one Jesus came into this world with was pure and holy.
judyt
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Guess again, Judy. Just because you can count to two is no evidence
that "dualism" has occurred. Dualism, when applied to human
nature, is not a characteristic count. That Christ is wholly God
and wholly Man is not a
Wholly good and ATST wholly evil is dualism JD - judyt
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And now that Christ has reconciled all things unto Himself --
what do we now suppose?? Further, Gal 3:26-27 speaks
of us being into Christ. Jesus speaks of You in me, I
He sees faith in what JD? Faith in His Words or faith in whatever
comes along?
Also you are in error - God does not HAVE to do anything. Old Covenant ppl
could be righteous, they were
under a different system. The law did not fail, it did what it was
meant to do and still does. judyt
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Bizarre theories? Your pastor and the leadership at BSF teach
what is essentially being taught here by David, Bill, Lance, and
others.
jt: I don't think so JD, although they have accepted some of the quotes
of the
What makes you think that Jesus was in control of the timing of his own
death JD? Scripture teaches that the times and seasons are in
the hands of the Father. Are you now saying that Jesus is the
Father? Manipulation is using devious means to get another to do
your
will without their consent
The point here is JD that they were born sinners and liable whether or not
they sinned
Jesus was not born a sinner. He is the ONLY begotten of the Father;
yes he had a flesh
and blood body but he was not born in the first Adam. His father is
God. judyt
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cd: Respectfully David -Judy has stated dozens of times that she believes Christ came in the flesh. Yet the group keeps denying she
cd: David- Judy stated what she believes and I find no fault in it. On
campus a student came to me yesterday and apologized to me for his mockery
to me. He stated that as he heard discussions in class that claimed I was
against women,and judging people ,and hate homosexuals, he then realized
that
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I find it quite amazing Dean that these people can just ignore scriptures like those you post
below and go on and on about
Dean
writes: . . . we were brought to His state as
Christians.
And from this
morning:Bill I hesitate to answer this as I am
not sure where you stand on the issue of: Did Christ appear in the Heathen state
or in the state we are now as Christians. As a Christian I have all the human
JD wrote:
Sodomite is a name we call people just
as "nigger" is a word that offends.
I don't see it that way, John. Sodomite is a Biblical word, and it
points toa particular sexual practice. Furthermore, it reminds the
hearer of the Biblicalcity which brought upon them God's judgment for
Yes, I have been to the Holy Land Experience. I personally enjoyed it, but
only mildly, in a mediocre way. However, you need to consider that I have
twice been to Israel, so it hardly compares to that. :-) Several of my
friends have been there too, and they really liked it, much more than I
David:
It was your predecessors that lynched the
aforementioned. It was your predecessors that barred the aforementioned entry to
churches. It was your predecessors who generated the plantation mentality still
imbued in the aforementioned. It was your predecessors, the
celebratedfounding
John, wait and see if there is no lasting good. You seem to forget that I
have done these fights before and changed laws for the good. I'm working to
do the same here. I sacrifice myself and my daughter for the good of every
Bible believer, even those like you who do not appreciate the
The Passover is a sin offering ?? !! Where do you get that idea?
jd
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There is and the Passover lamb was for the whole household, including children. judyt
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'feminism'?? Don't get me started! The role of the church (read DM as a
contributor) is both anit-christ and anti-gospel. You, DM, ought to repent
for that which you've done, do and will no doubt continue to do in your
unbiblical stance on this.
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Your own words contradict your theology. You admit that the language "born of a woman" are words that proclaim the human predicament. Any man born of woman shares in the predicament.
That the "generational curse"does not include the woman who gives birth, well, that is just silly, or worse, in
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There is and the Passover lamb was for the whole household, including children. judyt
cd: If a young person can be saved at a
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Hi Dean. I am not "oneness" as that term is used to define a particular theology. That the Godhead is made up of
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So why is there no sin offering for children under the Old Law?
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Deu 24:16 The fathers
What makes you think that Jesus was in control of the timing of his own death JD? Scripture teaches that the times and seasons are in
the hands of the Father.Your scripture reference is ??And are you saying that the knowledge of the Father is not shared with the Son? And are you saying that
I am speaking of the nature of Christ.In Him, man and God work together as they should.Oneness, my dear. But, it you think it important to insist on otherwise, be my guest.
jd
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Wholly good and ATST wholly
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Bizarre theories? Your pastor and the leadership at BSF teach what is essentially being taught here by David, Bill, Lance, and others.
jt: I don't think so JD, although they have accepted some of the quotes of the church fathers
I asked these questions of Dean. Until he answers, your comments are out of order.
jd
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He sees faith in what JD? Faith in His Words or faith in whatever comes along?
Also you are in error - God does not
Guess again, Judy. The point is YOU HAVE NO SCRIPTURE for your claim that men lived without sin from Adam to Moses ... just JudySpeak !!
You have , once again, been cuaght adding to the Word with your opinions.
jd
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Judy wrote:
A body has no mind of it's own so it's our
nature that calls the shots and the one Jesus
came into this world with was pure and holy.
Here is another reason you do not understand my thinking on this. The body
DOES have a mind of its own. I know of this from biology, but the
Judy wrote:
... two opposite natures in the one person is just that.
It makes him doubleminded and a doubleminded man
is unstable in all of his ways. schizophrenic even.
No it does not. I have two natures in one person. My flesh is contrary to
my spirit. However, because I have received
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You talkin to me? Bill wrote the piece. But, since you asked -- you are the one using the term "heathen sinful
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Amen. Awesome point -- aaa, wait a minute -- that was me who said that.
and the point of
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cd:There is not doubt that the Law failed and we needed the help of the Holy Spirit to keep the Law-But you keep
cd wrote:
If it [flesh] was weak show me one biblical
account where it was weak-and we will
discuss that
David Miller wrote:
Here are two:
Matthew 4:2-3
(2) And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward
an
hungred.
(3) And when the tempter came to him, he said, If
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for
homosecuality
Judy wrote:
A body has no mind of it's own so it's our
nature that calls the shots and the
cd: You have made a good point and I accept that point-but due to the
direction I have seem this debate go understand why I push for more
detailed explanation of the statements that are made. The weakness could
have been view as the heathen are weak. Thanks
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This sign is one of the most ingenious signs I think I have ever made for
campus ministry. It provokes dialogue and debate like few others that I
have made. It has opened the mind of believers to realize the true
homosexual agenda as they hear the homosexuals present objecting only to
Heathens also buy houses and drive cars. If you do not have a sinful nature, Dean, then you do not need any outside help ... as in the Spirit. And if you reject the Spirit's influence (whether intentionally or not) what happens? You sin again. So that old man is still there - per Eph
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So many things wrong (IMO) with this essay.
1. Re: Isa 64:6 states a circumstance I believe we all share. But I believe this because of other considerations.
2. The Abrahamic promise applies to all who believe -- Romans 4:11 "...that he
David !!! Ingenious. I don't know. Seems a rather ambitious characterization concerning the creation of a two sided sign. God blessin your ministry.
jd
This sign is one of the most ingenious signs I think I have ever made for campus ministry. It provokes dialogue and debate like few
I am not sure as to your point. The quote from Lightfoot seems to make my point.
Judy's claim that the Passover is a sacrifice for the sins of Jewish children is so far off base as to be obviously errant. All the children of the heathens were reputed unclean by the Jews; and all their own
I do not believe in child evangelism.
jd
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I do not believe in child evangelism.
jd
cd: Thismakes mesad John.
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Heathens also buy houses and drive cars. If you do not have a sinful nature, Dean, then you do not need any
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Dean writes: . . . we were brought to His state as Christians.
And from this morning:Bill I hesitate to answer this as I am not
JD wrote:
I do not believe in child evangelism.
CD wrote:
This makes me sad John.
What makes this even more sad is the fact that children are the ones who
benefit the most by the kind of evangelism that John approves of.
David Miller
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Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned
CD wrote:
Sin is intentional-if the act is unintentional
there is no sin involved-similar to a young
Christian who hasn't been fully instructed-
God looks at the intent. The old saying that
The road to hell is paved by good intentions
is wrong.
I hope you rethink this one Dean.
Leviticus
Judy wrote:
The scriptures are not a biological treatise;
they are about Jesus Christ from Genesis
to Revelation and he only has a physical flesh
and blood body for a very short time 3 1/2
years to be exact
Now where do you get this idea, that Jesus only had a physical body for 3
1/2 years?
David Miller wrote:
Many of us know from the Bible that Jesus
went into the Temple several times and kicked
out the people who were buying and selling
animals for their sacrifices commanded by Torah.
Judy wrote:
I know of him doing it one time - where do you
find the several?
John
Where in NT scripture do you find the conversion of a single child?
A child is not lost, for starters -- so there is no need.
What child evangelism does is this -- it gives the adult church the false sense thatit is taking the gospel to the world. I wouldn't mind "child conversions" if there
See comments below
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Heathens also buy houses and drive cars. If you do not have a sinful nature, Dean, then you do
Do you speak of the "rebuking ministry?"
To imagine that a chld actually knows what he/she is doing when told to "raise your hands if you want to come into your life." Every kid in the house does it.
Sorry -- that is not evangelism. This exactly why we loose most of these kids by the time
You are a riot, Judy ! No one you know - not a single person you know, believes this statement:
Judy wrote: The scriptures are not a biological treatise; they are about Jesus Christ from Genesis to Revelation and he only has a physical flesh and blood body for a very short time 3 1/2 years
John wrote:
I wouldn't mind child conversions if there was
some kind of confirmation as they reached an
adult age.
I was converted at age 5. I consider my life confirmation, but maybe you
don't?
It is strange theology that espouses grace the way you do, but somehow you
don't believe
Take it easy, John. It probably was a typo. We'll see.
David Miller
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Yes , and James Dobson was converted at age TWO
-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John wrote: I wouldn't mind "child conversions" if there was some kind of confirmation as they reached an adult age. I was converted at age 5. I
Yes and James Dobson was "saved" at age TWO.No point in saving that which is not lost. Again -- there is not a single case of child evangelism in the NT scriptures. I think that to be significant as relates to this discussion.
jd
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Well, it is not like she dropeda vowl or inverted an endign
Judy -- my time with you has shown me just how important it is to share faith with other saints for the purpose of growth and understanding. David M wrote a wonderful paragraph just a day or two ago that included this thought (but
Thanks for this post. You do understand my concern? Socially speaking., the gay fellows can be most disgusting -- beyond what I care to describe.And, most in their community defend their outragious public behavior -- which was rather surprising to me when I realized this.
There is no doubt in
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So many things wrong (IMO) with this essay.
1. Re: Isa 64:6
John/Judy let keep this conversation on a impersonal level and use facts to prove our points not name calling.Thanks
We are having a changing of the guards yet again. :-) Perry has
been a bit busy, so Dean is taking over as moderator. Perry might help out
a little during the transition. Please respect Dean's judgment when he
acts as moderator. Thanks.
David Miller
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cd: Remember thatman wasconceived in sin. Hence the
need of a savior. I am not so sure that this is true after the ascension by J.
the B. parents were post ascension. That is another debate with would best wait
till these are concluded.
I will gladly respect your desire to hold off
John wrote:
... there is not a single case of child evangelism
in the NT scriptures. I think that to be significant
as relates to this discussion.
Even if your premise here were true, it would only be an argument from
silence that would not be very relevant. As it is, the Scriptures do
I have pointed this out before, and will repeat it again now. Romans 1 is
describing the homosexual when it mentions disobedience to parents. Read
the chapter again. These are all characteristics of the homosexual,
describing his character, and why God disapproves of the practice of
cd wrote:
David what is on the other side of you banner
and could you speak more about the Feminism
movement? Thanks.
The other side of the banner says, Help Prevent Homosexuality.
Feminism expresses itself in many forms. In this case, I'm talking about
the inability of men to discuss
cd: There remains the fact that the parent brought their children to Christ
we do the same thing in prayer today-and in church for worship- Even a
child can understand the simple gospel.
(13) Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put
his hands on them, and pray: and
David Miller wrote:
Dean brought up that he did not believe that
Jesus ever needed to attend school, nor would
he ever miss any questions on a test. I wonder
if you also believe this. Can you tell me if you
agree with him on this point?
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cd:
Actually all I
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cd: Remember thatman wasconceived in sin. Hence the need of a savior. I am not so sure that this is true after the ascension by J. the B.
This is as good a brief on this matter as I have read. I thought this point was especially good But because this relationship is not semetrical either, we do not have to give into that old man
We read, I read, others andthat reading I add those comments to what I already hold to be true. In
It may be "dualism," but it is notsymetrical, the evil
having equal power and equal authority to that of the good. The flesh of Christ
began an embryo and matured from there, the whole time fully united to the one
who spoke the universe into existence and held it together by the power of his
Once again, your scripture? I think I know which one, but my translation speak of those who "had not sinned after the order of Adam's."
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What does this mean -- Death ruled from Adam to Moseseven over those who had not sinned
Pat Robertson is on Fox, right now. he's an idiot !!
By the time he gets his foot out of mouth, I will be in the next life !!
jd
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Guess again, Judy. Just because you can count to two is no evidence that "dualism" has occurred. Dualism, when applied to human nature, is not a characteristic count. That Christ is wholly God and wholly Man is not a dualism.
jt:
Your choice of a racial slur for comparison causes me concern that you have perhaps been deceived into thinking that homosexuality is a racial issue, and that homosexuals are born the way the are. Do you think homosexuals need special protection from prejudicejust asotherminority ethnic groups
Hi Dean,
l. I do not believe the "rules" change after we are saved. I am not speaking of "initial" salvation. What gets me saved, keeps me saved. Works of law (obedience) is a RESPONSE to the Spirit's influence or obedience is no big deal, soteriologcally speaking -- if yoou know what I mean.
Oh, I have read the passage many times, David.
Chapter 1:32 individualizes each of the sins mentioned and applies them to any who practice such "things." Heis no longer speaking of homesexual behavior by the time he gets to verse 32.And, if one includes 2:1ff, there is little doubt that Paul
Yeah, Those cotton picken women. They are just too easily offended.
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cd: Remember thatman wasconceived in sin. Hence the
need of a savior. I am not so sure that this is true after the
cd: Yes I do Bill and I addressed this in another post to John today.
I evidently missed that one, Dean.Sorry about that. I was wondering if you also consider Zacharius and Elizabeth to have been been righteous and blameless before God. bt
Dean -- I also missed the post. Could you repost?
jd
And what is the difference between this and David's notion of perfectionism (as I call it, understanding, of course, that David means to include the Spirit.) A serious question -- not a criticism.
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This is as good a brief
the kind of evangelism that John approves of
DAVEH: Is that a typo? Did you instead mean to say.disapproves?
David Miller wrote:
JD wrote:
I do not believe in child evangelism.
CD wrote:
This makes me sad John.
What makes this
And it remains a mystery. I had asked DM waht he meant by the comment. No response.
jd
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