Thanks for generating this patch, Attila. It looks good to me.
Bill
2011/11/10 Hammer Attila hamm...@pickup.hu:
Hy Bill,
I tryed your last attached patch with my Oneiric system, The patch works
wonderful with Orca master version. Thank you this patch.
I attaching now a git diff command
? Has the developers of this package been notified? I have no
visibility into their development. Are they receptive or will we need to
nag to get this change implemented?
Don Marang
On 11/8/2011 5:33 PM, Bill Cox wrote:
The old xmodmap program seems to be beginning to break down. It's
I'm in the process of installing Ubuntu Oneiric 11.10. Here's my
first impressions. The install needs a bit of work, but when Orca is
enabled on boot using the magic key sequence, it seems basically
usable. I had a crash related to Orca I think, though I was poking
around the desktop with my
I see that people seem to be using Java to play media in Ubuntu, but
with at-spi running in Ubuntu 10.10 x64, I can't get a simple Java
example off the web to run. The example I'm trying is attached.
I compile it with 'javac SoundTest.java', and run it with 'java
SoundTest'. The error dump
Hi Penelope.
There's also a11y user testing, which is not very good in any major
distro. It's not their fault - only expert users of a11y software can
do in depth user testing. I'm not capable of doing solid Orca testing
myself, and rely on blind Vinux users to do it for me. I think
everyone
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Luke Yelavich
luke.yelav...@canonical.com wrote:
From what I remember reading in a bug on GNOME bugzilla, gksu lacks a
mainloop which is a contributor to the issues that we have with accessibility.
There is also gksu-polkit, which at a glance, does the same
I've patched pkexec which is like gksu, but uses Policy Kit for
authentication. The patch is very simple - all I had to do is
uncomment some code the author already had in there to enable X11
applications. It seems that the author decided that running X11
applications as root is just too much of
Hi, Eleanor. If you are going to install the newest version of Ubuntu
on these machines, you get a pretty decent setup if you enable an
accessible install. You press space at the first screen to get to a
text menu, F5 to open accessibility options, and 3 to select the Orca
screen reader. It
I was able to fix two bugs, but the third has me confused still.
First, /usr/bin/module-assistant needs to be modified to look in
/usr/src/linux-headers-version/include/generated, rather than
include/linux to find utsrelease.h. Second, three speakup files need
to include linux/slab.h to have
I saw a demo of a calculator showing it's accessible objects through
dbus from 2007. I also see that the code to present iaccessible2
objects is in the Qt source code. Anyone know how to turn it on?
Thanks,
Bill
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I'm also following this thread. I had to program by voice for three
years in the '90s, first with Dragon Dictate, and then with Naturally
Speaking. I eventually wrote 1,600 voice macros mostly to control
emacs to help me do my job.
When I started with Dragon Dictate, I was excited about the
I've patched gtk+ to allow programmers to easily add descriptions to
images. This is probably useful in many places, but I decided to
start with Synaptic. Users can now hear the status of a package read
to them, not just icon. Remember to right-click on package items
with Orca+8 to get the
I always ran
$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
But I've had trouble most times with this. More often than not, I
have not been able to boot my machine into Gnome after a dist-upgrade
from a full release back. However, I hack my system pretty heavily,
so my experience is probably not the norm. If
I like the socket approach, but I guess your concern may be why Luke
was thinking of using dbus. Still, a denial of service that requires
users already be logged into the machine is a far smaller security
hole. Right now, a clever hacker could most likely find a way to
cause one of the less well
Hi, Tomas. Everyone is are very pleased with Brailcom's work on
speech-dispatcher, but as Brailcom's contract ran out, Brailcom
necessarily moved on to new projects. Now, I for one support Brailcom
getting more contracts to do more work, and if that happens, we may
want to look at merging
I was asked to post my current gksu script to this thread, so here it is.
There are two scripts, one to deal with some gksu options, which are
translated into sudo options, and another to open the dialog box and
ask for the password. Both of these should probably be rewritten as
Python wrappers,
Thanks for the log. I agree 100% with Luke's goals for the next
release. If it will help, we can do some early user-testing in Vinux
alpha/beta releases based on the next Ubuntu release.
I'll throw in two more wishes for the next release. First, can we
bind starting Orca to Control+Alt+o, and
Hi, Lesley. There's tons of work to do if you want to dive in and get
your hands dirty, especially down in the code. Let me know if you're
able to fix bugs in C, C++, or Python, as that's where a lot of issues
are. There's also a need for writers to make tutorials and such.
I do my
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Francesco Fumanti
francesco.fuma...@gmx.net wrote:
Due to incompatibility of at-spi with gksu, I wonder whether it would make
sense to create a goal for lucid+1 to eliminate gksu from the distribution.
This would at least remove part of the bugs caused by
Luke is project lead, though I believe a couple of others may also
have authority to commit changes. However, Luke has to date worked to
form consensus on the opentts-dev mailing list before making
significant changes. Progress in the last several weeks has been
truly outstanding, and I for one
I think I've read more positive comments about Thunderbird than anything else.
Bill
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:47 PM, David Sexton da...@rustytelephone.net wrote:
I am really getting fedup with evolution, which other mail clients are
accessible with orca?
David
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in more depth.
Bill
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Luke Yelavich them...@ubuntu.com wrote:
On Sat, Apr 03, 2010 at 07:11:35AM EST, Bill Cox wrote:
I've tracked down the structural navigation issue with Firefox and
Orca, and submitted a patch to the Mozilla guys. I would like to go
ahead
So long as we'er putting ideas out there, I would like to bring up the
possibility of using Vinux as a testing ground for accessibility. One of my
goals in working with Vinux is to feed new technologies into ubuntu once
debugged and proven. Bill
On Apr 5, 2010 12:38 PM, Laura Czajkowski
I've uploaded a version of Firefox to the Vinux/Ubuntu Lucid PPA.
Anyone testing Vinux 3.0 Beta should run 'sudo apt-get update; sudo
apt-get upgrade'. This should install the patched version of firefox
for testing with Orca.
Unfortunately, there are still some navigation issues with Orca. I
I've tracked down the structural navigation issue with Firefox and
Orca, and submitted a patch to the Mozilla guys. I would like to go
ahead and patch firefox and make it available through the Vinux PPA,
so Vinux users can start testing it. Hopefully there aren't any more
bugs in Orca
wrote:
Hi Bill!
Can one work around the gksu problem by starting ubiquity in a terminal, with
'sudo'?
On Apr 1, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Bill Cox wrote:
You need to enable orca at the boot screen using this special magic sequence:
So, in summary:
space every 3-4 seconds for 30 seconds, then F5
I prefer to set this option as a global default value. That, when
users update their system and gdm is upgraded, they still have a
talking login. The command I use is:
gconftool-2 --direct --config-source
xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults -s -t bool
When installing with screen reader enabled, ubiquity stops talking
about half the time, which is very frustrating for blind users. I've
been able to get it to work reliably, with only two edits.
First in /usr/bin/ubiquity, change the call from gksu to sudo:
toexec = ['gksudo',
This is most likely an issue with pulseaudio. I run pulseaudio in
system-wide mode, which tends to get rid of such problems.
Bill
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 2:42 AM, John Robinson jbr10...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi everyone. I've recently upgraded to the latest version of Lucid but
am having
a key while this graphic
is displayed, it takes you to the old boot menu, where you can do the
old sequence to get Orca talking.
Bill
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:58 AM, E.J. Zufelt ever...@zufelt.ca wrote:
On 2010-03-11, at 5:53 AM, Bill Cox wrote:
The magic key sequence to bring up Orca
There seems to be new timing involved in getting accessibility working
in the latest ISO. It takes several seconds to boot to the first
screen, but you only have a few seconds once you reach it to press any
key. There is an image at the bottom that says in effect Keyboard =
accessibility.
Try
I installed Lucid 3 days ago, with Orca enabled (option F5, and item 3
in the first install window). Orca comes up reading the gdm login
window just fine. However, yesterday, I did an sudo apt-get update;
sudo apt-get upgrade, and gdm lost it's configuration and stopped
talking. I found the
So, I did another apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade, and rebooted,
and now speech is working again! Robert, can you give this a gry?
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Samuel Thibault
samuel.thiba...@ens-lyon.org wrote:
Bill Cox, le Thu 04 Mar 2010 10:03:27 -0500, a écrit :
Anyone have any
The gnome maintainers do not recommend switching to the unstable yelp branch
and instead recommend the stable version which is still accessible. They
will only switch when webkit becomes accessible. I'll update the bug report
but its been marked low priority.
Bill
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For Ubuntu, it's best to use the Orca screen reader with Firefox to
see if your web page is accessible, since that's how most users do it.
You can start it from the command line with 'orca'. However, there
are some current bugs in Orca related to changes in Firefox 3.6, which
are being worked on
Hi, Attila. I'll do as you suggest, and have a gecko based version of
Yelp for Vinux, until webkit becomes accessible.
Bill
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Hammer Attila hamm...@pickup.hu wrote:
Dear List,
Bill, I tryed your ydea, because yesterday I read your purposes with
Vinux mailing
Two key pieces of accessibility software in Gnome used to be
accessible, but are no longer in Lucid - Yelp and the Ubuntu Software
Center. Ubuntu does a terrific job in general insuring packages are
functional and not buggy before allowing them into the distro. There
must be some check-list for
Which is nice! Today, anyone in Ubuntu using speakup has to type 'm-a
a-i -f speakup-source' whenver the kernel is upgraded. I understand
it's too late to get it into Lucid, but I'll put in a vote for getting
it in whenever possible!
Bill
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Hi, Storm. Personally, I think you should save your money for beer, and
continue contributing as you have - with your time.
What we really need is at least another full time person at Canonical
working full-time on accessibility, and of course, I vote for Willie. Short
of that, perhaps we can
I don't need to introduce Willie on this forum. If you don't know him
and some of his work, you're not involved. Willie is looking for a
new job as the result of the Oracle/Sun merger. I've said before that
Ubuntu could own the accessibility space with one more full time guy.
If that guy is
Hi, Luke. Count me in for a supporting role on speech-dispatcher. I
was also thinking of enhancing speech-dispatcher to create audio
files. There's some discussion on the Vinux list about creating an
audio book creation app, and sometime over the next year, I'd like to
see it happen.
I guess first I need to understand why you want it in system-wide
mode. Having it ru as user has benefits. In particular, you can bind
a command like sh -c 'killall speech-dispatcher; orca --replace' to
a key like Shift+Ctrl+O, to restart both speech-dispatcher and Orca
when needed. In theory
Hi, Arky. Someone just pointed out this problem in my Vinux/Ubuntu
Lucid ISO. I turned off Static Application Switcher, and turned on
Application Switcher, and reassigned ControlAltTab to
next_panel, and ShiftControlAltTab to prev_panel.
The results are awesome. I've been using the Compiz
I think Lucid is on track to be a fabulous distro for accessibility.
I'm working on a Vinux ISO based on Ubuntu Lucid, and I'm pretty
excited about it.
However, even better than having a separate ISO would be having a
Vinux-like install option. Is there any chance that the we Vinux guys
could
In Ubuntu Lucid Alpha, the fonts on the console are really tiny. In
Karmic, they were nice and large. Does anyone know how to modify the
console font size?
Thanks,
Bill
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Anyone else seeing this? After an apt-get upgrade, Orca no longer
works. Here's what gets reported:
vi...@vinux-laptop:~$ orca
(orca:1830): atk-bridge-WARNING **: AT_SPI_REGISTRY was not started at
session startup.
(orca:1830): atk-bridge-WARNING **: IOR not set.
(orca:1830):
D'oh! This is just what Willie told me to do before:
$ gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-corba --type bool true
If you execute this, then at-spi-registryd can run, and Orca starts.
Bill
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Bill Cox waywardg...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyone else
buffering parameters exposed to the
user through speechd.conf. Just add these to your debian/patches
directory and the 00list file.
I wasn't sure where to e-mail these... sorry for the spam!
Bill
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Bill Cox waywardg...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, Luke. That's great
Oops... It was pointed out that I got the credits wrong in the header.
I've regenerated the second patch to correct it.
Bill
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Bill Cox waywardg...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, Luke. Adding the ability to set PulseAudio parameters in
speechd.conf was harder than I
I've read that Fedora 12 applications that need root privileges are
all accessible to Orca. Does anyone know how Fedora does this?
Ubuntu uses gksu, and all programs launched in Ubuntu with gksu are
not accessible to Orca.
Thanks,
Bill
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I also posted this on the pulseaudio list, but there may be more help
to be found here...
I'm trying to build a Vinux (blind-user Linux distro) release based on
Ubuntu/Lucid. There's too much code to rewrite to have everything
working the right way with pulseaudio by May, so I want to release
I'm trying to get a basic Karmic system working with the two critical
applications for the blind: Orca and speakup. Pulseaudio is being a
huge PITA. Whether I use espeakup or speechd-up, pulseaudio is
launched as another user as soon as the speakup module starts during
boot. However, when the
I've got a couple packages now on the Vinux/Ubuntu Karmic ppa on
launchpad.net. They provide an updated pulseaudio driver for
speech-dispatcher, and some 32-bit binaries for voxin compatibility on
64-bit systems. I'd like to make a couple virtual-packages, called
vinux-metacity and vinux-compiz,
I'm very happy to say that I don't know of any major bugs in Lucid at
the moment related to accessibility that haven't been tracked down.
Of course, there are still some there... I cheat and use the mouse all
the time, I haven't checked Braille, or done an install by voice.
Also, some of the bugs
I'd venture a guess that you still would want the accessibility
install in order to enable Orca during installation, and to enable it
by default when booting Ubuntu. I would guess that pulseaudio will be
enabled in Lucid either way.
With a Vinux/Lucid install, speech would be enabled regardless,
When pulseaudio is enabled, all sound is delayed on the order of 1/2
seconds, which makes Orca a nightmare to use for blind users. It's
completely unacceptable for a main machine. When pulseaudio is
disabled, speech performance is great. I filed a bug about this in
November:
I downloaded from git the latest pulseaudio repository and recompiled
on Ubntu Lucid. The speech performance is excellent! There are
several goobers that we already had when disabling pulseaudio: the
volume control disappears, the volume starts muted after boot, and I'm
sure the other usual
Orca performance I'm use to. I'll switch back to the version in
Ubuntu and see if I can find anything there. Let me know if I can
help you track down the delay issue.
Thanks,
Bill
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Daniel Chen seven.st...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Bill
Hi, Arki, and thanks for working on the bugs. I think there are a few
of us who would like to help get Orca working well in Lucid. I've
installed alpha1, and have run into the pyatspi bug you know about.
Any help getting Orca working well is appreciated. I'm comfortable
debugging C code, but I
Hi, Labrador.
I've enjoyed reading your posts. Anyway, as an old (I'm 45) software
developer myself, I wish anything I shipped where half as stable as
Ubuntu. It's damed hard to build the QA suite, and testing's a bitch.
I'm sure the developer in charge of this decision thought:
A) Switching
Short answer: Wait for Ubuntu 10.4 LTE. Unless you're just too curious.
Having gotten Jaunty working for you means you're good at hacking the
system a bit. I think Karmic is similar in effort as Jaunty, but
everyone's experience seems to vary a lot. The thing is, I don't see
any major draw for
I'm very glad to hear about positive experiences so far with Karmic.
I installed the x64 version yesterday on my laptop (Dell Inspiron
9400). Orca did work out-of-the-box, which is nice. If blind users
absolutely must do a few things on linux, Karmic can do the job.
However, I found there to be
-conf and set it to use alsa instead of pulse? I am
using 64 bit Karmik.
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On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 08:57 -0500, Bill Cox wrote:
I'm very
Has anyone gotten Orca working well in Karmic Beta? If so, what
changes did you have to make?
One thing that seems to have helped was to remove pulseaudio.
However, before that, you need to install alsa-oss, or you wont have a
sound system at all. This seems to have made Orca able to clear out
I'm trying to get voxin working in karmic beta x64 under VirtualBox.
I can get the 'say' program working without error. However, I've
failed so far to get it working with either speech-dispatcher or Gnome
Speech services. To install, I used the voxin-update-0.24 program. I
had to modify
Well, yes, there are work-arounds for the volume. However, though I
realise it's not Ubuntu's fault, having to restart speech dispatcher
every few minutes makes the whole release a PITA for Orca users.
Let's face it... Ubuntu kind of fell off the wagon for accessibility.
Blind users are currently
, 2009 at 08:46:26AM EST, Bill Cox wrote:
Sorry guys, I know there's some of you out there who actually work on
Ubuntu accessibility, but the current state sucks. I certainly hope
Ubuntu decides at some point to make accessibility a priority.
I can understand why, as a user, you feel that way
I'm running the latest code for atk, at-spi, orca, and compiz. I also
have upgraded from the proposed repository. I have found that the old
IBM Viavoice speech engine works great with pulseaudio and Gnome
Speech Services, when using the IBM Viavoice GNOME Speech Driver.
However, the espeak
I have put a developer version of vinux on my home server which in
theory is similar to vinux 1.5, but based on Ubuntu 9.04 x64. It
requires a DVD or USB key to install, since it's about 1.2G. I've
labeled it 'alpha1', but that's generous, since I've never tried
installing it! I don't have
I have to eat a little crow now. I installed Ubuntu 8.10 x64, and had
most of the same stability problems I found in Ubuntu 9.04 x64. So,
the problems I've seen are probably somewhat related to the x64
distros, and going back in time to older distros will probably just
make things worse, as
I hope my criticism in this e-mail is taken as intended - constructive
criticism, rather than pointless ranting. I would like to raise a
red-flag at Canonical with this post. Ubuntu 9.04 is a disaster for the
visually impaired. Vinux, previously based on Ubuntu, has been forced
to switch future
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 15:13 -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote:
Bill Cox wrote:
If Canonical cares about support for the visually impaired, then it may
be time to mount a significant effort to put out this fire. On every
blog I'm reading, the visually impaired are recommending that users
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