Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-11 Thread haleh mahbod
If someone is a very active contributor, he/she is most likely watching the commit list as well as the dev list. If someone is just subscribed to the dev list to watch the key discussions and occasionally gets involved, he/she would not want to see all the JIRA updates. This assumes that new

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-09 Thread Simon Nash
ant elder wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 5:28 PM, Simon Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip One other consideration - sometimes it's appropriate to reply to a JIRA rather than updating the issue: if there are two lists, on has to decide - should the replies go to both or just dev? In such a case I

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-07 Thread ant elder
On Feb 6, 2008 5:28 PM, Simon Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip One other consideration - sometimes it's appropriate to reply to a JIRA rather than updating the issue: if there are two lists, on has to decide - should the replies go to both or just dev? In such a case I think the reply

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-07 Thread Jean-Sebastien Delfino
sebb wrote: Jean-Sebastien Delfino wrote: Or can we configure JIRA to only send a message when a comment is added to an issue? Surely one needs all the JIRA changes? You're right, I was initially thinking that we could cut on the number of useless JIRA notifications, but after reviewing a

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-07 Thread Jean-Sebastien Delfino
ant elder wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 5:28 PM, Simon Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip One other consideration - sometimes it's appropriate to reply to a JIRA rather than updating the issue: if there are two lists, on has to decide - should the replies go to both or just dev? In such a case I

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-06 Thread ant elder
that could help improve our diversity? Does aiming for the April board meet sound ok or too soon or too far? ...ant I've gone through everything suggested so far in this thread and added all the points to a wiki page - http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TUSCANYWIKI/Graduation+Next+Steps

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-06 Thread ant elder
in this thread and added all the points to a wiki page - http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TUSCANYWIKI/Graduation+Next+Steps. I've probably missed some and there are some duplicate points, feel free to edit the page. So what to do with this? Some of the points are a bit vague, some we may

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-06 Thread ant elder
diversity? Does aiming for the April board meet sound ok or too soon or too far? ...ant I've gone through everything suggested so far in this thread and added all the points to a wiki page - http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TUSCANYWIKI/Graduation+Next+Steps

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-06 Thread ant elder
On Feb 4, 2008 8:06 PM, Simon Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip - route the JIRA traffic out of the dev list as suggested by Matthieu I understand that this traffic can get a bit overwhelming at times, but I'd like to make the case that it does have value for new developers (though not

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-06 Thread kelvin goodson
I like to be able to look at a JIRA and readily find the discussion relating to it, so I find having technical discussion as a series of comments in the JIRA helpful. In this pattern it makes sense to copy JIRA comments to the dev list, as it forms the substance of our technical communication. I

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-06 Thread Luciano Resende
If we are going to remove JIRAs from dev list, my personal preference would be to have a notification list and have JIRA, Build notifications, etc sent to this list. But I'm still not convinced that moving JIRA out of the dev mailing list is the best solution here. On Feb 6, 2008 5:26 AM, ant

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-06 Thread kelvin goodson
/display/TUSCANYWIKI/Graduation+Next+Steps . I've probably missed some and there are some duplicate points, feel free to edit the page. So what to do with this? Some of the points are a bit vague, some we may not all agree with, some are easy for one person to action if we agree, others need more

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-06 Thread Simon Nash
Venkata Krishnan wrote: Typically these discussions have multiple aspects to it and we end up bringing perspectives to each aspect. If there is such a topic then I'd think the WIKI is a good place. There could be one description of the problem and comments by the community at various points.

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-06 Thread Simon Nash
sebb wrote: On 05/02/2008, Jean-Sebastien Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Nash wrote: Jean-Sebastien Delfino wrote: [snip] - route the JIRA traffic out of the dev list as suggested by Matthieu I understand that this traffic can get a bit overwhelming at times, but I'd like to make

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-06 Thread Raymond Feng
PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Graduation next steps If we are going to remove JIRAs from dev list, my personal preference would be to have a notification list and have JIRA, Build notifications, etc sent to this list. But I'm still not convinced that moving JIRA

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-05 Thread Jean-Sebastien Delfino
Simon Nash wrote: Jean-Sebastien Delfino wrote: [snip] - route the JIRA traffic out of the dev list as suggested by Matthieu I understand that this traffic can get a bit overwhelming at times, but I'd like to make the case that it does have value for new developers (though not for users).

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-05 Thread sebb
On 05/02/2008, Jean-Sebastien Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Nash wrote: Jean-Sebastien Delfino wrote: [snip] - route the JIRA traffic out of the dev list as suggested by Matthieu I understand that this traffic can get a bit overwhelming at times, but I'd like to make the case

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-05 Thread ant elder
On Feb 5, 2008 10:09 AM, sebb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip However few (if any) mail archives seem to offer such facilies and so can be difficult to read if there are lots of JIRA messages mixed in with the rest. Thats a good point. Up till now I've thought its better to have the JIRA

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-05 Thread Simon Nash
Jean-Sebastien Delfino wrote: Simon Nash wrote: Jean-Sebastien Delfino wrote: [snip] - route the JIRA traffic out of the dev list as suggested by Matthieu I understand that this traffic can get a bit overwhelming at times, but I'd like to make the case that it does have value for new

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-05 Thread Venkata Krishnan
Typically these discussions have multiple aspects to it and we end up bringing perspectives to each aspect. If there is such a topic then I'd think the WIKI is a good place. There could be one description of the problem and comments by the community at various points. So at any time one knows

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-05 Thread Jean-Sebastien Delfino
Venkata Krishnan wrote: Typically these discussions have multiple aspects to it and we end up bringing perspectives to each aspect. If there is such a topic then I'd think the WIKI is a good place. There could be one description of the problem and comments by the community at various points.

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-04 Thread Raymond Feng
: Graduation next steps Simon Laws wrote: On Jan 31, 2008 1:41 PM, ant elder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to get some discussion going on what we want to do for graduating to an Apache TLP. The attempt back in November raised issues about diversity and since then it feels like we've just

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-04 Thread Venkata Krishnan
My +1 as well to all the points that have been brought out. I am certainly for picking out a couple rightaway and starting with some baby steps. I think we must have an IRC session soon to review our JIRAs. Thanks - Venkat

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-03 Thread Giorgio Zoppi
2008/2/3, Jean-Sebastien Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There's a lot i think the project could do to encourage others to participate, here's a few things I can think of - We have a lot of downloads and real users, we need to try to get more of these people engaged and contributing, things

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-03 Thread Jean-Sebastien Delfino
Giorgio Zoppi wrote: 2008/2/3, Jean-Sebastien Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There's a lot i think the project could do to encourage others to participate, here's a few things I can think of - We have a lot of downloads and real users, we need to try to get more of these people engaged and

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-02 Thread Matthieu Riou
I'm happy to see this discussion going and I think most of the points listed make a lot of sense. A small detail to add to the list that I think could have some importance: your -dev list is flooded by Jira issues. Newcomers interested in Tuscany's development are very likely to get overwhelmed

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-02 Thread Jean-Sebastien Delfino
Matthieu Riou wrote: I'm happy to see this discussion going and I think most of the points listed make a lot of sense. A small detail to add to the list that I think could have some importance: your -dev list is flooded by Jira issues. Newcomers interested in Tuscany's development are very

Re: Graduation next steps

2008-02-01 Thread Simon Laws
On Jan 31, 2008 1:41 PM, ant elder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to get some discussion going on what we want to do for graduating to an Apache TLP. The attempt back in November raised issues about diversity and since then it feels like we've just been waiting around hoping diversity

Graduation next steps

2008-01-31 Thread ant elder
I'd like to get some discussion going on what we want to do for graduating to an Apache TLP. The attempt back in November raised issues about diversity and since then it feels like we've just been waiting around hoping diversity would improve. We were unlikely then and we are almost there, would