[TV orNotTV] HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV
Temporarily, the streamer told Variety, until a discussion about its historical context and a denouncement of its biased depictions can be offered with it. https://variety.com/2020/film/news/hbo-max-gone-with-the-wind-removed-1234629892/ (link) B -- You received this message because you are

Re: [TV orNotTV] HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread Joe Hass
It never ceases to amaze me how American corporations can be both smart and stupid at the exact same moment. On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 7:53 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV < tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Temporarily, the streamer told Variety, until a discussion about its > historical context

Re: [TV orNotTV] HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread Tom Wolper
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:46 AM Joe Hass wrote: > It never ceases to amaze me how American corporations can be both smart > and stupid at the exact same moment. > These corporate actions always look like "how do we drop this hot potato" and not "how do we use our power to make the society we wan

Re: [TV orNotTV] HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread Kevin M.
I posted over in the Tweety thingy that my late mother used to say that Gone With The Wind wasn’t an especially good movie, but it sold well because it was a long movie, which meant teenage movie-goers had more time to make out in the balcony. I remember getting the big special edition box of VHS

[TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV
Moi, this morning (6/10): > > Temporarily, the streamer told Variety, until a discussion about its > historical context and a denouncement of its biased depictions can be > offered with it. > > > https://variety.com/2020/film/news/hbo-max-gone-with-the-wind-removed-1234629892/ > > (link) > >

[TV orNotTV] Re: Jon Batiste leads music march during NYC protests

2020-06-10 Thread Diner
And here's a video of a terrific concert of his, recorded last November 11: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyds04mi_Z0 Some good originals, and an exceptional version of "Round Midnight." On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 6:12:21 AM UTC-4, David Bruggeman wrote: > > As suggested during Friday night's

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread PGage
So, the subject header here is somewhat misleading. They are not removing it, they are taking it down until they can replace it with a version that is not censored or bowdlerized, but includes critical commentary and historical context. See WaPo piece linked below. I think this is appropriate and

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Jon Batiste leads music march during NYC protests

2020-06-10 Thread PGage
I find I always like Baptiste more when I see and hear him away from the Colbert Show. On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 2:52 PM Diner wrote: > And here's a video of a terrific concert of his, recorded last November 11: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyds04mi_Z0 > > Some good originals, and an exceptio

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Jon Batiste leads music march during NYC protests

2020-06-10 Thread PGage
*Batiste* On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 4:36 PM PGage wrote: > I find I always like Baptiste more when I see and hear him away from the > Colbert Show. > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 2:52 PM Diner wrote: > >> And here's a video of a terrific concert of his, recorded last November >> 11: >> https://www.y

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread Steve Timko
"Birth of a Nation" is such a caricature I don't think it needs any explaining or context. SPOILER ALERT The final scene where the father is ready to club his daughter to death with a pistol that has no ammunition rather than let her fall into the hands of the lecherous black aggressors, and then

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread PGage
I think pretty much the opposite. BoaN is exemplary filmmaking. I have watched it many times, including several close critical readings with master filmmakers, and with experts in Pan African Studies. Yes, the racism is gross and obvious, but over the last 100+ years many white viewers come away fr

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2020-06-10 Thread stannc
It follows this week’s cancellation of “COPS” https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/live-pd-a-e-javier-ambler-austin-black-lives-matter-1234630742/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread Kevin M.
Something Conan O’Brian has discussed in multiple interviews the last couple of years is the legacy (specifically the lack thereof) of the media and of people in the media. We are already to the point where the films and stars of Hollywood’s golden age are being forgotten. Historians and film buffs

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread Pete Ahles
"Gone With The Wind" has caused more damage than any film in history. It's not the idea that's it's said the N-Word or perpetually stereotypes. It promoted the "Lost Cause" narrative. Another example would be Oliver Stone's "JFK". It promoted a false conspiracy theory. People watching it think its

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread PGage
I don’t think HBO is trying to dictate anything to the future. They are just ensuring that the resources under their control are used responsibly, or at least are more likely to be used responsibly. On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 7:50 PM Kevin M. wrote: > Something Conan O’Brian has discussed in multip

RE: [TV orNotTV] HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread Brad Beam
From: 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] >Temporarily, the streamer told Variety, until a discussion about its >historical context and a denouncement of its biased depictions can be offered >with it. Fun fact: Of the four white leads, only Clark Gable was American

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread Tom Wolper
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 10:59 PM Pete Ahles wrote: > "Gone With The Wind" has caused more damage than any film in history. It's > not the idea that's it's said the N-Word or perpetually stereotypes. It > promoted the "Lost Cause" narrative.- > That's a rather tricky claim. In the golden age of H

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Jon Batiste leads music march during NYC protests

2020-06-10 Thread 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV
It seems he can't not make music.  He's put out *six* albums since joining the Late Show. On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 7:36:33 PM EDT, PGage wrote: I find I always like Baptiste more when I see and hear him away from the Colbert Show. On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 2:52 PM Diner wrote: An