Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 5/31/2005 6:19:18 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please don’t quote B.M. to me.  It means nothing as it was written by a crafty, adulterous man named Joseph Smith.  Izzy  I won't!  (Not unless I see something that really is unsettling to all yo

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread Charles Perry Locke
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:19:13 EDT I agree, Izzy, and by now you should know that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches enduring to the end IN CHRIST

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread Kevin Deegan
ghter. Joe tried it all, he was a PERVERT who liked little girls.    ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please don’t quote B.M. to me.  It means nothing as it was written by a crafty, adulterous man named Joseph Smith.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread Kevin Deegan
neither do they desire that she should rule over them. (BoM,  Mosiah 8:20-21)  Who is SHE? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, Izzy, and by now you should know that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches enduring to the end IN CHRIST--only.  You have unfortunately fallen under the

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH   I agree, Izzy, and by now you should know that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches enduring to the end IN CHRIST--only.  You have unfortunately fallen under the very bad influence of  those blind guides who teach the traditions and

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread Blainerb473
I agree, Izzy, and by now you should know that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches enduring to the end IN CHRIST--only.  You have unfortunately fallen under the very bad influence of  those blind guides who teach the traditions and commandments of men, mixed with a few s

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:   The problem as I see it, who is the arbiter of truth on TT, Izzy.  Is there anybody here you would say expounds nothing but truth?ShieldsFamily wrote: Only to condemn those who heard the truth but did not heed it. Iz DAVEH

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread Kevin Deegan
html   BUT then there is that nasty problem with failed prophecies! http://www.irr.org/mit/jsfalpro.html - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 09:11 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:   The problem as I see it,

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread Terry Clifton
- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 09:11 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:   The problem as I see it, who is the arbiter of truth on TT, Izzy.  Is there anybody

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread Lance Muir
There is not, of course but, I should like to hear from everyone on this question. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 09:11 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:   The problem as I see it

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   The problem as I see it, who is the arbiter of truth on TT, Izzy.  Is there anybody here you would say expounds nothing but truth? ShieldsFamily wrote: Only to condemn those who heard the truth but did not heed it. Iz DAVEH:    Do you suppose enduring to the end of T

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
Only to condemn those who heard the truth but did not heed it. Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave HansenSent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:19 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:    Do you suppose enduring to the

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-30 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:    Do you suppose enduring to the end of TT would qualify!   ;-) ShieldsFamily wrote: No.  You must endure to the end “in Christ”.  Enduring to the end in JSmith doesn’t cut it.  Sorry. Iz   DAVEH:  I appreciate your concern for my eternal we

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-30 Thread knpraise
[Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH John, you certainly are easily entertained! Perhaps you should get out a little more!  What else can I say? Izzy opened the door, Lance only walked through it.  >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglo

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-30 Thread Charles Perry Locke
: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 17:16:15 -0400 When we speak of the Great Dance -- we can call this sort of activity the Legalist Shuffle !! Dripping with ad hom and no one can prove a thing awesome. Did I say "ad hom?" What ad hom

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-30 Thread knpraise
the North Country.    Ca  B  ---out!! -Original Message-From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 30 May 2005 13:07:12 -0400Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH I suspected as much but, feared repri

RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
I suspected you suspected as much. Thanks. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Monday, May 30, 2005 11:07 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH I suspected as much but, feared reprisal

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-30 Thread Lance Muir
I suspected as much but, feared reprisal from our new moderator for saying so. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 30, 2005 12:52 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH No.  I’m really

RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
No.  I’m really that stupid.  Duh.    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 7:07 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH   Ahhh but, that's exactly wha

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-30 Thread Lance Muir
hTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH   DAVEH:  I appreciate your concern for my eternal welfare, Izzy.  Would it be OK with you if I first endure to the end before getting saved, as the Savior suggested?ShieldsFamily wrote: I vote for (4) Get saved and t

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
No.  You must endure to the end “in Christ”.  Enduring to the end in JSmith doesn’t cut it.  Sorry. Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 11:36 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread Dave
DAVEH:  I appreciate your concern for my eternal welfare, Izzy.  Would it be OK with you if I first endure to the end before getting saved, as the Savior suggested? ShieldsFamily wrote: I vote for (4) Get saved and talk about the REAL Jesus! J Izzy   --

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Izzy, Since I know others on TT have contributed, I intentionally used the indefinite "who... may not have otherwise given it a second thought" to exclude them. From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: Subject: RE: [Trut

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
Perry, please keep in mind that it was "I" who exposed the Mormon underwear thingy. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 2:25 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthT

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
I vote for (4) Get saved and talk about the REAL Jesus! J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 4:24 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH   DAVEH:  I appreciate your kind

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread Dave
DAVEH:  I appreciate your kind words, DavidM.   And, my pain was punctuated with a big old laughing smiley, so I really didn't think you were trying to draw blood while you had the knife plunged to the hilt.at least you weren't twisting it!   :-)     I hadn't planned on changing the way

[TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread Judy Taylor
I've appreciated the Mormon dialogues and have found some of these definitions really interesting. I don't know whether I have shared this before but when we were stationed in Newfoundland I met the nicest little local girl who was red hot for Jesus.  She was a convert out of the rcc who con

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread Dave
DAVEH:   My reasons for posting my reply to Perry's private comments on TT was to show that there may be reason for both of us having the views we do without either of us needing to be shown to be lying.  As I now believe, I think Perry simply misunderstood something I posted some time ago, and

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread knpraise
I understand.   My remarks went more to syle than substnce.   I do think David is about to convert.   Jd  -Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:25:16 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Ac

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread Charles Perry Locke
ubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 08:08:32 -0400 Well, what do we learn here? That David prefers Dave. Sorry Perry - I did have to laugh a little at this one. JD -Original Message- From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org S

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread David Miller
DAVEH: > Ouuch!!! What are you trying to do > to me, DavidMstab me in the back? You are > just feeding more fuel to fire Perry's argument > :-D Sorry about that Dave. I just wanted you to know that I appreciate the quotes from Mormon Scriptures and the time you take to ex

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread knpraise
--  but neither do I questioned Perry's.    JD -Original Message-From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Sun, 29 May 2005 09:11:22 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:   Hmm...I've got a bit different perspective of

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread Dave
ere?  That David prefers Dave.  Sorry Perry - I did have to laugh a little at this one.  JD    -Original Message- From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sun, 29 May 2005 02:22:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH In rega

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread knpraise
Well, what do we learn here?  That David prefers Dave.  Sorry Perry - I did have to laugh a little at this one.  JD  -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 29 May 2005 02:22:51 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs Dave

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-29 Thread Lance Muir
els) or that the earth is flat or not, such belief(s) will find themselves into all of our human interactions. Is this not so? - Original Message - From: Dave To: Charles Perry Locke ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 29, 2005 01:43 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Perry v

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-28 Thread Dave
DAVEH: Ouuch!!! What are you trying to do to me, DavidMstab me in the back? You are just feeding more fuel to fire Perry's argument :-D BTWWhat are you doing up so late? Don't you know it is going to make you miss Sunday School tomorrow! :-) Davi

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-28 Thread David Miller
In regards to the Perry / Dave exchange, I would like to say that I greatly appreciate Dave's participation on TruthTalk. I have learned a lot about Mormonism because of his presence here. I have read dozens of books and studied numerous aspects of Mormonism because of his posts. I have appr

[TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-28 Thread Dave
DAVEH:  Note to all TTers.Please do not read my reply if you are tired of this discussion/disagreement between Perry and me.   I will change the subject line to make it easy for you to delete any further discussions between us without reading them.    Perry posted this to me off-line, and y

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry wrote:

2004-03-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Matthew 17:11; Mark 9:12 From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry wrote: Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:16:50 -0700 Blaine: How about the passages you said were in Mathew and Luke about El

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry wrote:

2004-03-18 Thread Blaine Borrowman
the > Bible, then my assertion about it's fictional nature stands. > > Perry > > > >From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry wrote: > >

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry wrote:

2004-03-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
ure stands. Perry From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry wrote: Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:54:37 -0700 Blaine: Aha! Just as I suspected--you are unwilling to support your accusation tha

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry wrote:

2004-03-18 Thread Blaine Borrowman
. - Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:40 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry wrote: > Okay, I will start with the whole book. Your turn. > > > >From: "Blaine

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry wrote:

2004-03-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
ou believe there are some true parts in it, other than obvious parts of the Bible restated, then feel free to present them along with your proof. Perry From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry wrote:

2004-03-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Okay, I will start with the whole book. Your turn. From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "TT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [TruthTalk] Perry wrote: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:34:39 -0700 Perry wrote:DavidM, would you go

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry wrote:

2004-03-18 Thread elextech
  How about discussing that celestial marriage stuff? Maybe that would make a good discussion.   vincent j fulton       On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:34:39 -0700 "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Perry wrote:DavidM, would you go to the BoM to learn about Jesus?> > No, you would

[TruthTalk] Perry wrote:

2004-03-17 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Perry wrote:DavidM, would you go to the BoM to learn about Jesus?> > No, you would go there to learn about the heresies of> > the Mormons.   Blaine:  Care to discuss some specific heresies from the BoM Perry?

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