[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter buying Tweetie

On Apr 10, 7:04 pm, zn...@comcast.net wrote: > I think we've pretty much exhausted the holes and dirt metaphor, and I'd like > to propose a different one. A business is defined by the answer(s) to the > question, "Who is going to sell what to whom?" So, what are the needs of the > Twitter "custo

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Nigel Legg wrote: > Dewalt, surely it's a bit early to say they are kaput? As far as I can see, > all twitter clients have their merits, and people tend to stick with the one > that does what they want it to do in the way they want it to do it. I find > it odd that, even though twitter has been di

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My twitter client will be ready in about a month. I hope I have unique enough features to survive. On 11 April 2010 02:27, Arnaud Meunier wrote: > +1 for the metaphors :) > > We all know what Twitter would like to see. No surprise here, nothing > extraordinary, just advices we already were aware

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LMAO. No thanks. I'm getting a little too old for dodging eggs and tomatoes. On second thoughts, I could toss a mean salad if I just remember to bring the lettuce. On Apr 11, 3:23 am, PJB wrote: > +1 for Dewald getting his own session at Chirp! ;)  (Seriously!) > > On Apr 10, 2:49 pm, Dewald Pre

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+1 for Dewald getting his own session at Chirp! ;) (Seriously!) On Apr 10, 2:49 pm, Dewald Pretorius wrote: > Maybe it's because I'm of the older generation, have been there and > done that, and have discovered that the top looks so green because of > all the crap that lies and flies there, tha

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+1 for the metaphors :) We all know what Twitter would like to see. No surprise here, nothing extraordinary, just advices we already were aware of. I mean... Who intended to code another photo sharing service or another desktop client before these annoucements? I guess nobody. Anybody who has bee

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- "Jesse Stay" wrote: > Why are you filling holes in Twitter? Why not rather create your own > holes and use Twitter to fill them. When you own the dirt you have > control over what grows in that dirt. I think we've pretty much exhausted the holes and dirt metaphor, and I'd like to propose

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Why are you filling holes in Twitter? Why not rather create your own holes and use Twitter to fill them. When you own the dirt you have control over what grows in that dirt. On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Arnaud Meunier < arnaud.meun...@twitoaster.com> wrote: > We shouldn’t “fill holes” anym

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Maybe it's because I'm of the older generation, have been there and done that, and have discovered that the top looks so green because of all the crap that lies and flies there, that I hold the opinions that I do. I can understand folks' ambitions to "make" it. I guess in a way it's like a green r

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Chad, Sometimes (well, okay, almost always) I just don't feel like citing all possible caveats to what I'm saying. I'm not writing here with visions of possible literary grandeur, potential book deals, or speaking engagements. I call shit like I see it. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong. It

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On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Dewald Pretorius wrote: > If you're an entrpreneur with strong ethical standards, then never > ever accept investment capital. You cannot be serious. Believe it or not there are ethical investors out there. Also, bootstrapping a company that goes huge is almost i

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There are more colors (or shades of grey) in my world than just black and white... On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Dewald Pretorius wrote: > If you're an entrpreneur with strong ethical standards, then never > ever accept investment capital. > > Investors could not give a shit about your ethica

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If you're an entrpreneur with strong ethical standards, then never ever accept investment capital. Investors could not give a shit about your ethical qualms or objections, and they are most certainly not going to accept a lower exit because of them If you don't play ball, they simply replace you

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On 04/10/2010 11:45 AM, Arnaud Meunier wrote: > We shouldn’t “fill holes” anymore, Wilson said. The thing is Twitter > has deliberately kept a lot of holes opened, encouraging us to fill > them (and lots of applications have been doing it with innovation, by > the way). I don't know that it's "del

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter buying Tweetie

The answer, Abraham, is nothing stops them. Reread what Evan Williams said here: http://dld.bz/PG5 "Twitter will continue to buy or develop apps and features it needs, even if third-party developers already provide them." It clearly means Twitter intends to directly compete with its developer ec

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This also adds the question of if we developers start digging new holes what is to stop Twitter from filling them in themselves? Abraham On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 11:45, Arnaud Meunier wrote: > We shouldn’t “fill holes” anymore, Wilson said. The thing is Twitter > has deliberately kept a lot of h

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We shouldn’t “fill holes” anymore, Wilson said. The thing is Twitter has deliberately kept a lot of holes opened, encouraging us to fill them (and lots of applications have been doing it with innovation, by the way). Now we’re supposed to dig, create new holes, and fill them. Okay! There are a lot

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On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Dewald Pretorius wrote: > Jesse, > > There is a lot of merit in your point of view with regards to one's > core. > > But, what that also means is the death of the ecosystem as we know it. > The ecosystem as we know it used to develop "for" Twitter, enhancing > th

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Chad - agreed! On 10 April 2010 18:28, Chad Etzel wrote: > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Nigel Legg wrote: > > Surely all twitter developers are getting their success on the coattails > of > > Twitter, rather than twitter getting success on the coattails of the > > developers? > > This is a

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Dewalt, surely it's a bit early to say they are kaput? As far as I can see, all twitter clients have their merits, and people tend to stick with the one that does what they want it to do in the way they want it to do it. I find it odd that, even though twitter has been directly competing with twit

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If anyone would like to help withe the development of http://www.thefrequency.tv -- which integrates a focused Twitter search result feed but "adds value above the social layer" -- I would appreciate it. The Pulitzer Center is using the site currently. Allan Hoving On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:24 PM,

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On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Nigel Legg wrote: > Surely all twitter developers are getting their success on the coattails of > Twitter, rather than twitter getting success on the coattails of the > developers? This is a good point (is applies in my case, anyway). Had it not been for my hobby-

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Nigel, Other Twitter iPhone clients are now kaput. You cannot compete with the official Twitter iPhone client, which is given away free of charge. There are quite a few "valued" developers who are having a very ruined day. Clients like TweetDeck and Seesmic should still be okay, because they are

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Surely all twitter developers are getting their success on the coattails of Twitter, rather than twitter getting success on the coattails of the developers? If you as a user, as a supplier to users, cannot find something that tweetie doesn't do then maybe you haven't got your ear to the ground of w

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Chad, That's what I meant by predatorial. All the past rethoric around how appreciative Twitter was of the developer ecosystem, and how they valued the developer ecosystem, has taken on a brand-new tone and color today. On Apr 10, 1:02 pm, Chad Etzel wrote: > On Apr 10, 2010, at 5:23, Dewald Pr

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On Apr 10, 11:44 am, Jesse Stay wrote: > I think the more beneficial, and long-term advantageous approach > is instead to make Twitter a "support" for your application. Spot On!!   -- To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

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On Apr 10, 2010, at 5:23, Dewald Pretorius wrote: Twitter has now displayed a distinctive predatorial stance towards the developer ecosystem. Whoa now. If by "predatorial" you mean "makes strategic acquisitions in line with their business goals" then sure. See also: Google, Facebook, App

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Jesse, There is a lot of merit in your point of view with regards to one's core. But, what that also means is the death of the ecosystem as we know it. The ecosystem as we know it used to develop "for" Twitter, enhancing the Twitter offering. What you're proposing is a radical change, where one

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In support of what Raffi is saying, I think too many apps are "supports" for Twitter (some call it "filling holes"). I think the more beneficial, and long-term advantageous approach is instead to make Twitter a "support" for your application. I hope this isn't seen as spam, but I wrote about this

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter buying Tweetie

Here's an interesting related thread on Twitter: http://dld.bz/PGz As well as this NY Times article: http://dld.bz/PG5 where Evan Williams says, "Twitter will continue to buy or develop apps and features it needs, even if third-party developers already provide them."

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter buying Tweetie

Twitter has now displayed a distinctive predatorial stance towards the developer ecosystem. The ecosystem is encouraged to innovate, to expend time, effort, and money to come up with new ideas and build services. When that particular space proves to be successful and potentially rewarding, the pre

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Hi Dewald, > But, there's a problem, and I hope I'm not the only seeing it. you're not the only one seeing it ;-) I guess the fact that Twitter clients played a major role in Twitter's "success" is making this move so special. On the other hand, I think it was inevitable, wasn't it? Twitter need

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On 04/09/2010 09:20 PM, Raffi Krikorian wrote: >- don't have time to sit and watch twitter 24/7/365. while i love to >scan through my timeline, frankly, that's a lot of content. can you >summarize it for me? can you do something better than chronological sort? Yeah ... I think a fai

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As a user and fellow developer I'm thrilled for Loren and what he's achieved... As a Twitter API and iPhone developer I'm shocked and feel like it's a kick in the teeth to us all. On Apr 10, 5:59 am, funkatron wrote: > It is, of course, possible to find niches here, and we can of course > come u

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It is, of course, possible to find niches here, and we can of course come up with ideas that could work. I certainly am not debating that. But you have to admit that this is a big, big bomb to drop in the development community; bigger than anything since *maybe* the Summize acquisition, and the wh

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Congrats to Loren and the Twitter Corp Dev/Mobile teams! Yes, the desktop app will follow. Then likely a Windows version. I've got no vested interest in being right or wrong, but it makes sense, and it's been inevitable for quite a while. Ever since the hint of an ad model. Organic eyeballs mean l

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the way that i usually explain twitter.com (the web site) is that it embodies one particular experience of "twitter". twitter.com needs to implement almost every feature that twitter builds, and needs to implement it in a way that is easy to use for the* lowest common denominator of user*. this n

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StatusNet is in an interesting position. They can't, and I don't think have to, compete directly with Twitter. Offering both SAAS and self- hosted opportunities is compelling, and they have a pretty strong dev community. They already have Twitter and Facebook two-way bridges built in, which means y

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On 04/09/2010 08:22 PM, funkatron wrote: > Define "energy." Spaz has been out there and FOSS since mid 2007. > Moving off AIR and doing lots of other good things have been in my > plans for a long time, but open source in no way means people want to > help you. No one will be even close to your o

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Congrats Loren. As for Tweetie for Mac. I would like to see it open sourced: http://act.ly/1w1 Abraham On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 20:22, funkatron wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 10:58 pm, "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" > wrote: > > > > But that does raise an interesting question - I'm not ov

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On Apr 9, 10:58 pm, "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" wrote: > But that does raise an interesting question - I'm not overly impressed > with any of the open-source GUI Twitter clients, and I won't run an AIR > application on my Linux desktop - AIR is a resource hog (and closed). So > I stick with web-b

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First I would like to also congratulate Tweetie on a job well done. Best of luck! Will this be the end all to clients as we know it? It maybe, but like all markets there is that inevitable peak. Sooner or later the winners will be picked and the rest discarded. That is a hard and painful fact we h

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> Uh ... "market" implies that people will actually *pay* for something. I > haven't found that to be the case for command line tools. ;-) Don't know > about OS 9, though - last time I was "asked" to use one of those (summer > 2004), I politely declined and did everything on my dual-booted Windows

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On 04/09/2010 07:44 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: >> I am also happy for Loren, he deserves it based purely on the quality >> of his product. I would like some clarification on the intended future >> of Tweetie for OS X. The plans for the iPhone and iPad have been made >> very very clear: stay away. Pl

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> I am also happy for Loren, he deserves it based purely on the quality > of his product. I would like some clarification on the intended future > of Tweetie for OS X. The plans for the iPhone and iPad have been made > very very clear: stay away. Please clarify the plans for OS X. Let's just say t

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Loren, congrats man. I think the best man won. Hard work and dedication to perfection paid off in spades. You deserve the accolades (and the $$$). Oh and everyone else? Thanks for playing. I'll catch you all next week on the Facebook forums. Anyone have the odds on who Twitter will pick a

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Congrats, As a twitter user I'm intrigued. As a twitter developer I'm not hoping that you are really close to a statement to reassure us all its ok and maintaining an even playing field. Although renaming it Tweetie to Twitter for iPhone is a hurtful (being "THE" twitter client relegates the other

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Twitter did this to BB clients too, today. You think this is the last platform they'll do an Official Client on? Take a look at the OS X music playback app market to see the future of Twitter clients. Here's the shirt for the Chirp keynote: http://spaz.spreadshirt.com/ Have fun in SF next week,

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Dewald, I'm surprised that you failed to mention that Twitter can also advertise the heck out of it on Twitter.com and via tweets etc - millions for further development - and very significant marketing resources available too. I disagree with your sentiment though. Twitter's free to build or buy

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I am also happy for Loren, he deserves it based purely on the quality of his product. I would like some clarification on the intended future of Tweetie for OS X. The plans for the iPhone and iPad have been made very very clear: stay away. Please clarify the plans for OS X. But at this point I don'

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It's great for Loren. But, there's a problem, and I hope I'm not the only seeing it. Twitter has just kicked all the other developers of Twitter iPhone (and iPad) clients in the teeth. Big time. Now suddenly their products compete with a free product that carries the Twitter brand name, and that