Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
arrassment? Rowan Williams is not embarrassed concerning our Lord ANYWHERE. He, not unlike many, are embarrassed over believers turning non-issues into 'issues'. (i.e. creationISM)- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: March 21, 2006 13

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Judy Taylor
Well what are you about Lance Muir Are you doing what God has called someone else to do? Are you criticizing what you think someone else is doing that God didn't tell them to do? Are you hearing God as to what he wants you to do? How do you know you are hearing God since noone can know truth

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread knpraise
e - > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: > Sent: March 22, 2006 13:44 > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > > David Miller wrote: > >>> Have you read Creation's Tiny > >>> Mystery, by Robert Gentry? &

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
>To: Sent: March 21, 2006 21:48Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism> If fundamental Christianity is a problem for you, of what spirit are you? > iz>> -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan>

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread knpraise
eldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> But it’s so much easier to sit on one’s tuffet and criticize the work of others. iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:25 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Truth

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread knpraise
Paul opposed the intolerant legalists in the church and so will I while, at the same time, writing the words of Romans 14.   He is one of my mentors  --  I will do the same.  A Rad Fundy is not defined by the words she reads but by the froth of mouth  as she "evangelizes" the lost.     If the

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread knpraise
Do you even know what this thread is about, Judy?   WHICH VIEW OF CREATIONISM GOES INTO THE SCHOOL CURRICULUM   --  HUH ??!!   Be sure to answer with "the right one, John -- duh !!" or will that be Linda's piece of intellectual contribuation for the day?    jd   -- Original message --

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread knpraise
Do you even know what this thread is about, Judy?   WHICH VIEW OF CREATIONISM GETS INTO THE CIRRICULUM  --   HUH  ???   -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So? There isn't a single fiew of the whole church that is agreed upon by the whole church e

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
I will give it a read, David. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 22, 2006 13:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David Miller wrote: Have you read Creation's Tiny Mystery, by Robert Gentry? L

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
Iz:You slipped! David agreed with this 'hair-splitting' as you call it. Do you wish to apologize to your mentor? - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 22, 2006 14:21 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creati

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
About as much as your husband's patients have learned from his care, Iz. - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 22, 2006 14:44 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism What would anyone learn from all the t

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
Operative _expression_ 'what they believe God has called them to do'? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 14:24 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Let me get this straigh

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
But it’s so much easier to sit on one’s tuffet and criticize the work of others. iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:25 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
What would anyone learn from all the tomes you've suggested over the years, Lance??? iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:18 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTal

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
The problem is when any belief held by a fundamental Christian is labeled "Fundamentalism". izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:28 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Judy Taylor
Let me get this straight JD. By Rad Fundies you are talking about people who believe Genesis as it is written - Right??   PS What is wrong with the Carroll Dean's and the Pat Robertsons of this world? You may have to eat those words one day because both are busy about what they believe God ha

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Judy Taylor
So? There isn't a single fiew of the whole church that is agreed upon by the whole church either.  What does that prove?    judyt   On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 01:27:56 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps the Bishop has the same concerns I do.   I know this  --  there isn't a single view

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
Only in your hair-splitting mentality. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 7:03 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Iz:Fundamental Christianity

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread knpraise
It is a shame we will not be able to finish this thread, I suppose,   but I must say something here  --   the conflict  (speaking for myself) is not between science and religion.   It is between religion and fundamentalism  (radical fundamentalism, if you will.)   Knowing that the first step will

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: >> Have you read Creation's Tiny >> Mystery, by Robert Gentry? Lance wrote: > No, I've not but, what would I learn > were I to do so, David? I'm glad you asked. There are several things you would learn: 1. You would learn about the evidence for polonium halos indicating tha

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
No, I've not but, what would I learn were I to do so, David? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 22, 2006 10:50 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Lance wrote: One's time would be better spe

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > One's time would be better spent reading > some noteworthy novelists than noteworthy > creationists. Lift up Jesus and, creationISM, > will fall away as it should. I can't say that I agree with you here. Have you read Creation's Tiny Mystery, by Robert Gentry? David Miller -

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > Fundamental Christianity is [fine]... > FundamentalISM ought not be > believed by anyone. FWIW: I can appreciate this distinction Lance makes. David Miller -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
one to you and, what you now do to others.Yikes! Yikes! Yikes (that'd be triple yikes) - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 22, 2006 10:25 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Lance wrote: If Williams is a

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > If Williams is a 'liberal loonie' then > you are a 'sectarian loonie' , David. I'm sectarian only in the sense that the holy and the profane ought to be separate. I am not sectarian within the group of those who have submitted unto Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Lance wr

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
you agnostic as to Dr. McGrath's credentials and his teaching on both science & theology? How is it that one could not appreciate your scholarship on this? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 22, 2006 09:45 Subject: R

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread David Miller
vid Miller - Original Message - From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David: I'll take a pass on the ad-homs in your post as they simply illustrate what I've said

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
ECTED]> To: Sent: March 22, 2006 08:39 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David Miller wrote: I hate it when theologians are embarrassed of giving glory to the Creator in school. Lance wrote: You do KNOW, do you not David, that that's NOT the source of his embarra

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: >> I hate it when theologians are embarrassed >> of giving glory to the Creator in school. Lance wrote: > You do KNOW, do you not David, that > that's NOT the source of his embarrassment? > Rowan Williams is not embarrassed concerning > our Lord ANYWHERE. He, not unlike many, >

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
r believers turning non-issues into 'issues'. (i.e. creationISM)- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: March 21, 2006 13:12Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism> Yup is right, but how does he get from this thought to

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
08:00 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism There is room for us to have different perspectives about how God created, but none of us should disagree with the notion that God is the Creator.  To suggest that schools not teach even the possibility that God is the Creator

[TruthTalk] Fw: TT's future?

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Taylor To: Lance Muir Sent: March 21, 2006 14:34 Subject: Re: TT's future? Hi Lance,   You may forward this onto the group at TT. I want to wish the best to everyone of you and am confident that we will meet again on the other side. TruthTalk was a big

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
Iz:Fundamental Christianity is that which John believes. FundamentalISM ought not be believed by anyone. - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 21, 2006 21:48 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism If fundamen

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread David Miller
about this or that you would defend this Bishop.  Deception is the only word for it.   David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTal

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
avid Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 21, 2006 15:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism John wrote: > The world in which we live would reject > any mention of God in the evolutionary process,  > IMO.   But  creationism in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 21, 2006 13:12 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Yup is right, but how does he get from this thought to the idea that creationism should not be considered in schools? I hate it when theologians ar

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
DeeganSent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:21 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   Whom do you ask the guys who think DM & Judy are Fundies?ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If fundamental Christianity is a problem for you, of wha

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
Anyone who has a problem with it. iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:21 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   Whom do you ask the guys who think

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
, March 21, 2006 4:15 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on CreationismDM says In case you did not notice, the fundamentalists are not causingthe acknowledgement of our Creator to be forbidden in schools. It isthe liberal loonies like this Archbishop of Canterbu

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
If fundamental Christianity is a problem for you, of what spirit are you? iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:15 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-21 Thread knpraise
Well  ---  I really do not know his reasoning..  hence the wording "perhaps " I have a friend, a math teacher in high school.   He had to teach biology for a semester.   He decided he was put his career on the line and make a statement , in class,  that was pro-creation.   Befo

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
JD says Perhaps the Bishop has the same concerns I do.   He too is afraid of fundamentalists? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Perhaps the Bishop has the same concerns I do.   I know this  --  there isn't a single view of creationism that is agreed upon by the whole church.     jd   -

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-21 Thread knpraise
Perhaps the Bishop has the same concerns I do.   I know this  --  there isn't a single view of creationism that is agreed upon by the whole church.     jd       -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John wrote: > The world in which we live wou

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
DM says In case you did not notice, the fundamentalists are not causing the acknowledgement of our Creator to be forbidden in schools. It is the liberal loonies like this Archbishop of Canterbury who are doing this. Some around here are concerned that there are "FUNDIES" lurking around every keyb

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-21 Thread David Miller
John wrote: > The world in which we live would reject > any mention of God in the evolutionary process,  > IMO.   But  creationism in the schools?   Could > that not be considered the beginnings of a fanatical > fundamentalist take-over of the culture? ROTFLOL.  I sure hope you were being

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-21 Thread David Miller
#x27; Sent: March 21, 2006 12:15 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism "And for most of the history of Christianity ... there's been an awareness that a belief that everything depends on the creative act of God is quite compatible with a degree of uncertainty or latitude abou

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-21 Thread knpraise
  The world in which we live would reject any mention of God in the evolutionary process,  IMO.   But  creationism in the schools?   Could that not be considered the beginnings of a fanatical fundamentalist take-over of the culture?    But to allow a mere  statement that suggests God is somehow in

Fw: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-21 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 21, 2006 12:15 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism "And for most of the history of Christianity ... there's been an awareness that a belief that everything depends on the

[TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-21 Thread Lance Muir
   - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: Lance Muir Sent: March 21, 2006 10:45 Subject: Williams on Creationism http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/03/21/britain.williams.ap/index.html   Jonathan Hughes Supervisor of Application Support Kingsway Financial 905-629-7888

[TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: understanding, believing, knowing, doing

2006-03-21 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: David Peck To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 21, 2006 10:01 Subject: RE: Fw: understanding, believing, knowing, doing This seems dangerously close to analytic philosophy and you know how I feel about that…I tried to call you yesterday, but you had already

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: [Wrightsaid] Digest Number 1245

2006-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
'All the better to paint you with', Little Red Riding Hood! - Original Message - From: "Kevin Deegan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 20, 2006 11:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: [Wrightsaid] Digest Number 1245 My what a Broad Brush you have! --- La

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: [Wrightsaid] Digest Number 1245

2006-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
My what a Broad Brush you have! --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > RE: [Wrightsaid] Digest Number 1245 > - Original Message - > From: Debbie Sawczak > To: 'Lance Muir' > Sent: March 19, 2006 14:24 > Subject: RE: [Wrightsaid] Digest Number 1245 > > > I took note of the follow

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: and now

2006-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
I'm curious, Judy. Have you read 1984 by George Orwell? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 20, 2006 08:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: and now Strange friend you have Lance; she has her own definition

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: and now

2006-03-20 Thread Judy Taylor
Strange friend you have Lance; she has her own definitions for everything.  If something false that sounds logical is the criteria then we should begin to censure everyone who speaks the truth, it sure would be a lot less work for the moderator.  1984 has arrived.   On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:43:

[TruthTalk] Fw: [Wrightsaid] Digest Number 1245

2006-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
Title: RE: [Wrightsaid] Digest Number 1245   - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 19, 2006 14:24 Subject: RE: [Wrightsaid] Digest Number 1245 I took note of the following: Ian noted from Wrights response to Barnett: >> >> > declare that if the Ref

[TruthTalk] Fw: but of course

2006-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 19, 2006 16:02 Subject: but of course that makes 80% of the communication on TT, from all quarters, ad hom rather than actual argument. We all do it.   D --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AV

[TruthTalk] Fw: and now

2006-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 19, 2006 15:56 Subject: and now sectarianism. Is nobody safe from your ignorance and bigotry?   DM has never really understood what an ad hominem is. It has nothing to do with rudeness. All ad homs, as a form

[TruthTalk] Fw: It just SEEMS patronizing!

2006-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
Title: It just SEEMS patronizing!   - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 19, 2006 15:37 Subject: It just SEEMS patronizing! …this of DM's, to "Don't-confuse-me-with-the-facts" Lance: I could be wrong, but as best I can tell, in theological circles

[TruthTalk] Fw: having finished V's postmodernism lecture

2006-03-16 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 15, 2006 22:14 Subject: having finished V's postmodernism lecture I mentioned the relational bit in my reply to your forwarded Wrightsaid post. For the rest: having been able to listen to it in context, and w

[TruthTalk] Fw: A few lines from Gilead

2006-03-16 Thread Lance Muir
Title: A few lines from Gilead   - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 15, 2006 21:41 Subject: A few lines from Gilead I am currently reading it, and it's wonderful. In case you don't know or have forgotten, it's a letter written by a dying father,

[TruthTalk] Fw: PALM Alert!

2006-03-16 Thread Lance Muir
Title: PALM Report Vol 4 Issue 9   - Original Message - From: Bruce Fligg PALM Ministries To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 16, 2006 07:52 Subject: PALM Alert! PALM Alert! Lifting up Mississauga in Prayer John 17:21 May they be brought to complete unity PALM -Pray ALways Missis

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Dylan

2006-03-15 Thread ttxpress
..yo DaveH, send this to Bob & ask him where he got the idea:) On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:22:43 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   "..There's always some new stranger sneakin' glancesSome trigger-happy fool willin' to take chancesAnd some old whore from San Pedro to make advancesAdvance

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux

2006-03-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Thanks for your example of as you say "a carnal reply"   Now that I see your response I am a BELIEVER!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  An example of a carnal reply.  Does anyone doubt the sincerity of Linda's faith  --  yet we have something that could not sound more worldly.  I think this

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux

2006-03-15 Thread knpraise
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:26 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux     An example of a carnal reply.  Does anyone doubt the sincerity of Linda's faith  --  yet we have something that could not sound m

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux

2006-03-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux     An example of a carnal reply.  Does anyone doubt the sincerity of Linda's faith  --  yet we have something that could not sound more worldly.  I think this has to do with I Cor 3:1ff.    jd   Doesn’t

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux

2006-03-15 Thread knpraise
  An example of a carnal reply.  Does anyone doubt the sincerity of Linda's faith  --  yet we have something that could not sound more worldly.  I think this has to do with I Cor 3:1ff.    jd   Doesn’t that prove that 60 Minutes doesn’t know a __ thing? iz

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux

2006-03-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Doesn’t that prove that 60 Minutes doesn’t know a __ thing? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:11 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux   Because I

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux

2006-03-15 Thread Judy Taylor
BE WARNED!!!   On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:21:33 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps only the definition of sin exists in the abstract.   We I speak of "hating the sin" I only mean that I am displeased with the effects sin is having on his person.    I think it a perversion to hate the a

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux

2006-03-15 Thread Judy Taylor
NO Jd Some of us believe the scriptural account which teaches us that as a person He was "begotten" not made The word JD is "monogenes" and it means one of a kind and different from the rest of us who were conceived in in sin and iniquity.   YES Jd He did die unjustly and if you believe the s

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux

2006-03-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
How can you relate the two was Job and now Zacchaeus a FORNICATOR also?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "'Lance Muir'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: March 15, 2006 08:20Su

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux

2006-03-15 Thread knpraise
    Great post.   I would include David's response but I am still working on his comments.   Perhaps only the definition of sin exists in the abstract.   We I speak of "hating the sin" I only mean that I am displeased with the effects sin is having on his person.    I think it a perversion to ha

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux

2006-03-15 Thread Dave Hansen
Because I believe that homosexuality is preventable and curable. DAVEH:   Did you/anybody happen to watch 60 MINUTES a few days ago?   It had a very interesting segment on homosexuality.   And as I understood the story, they seemed to be neutral in their examination.which was inconclusive

Fw: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Lance Muir'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: March 15, 2006 08:20 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux My, that was fast! I guess we have to take his word for it. I

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux

2006-03-15 Thread David Miller
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:31 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 14, 2006 22:04 Subject: excerpt redux Lance, I was just printing out the next raw chapter (on "Two Kinds

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux

2006-03-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Lance's friend writes: It's Q&A, and the point I was noticing was that sin has no existence apart from sinners   What about the angels who sinned and are held in chains of darkness - are they persons also?  And BTW what is personhood anyway?  Last time I looked angels were ministering spi

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux

2006-03-15 Thread Judy Taylor
For someone whose expertise is with words Lance, your friend sure plays fast and loose with them. Nowhere does scripture say "Christ became sin or a sinner" - Remember?  He was "begotten not made, of one substance with the Father" - so even Orthodoxy disputes her thesis.    It was on the cr

[TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 14, 2006 22:04 Subject: excerpt redux Lance, I was just printing out the next raw chapter (on "Two Kinds of Righteousness" and "A Meditation on Christ's Passion") in preparation for editing, and my eye lit on

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Praise The Lord!   No I am not leaving.Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Man this is where the rubber meets the roadDAVEH:   Does that mean you are leaving TT, Kevin???PTLDAVEH:   Please define.  (I did not find it in the INNGLORY list of acronyms.)Kevin Deegan wrote: I am sure this is gonna hel

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
ve him for breakfast at whim. Calvinism has bound his mind and prevented truth from entering in-But if he ever got over that he would indeed be a Philosopher to reckon with-but as is he is only a babe in Christ.- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
and, David Miller. (honourable mention to the dearly departed: Debbie, Caroline and Jonathan) Lastly, the demeanour of Dave Hansen is a model that IFO appreciate.- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 11, 2006 06:38 Subject: Re: [

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Dylan

2006-03-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
The lesson we all must learn to grow up in Christ, for sure. iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:32 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Dylan

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Dylan

2006-03-12 Thread Judy Taylor
Timely reminder KD I've just been reading the testimony of another "music star" and his wife, one who struggled to free himself and their marriage from his addiction to pornography.  The wife wrote: Whenever we traveled, I was a sucker for magazines that had stories with titles such as "10 W

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Dylan

2006-03-12 Thread ttxpress
"..There's always some new stranger sneakin' glancesSome trigger-happy fool willin' to take chancesAnd some old whore from San Pedro to make advancesAdvances on your spirit and your soul.   The businessmen from Taos want you to go downThey've hired Pat Garrett to force a showdown._Billy_, do

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Dylan

2006-03-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 11, 2006 22:35 Subject: Dylan

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Blue Man Group

2006-03-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:05 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: Blue Man Group     - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent

[TruthTalk] Fw: Dylan

2006-03-12 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 11, 2006 22:35 Subject: Dylan Watching the Dylan documentary reminded me how much I like that music. Not just Dylan but Pete Seeger (what a wonderful voice!), Woody Guthrie, Joan Baez. On the way downtown Fri

[TruthTalk] Fw: Blue Man Group

2006-03-12 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 11, 2006 22:20 Subject: Blue Man Group Like I said, it was amazing. (I told you I was prepared to dislike it, but behind the advance guard I put up sometimes, my mind is usually open. Sancho Panza comes back

[TruthTalk] Fw: Stone Reader

2006-03-12 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 11, 2006 21:06 Subject: Stone Reader I liked it. I was going to say I loved it, but then I realized that what I loved wasn’t it but the ideas and impressions it evoked in me—especially the memory of the expe

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-11 Thread Dave
Man this is where the rubber meets the road DAVEH:   Does that mean you are leaving TT, Kevin??? PTL DAVEH:   Please define.  (I did not find it in the INNGLORY list of acronyms.) Kevin Deegan wrote: I am sure this is gonna help me be a better christian TODAY! Man this is where the rub

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-11 Thread knpraise
Judy,  since you have decided not to answer my questoins about intellect,  I was wondering if you would take time to present Calvin's words that gave rise to Bill's discussion below.   I know Bill rather well  so your observation is of interest to me.    jd   -- Original message -

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-11 Thread Dean Moore
Patience John I will honor you request soon-but at the moment my schedule is full.     - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/11/2006 11:30:11 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-11 Thread knpraise
age - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/11/2006 7:06:22 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM Judy: Bill's 'concept of humanity' is biblical. IFF it in any way concur

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-11 Thread knpraise
Your discontent is duly noted.    jd   -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> She is not claiming any such thing, the victory always belongs to Christ and those who say what He says. You obviously have not read the "whole archives" JD.  She did jus

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-11 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/11/2006 7:06:22 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM Judy: Bill's 'concept of humanity' is biblical. IF

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
No more than his “pains” us, Lance. iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 6:06 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-11 Thread Lance Muir
e Hansen is a model that IFO appreciate. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 11, 2006 06:38 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-11 Thread Judy Taylor
She is not claiming any such thing, the victory always belongs to Christ and those who say what He says. You obviously have not read the "whole archives" JD.  She did just what she said and the amazing thing (to me) was that Bill stuck around at least until this point. But this did not exhau

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-11 Thread knpraise
Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, March 10, 2006 11:02 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM   FYI: Izzy, Judy, Kevin & Dean.   THANKS TO THE BISHOP FOR THIS FINE WORK!     - Origina

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
10, 2006 11:02 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM   FYI: Izzy, Judy, Kevin & Dean.   THANKS TO THE BISHOP FOR THIS FINE WORK!     - Original Mes

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
I am sure this is gonna help me be a better christian TODAY! Man this is where the rubber meets the road. PTL!Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: FYI: Izzy, Judy, Kevin & Dean.  THANKS TO THE BISHOP FOR THIS FINE WORK!   - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lance M

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