Click the links for scans of the documents BalaineKevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"He called me by name, and said unto me that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me, and that his name was Nephi." Millennial Star, vol. 3, p. 53 (1842)
"Again, when we read the history of
"He called me by name, and said unto me that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me, and that his name was Nephi." Millennial Star, vol. 3, p. 53 (1842)
"Again, when we read the history of our beloved brother, Joseph Smith, and of the glorious ministry and message of the angel N
DAVEH: FWIW.No one on the other forum responded to my question.
David Miller wrote:
Perry wrote:
I am afraid running the question of whether JS
was baptised a Baptist through a LDS forum
will only get you the answer you want instead
of the truth.
Perhaps, but I
BLAINE: Hmm, maybe you ought to print the version with NEPHI as the angel,
Kevin, along with a source. I don't seem to find it in my book along with all
the others. (:
Why was there NO account UNTIL 1832 and it did not even have 2 personages in it
just an Angel NEPHI
Is that added informat
Why was there NO account UNTIL 1832 and it did not even have 2 personages in it just an Angel NEPHI
Is that added information or something to be removed in a LATER version?
Technically not a contradiction just a small problem that can be excised by some revision & editing."[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAI
Kevin wrote:
The First vision is dated 1820. I am sure you are aware of the many different
versions
BLAINE: I am fully aware of the different versions. No contradictions,
however, although they sometimes add information not present in other versions.
Some versions are not from Joseph, but
DAVEH: Hey Kevin.Now you are stepping on my lines. :-D
Kevin Deegan wrote:
LOL do you see any problems with the whole mess?
I refer to the First Vision not TT
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Blaine wrote:
Blaine wrote:
> ... where does it say he was baptized, or
> even wanted to be? Sounds like he was
> just a member of a class, and wanted to
> attend, for unknown reasons, and they got
> downright mean and ornery with him--
You are confusing two different situations. Joseph Smith's father tells o
LOL do you see any problems with the whole mess?
I refer to the First Vision not TTDave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Blaine wrote:
I see nothing wrong in him showing a continuing interest in this church, as a member of a class only! In fact, I believe if I were not
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Blaine wrote:
I see nothing wrong in him showing a continuing interest in this
church, as a member of a class only! In fact, I believe if I were not a
Mormon, I would be a Methodist. . . (:
KD Why did joe join a class at a Church
God said
Kevin wrote:As a young man he participated in Methodist meetings, and later joined a Methodist church class in 1828BLAINE: I am glad we fiinally got this straight, that JS only joined a class not the Methodist Church itself!! You guys keep trying to make a mountain out of a molehill on this point
Kevin wrote:
As a young man he participated in Methodist meetings, and later joined a
Methodist church class in 1828
BLAINE: I am glad we fiinally got this straight, that JS only joined a class
not the Methodist Church itself!! You guys keep trying to make a mountain out
of a molehill on thi
No look at the time line 1828 NO BoM yet No Church yet
Just the Necromancy that was a issue.
The fist vision was not even in print yet!
No partial stories in the paper yet either!
That is why he was invovled in the Methodist chuch he had not invented Mormonism yet."[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROT
BLAINE: David said he had been "baptized" a member. I think he was just
attending a class, and they tried to get him to commit to becoming a
full-fledged member. That would have been a real trophy for the minister if he
had succeeded in getting Joseph Smith to recant, huh?
When your na
He disobeyed God 1820 You must Join none of them
in 1828. Why?"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
BLAINE: Pardoname, but where does it say he was baptized, or even wanted to be? Sounds like he was just a member of a class, and wanted to attend, for unknown reasons, and they got downright
BLAINE: Pardoname, but where does it say he was baptized, or even wanted to
be? Sounds like he was just a member of a class, and wanted to attend, for
unknown reasons, and they got downright mean and ornery with him--
These events occured 8 years after Joe was supposedly told not to join
Perry wrote:
> I am afraid running the question of whether JS
> was baptised a Baptist through a LDS forum
> will only get you the answer you want instead
> of the truth.
Perhaps, but I would be very interested to hear what response he gets. :-)
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
--
"L
When your name is on the roll you are a member.
The troubling part is this was in 1828 long after the first vision command to join none!"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
BLAINE: I ecall this being discussed. What I recall is something about JS being reproved by a Baptist minister, who
falsity
of Mormonism...we are outside the LDS box.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Classification
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:49:34 -0800
David Miller wrote:
David Miller wrote:
These events occured 8 years after Joe was supposedly told not to join them
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/josephsmithmethodist.htm
Mormon Enigma: Emma Hale Smith, by Linda K. Newell and Valeen T. Avery, University of Illinois Press, 1994, p.25.
"They told him plainly that such character as
Kevin wrote:
> I with Joshua McKune, a local preacher at the time,
> I think in June, 1828, heard on Saturday that Joe
> Smith had joined the church ...
Thanks for digging up some info on this, Kevin. This church you mention
here was Harmony Methodist Episcopal Church. Smith joined it right af
BOXED EARShttp://www.boap.org/LDS/Early-Saints/LUJohnson.html"A Baptist Clergyman from the state of New York, who had been acquainted with the Prophet Joseph in his early life, called upon him and staid [stayed] all night. Joseph made the minister welcome, and treated him hospitably and respectfull
Blaine wrote:
> What I recall is something about JS being reproved
> by a Baptist minister, whose church JS had been
> attending with his sister. JS was not baptised as
> I recall, he just had his name put on the rolls by
> the minister, then had it taken off again later on.
That was a different
BLAINE: I ecall this being discussed. What I recall is something about JS
being reproved by a Baptist minister, whose church JS had been attending with
his sister. JS was not baptised as I recall, he just had his name put on the
rolls by the minister, then had it taken off again later on.
David Miller wrote:
David Miller wrote:
There would be a historical reason.
Joseph Smith was baptized a Protestant
(Baptist), ...
Dave Hansen wrote:
Where did you come up with that, DavidM?
Don't you remember me raising this point som
David Miller wrote:
>> There would be a historical reason.
>> Joseph Smith was baptized a Protestant
>> (Baptist), ...
Dave Hansen wrote:
> Where did you come up with that, DavidM?
Don't you remember me raising this point some years ago here on TruthTalk?
I read this in, "Joseph Smith and the Or
Joe joined the Methodist Church after the First vision, to which most Mormons will protest & squeal loudly.Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
David Miller wrote:
*note changed subject line
Gary wrote:
there's no reason to think of Mormonism
as derived from Protestantism
There would be
David Miller wrote:
*note changed subject line
Gary wrote:
there's no reason to think of Mormonism
as derived from Protestantism
There would be a historical reason. Joseph Smith was baptized a Protestant
(Baptist),
DAVEH: ??? Where did you come up with that, Dav
*note changed subject line
Gary wrote:
> there's no reason to think of Mormonism
> as derived from Protestantism
There would be a historical reason. Joseph Smith was baptized a Protestant
(Baptist), and affiliated closely with Methodist Bible Studies and worship
services. His family was Presb
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