RE: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-04 Thread ietfdbh
Hi, What is QUIC? Is there a draft? David Harrington ietf...@comcast.net +1-603-828-1401 > -Original Message- > From: tsv-area-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:tsv-area-boun...@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Martin Stiemerling > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 2:48 AM > To: tsv-area@ietf.org > Subject:

RE: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-04 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 4 Jul 2013, ietfdbh wrote: Hi, What is QUIC? Is there a draft? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RNHkx_VvKWyWg6Lr8SZ-saqsQx7rFV-ev2jRFUoVD34/preview?sle=true http://blog.chromium.org/2013/06/experimenting-with-quic.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QUIC -- Mikael Abrahamssonema

Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-04 Thread Joe Touch
A link to a draft would be useful. A slot should not be granted if there isn't a draft. Joe On 7/4/2013 8:10 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Thu, 4 Jul 2013, ietfdbh wrote: Hi, What is QUIC? Is there a draft? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RNHkx_VvKWyWg6Lr8SZ-saqsQx7rFV-ev2jRFUoVD34

Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-04 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 4 Jul 2013, Joe Touch wrote: A slot should not be granted if there isn't a draft. Why? Is there some really important principle I'm missing here? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RNHkx_VvKWyWg6Lr8SZ-saqsQx7rFV-ev2jRFUoVD34/preview?sle=true Yes, I'm sure this document could be refo

RE: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-05 Thread Jose Saldana
Hi, Martin. Regarding the "Online Games Tutorial", Mirko and I are adjusting the presentation in order to spend just 45 minutes. We have received some interesting suggestions after announcing it in the IETF87attendees mailing list. We think we will show and capture the traffic of 3 different games

Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-05 Thread Martin Stiemerling
On 07/05/2013 09:24 AM, Jose Saldana wrote: Hi, Martin. Regarding the "Online Games Tutorial", Mirko and I are adjusting the presentation in order to spend just 45 minutes. We have received some interesting suggestions after announcing it in the IETF87attendees mailing list. We think we will s

Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-05 Thread Martin Stiemerling
Hi Joe, On 07/05/2013 02:37 AM, Joe Touch wrote: A link to a draft would be useful. There is no draft but this is of interest to the transport community at large. And it is tentative right now as we do not know if there will be this presentation, i.e., waiting for the confirmation. A slo

RE: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-05 Thread l.wood
tsv-area@ietf.org Subject: Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded A link to a draft would be useful. A slot should not be granted if there isn't a draft. Joe On 7/4/2013 8:10 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jul 2013, ietfdbh wrote: > >> Hi,

Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-05 Thread Eggert, Lars
Hi, On Jul 5, 2013, at 2:37, Joe Touch wrote: > A slot should not be granted if there isn't a draft. when Magnus and me started TSVAREA, the intent was that it be an information dissemination session, and that IDs were not going to be published through TSVAREA. (We have TSVWG for that.) That's

Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-05 Thread Joe Touch
Thanks - the area vs wg distinction makes sense. Joe On Jul 6, 2013, at 3:00 PM, "Eggert, Lars" wrote: > Hi, > > On Jul 5, 2013, at 2:37, Joe Touch wrote: >> A slot should not be granted if there isn't a draft. > > when Magnus and me started TSVAREA, the intent was that it be an informatio

Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-06 Thread Joe Touch
On Jul 6, 2013, at 12:15 PM, wrote: > First deploy, then tell the IETF about it, and let the IETF put the > documentation into > the preferred 1970s ASCII format. Unless drone revoked RFC 2780, that's the wrong sequence. First develop and test, then tell the IETF in a standards- track RFC,

Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-06 Thread Joe Touch
s/drone/someone/ set autocorrect=false :-) On Jul 6, 2013, at 4:03 PM, Joe Touch wrote: > > > On Jul 6, 2013, at 12:15 PM, wrote: > >> First deploy, then tell the IETF about it, and let the IETF put the >> documentation into >> the preferred 1970s ASCII format. > > Unless drone revoked R

RE: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-06 Thread l.wood
deployed worldwide, I am reminded of King Canute. Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/ From: Joe Touch [to...@isi.edu] Sent: 06 July 2013 08:03 To: Wood L Dr (Electronic Eng) Cc: ; Subject: Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded On

Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-06 Thread Joe Touch
om: Joe Touch [to...@isi.edu] > Sent: 06 July 2013 08:03 > To: Wood L Dr (Electronic Eng) > Cc: ; > Subject: Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded > > On Jul 6, 2013, at 12:15 PM, wrote: > >> First deploy, then tell the IETF about it, and let

RE: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-06 Thread l.wood
Joe Touch [to...@isi.edu] Sent: 06 July 2013 19:33 To: Wood L Dr (Electronic Eng) Cc: Subject: Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded And where in your sequence did a standard appear? Outside a wg? On Jul 6, 2013, at 2:20 AM, wrote: > Well, that's the wrong seque

Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-06 Thread Joe Touch
__ > From: Joe Touch [to...@isi.edu] > Sent: 06 July 2013 19:33 > To: Wood L Dr (Electronic Eng) > Cc: > Subject: Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded > > And where in your sequence did a standard appear? Outside a wg? > > On

Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-06 Thread Wesley Eddy
On 7/6/2013 5:52 PM, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote: > > IETF transport focuses on maintaining its existing standards; that's > my point. It's not really set up for experimental work not directly > related to those standards. > I'm not really sure how TSV could be setup any better to do this type

RE: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-07 Thread ietfdbh
sv-area-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:tsv-area-boun...@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Wesley Eddy > Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 10:11 PM > To: l.w...@surrey.ac.uk > Cc: tsv-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded > > On 7/6/2013 5:52 PM

Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-07 Thread Spencer Dawkins
essage- From: tsv-area-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:tsv-area-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Wesley Eddy Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 10:11 PM To: l.w...@surrey.ac.uk Cc: tsv-area@ietf.org Subject: Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded On 7/6/2013 5:52 PM, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wro

Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-08 Thread Scott Brim
On 07/07/13 23:39, "Spencer Dawkins" allegedly wrote: >The notes I've read in this thread have been very helpful to me. Thank >you for sharing. > >At this point, the only thing I'm obsessing about is that we get decent >IPR declarations when IPR exists. Our BCPs define a contribution broadly >eno

RE: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-08 Thread l.wood
Subject: Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded On 07/07/13 23:39, "Spencer Dawkins" allegedly wrote: >The notes I've read in this thread have been very helpful to me. Thank >you for sharing. > >At this point, the only thing I'm obsessing abou

Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

2013-07-08 Thread Spencer Dawkins
a-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scott Brim [s...@internet2.edu] Sent: 08 July 2013 13:37 To: Spencer Dawkins; ietfdbh Cc: tsv-area@ietf.org Subject: Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded On 07/07/13 23:39, "Spencer Dawkins" allegedly wrote: The notes I've re