Re: artwork

2009-10-25 Thread Shentino
> > Third, open criticism of the appearance of the Ubuntu development > branch is most certainly welcome. However, please consider that these > splash screens have been in the present form for several months now. > To provide this sort of feedback in an inflammatory manner days before > the releas

Re: artwork

2009-10-25 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 6:18 PM, coz DS wrote: > Hey guys, >   I had been on the art team for a number of years. > I am really surprised that some of the artwork,  ie,,,boot splash  and > splash screen with progress bar  , were able to be considered let alone > actually used. >    I have to tell y

Re: Compiz zoom scary, enabled by default in Karmic RC

2009-10-25 Thread Jordan Mantha
I'm assuming you meant this to go to the list On Sun, 25 Oct 2009, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: > 2009/10/25 Jordan Mantha : > > On Sun, 25 Oct 2009, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: > > > > >> I partly agree that it could be a usability issue (I was seriously > >> confused first time I hit this accidenta

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Remco
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 23:42, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> As a computer science student, I know about Internet security. > > As a mechanical engineering student, I don't know anything about > internet security. You don't want to give me powerful tools and let me > loose on the wild wild web. Actually,

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
> As a computer science student, I know about Internet security. As a mechanical engineering student, I don't know anything about internet security. You don't want to give me powerful tools and let me loose on the wild wild web. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il --

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Remco
Once upon a time, Linux was very hard to use on the desktop. If you wanted to do anything, you had to read manuals and get flamed on mailinglists. In recent years this has all been turned around. There were some detractors that would argue that Linux would become as insecure as Windows because any

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
> That tool is generally called a server. That Mac OS X tool is called Samba, > with a nice interface to configure it. I see no reason why they should be > forced to run Mac OS X to do this. > I think that Chan was giving an example. > People should have the choice to do what they want, even if

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
> Mom and pop small businesses do not need a server. They just need a > file/print sharing tool like what you have on Mac OS X, an account with a > local isp and a router from that isp. These shops think that with a server they can access their work from home or on the road, run a website, and oth

Re: Compiz zoom scary, enabled by default in Karmic RC

2009-10-25 Thread Jordan Mantha
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: > Interesting is that you hit this only in Karmic, it was enabled > already in Jaunty. > > I partly agree that it could be a usability issue (I was seriously > confused first time I hit this accidentally). Maybe some tip while > zooming (like 'use Win

Re: Compiz zoom scary, enabled by default in Karmic RC

2009-10-25 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
Interesting is that you hit this only in Karmic, it was enabled already in Jaunty. I partly agree that it could be a usability issue (I was seriously confused first time I hit this accidentally). Maybe some tip while zooming (like 'use Windows key and and mouse scroll to zoom out' or whatever) cou

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Siegfried-A. Gevatter
You are free to create such a GUI tool, or hire someone to create it, and (if it has sufficient quality and is secure) get it into Ubuntu. 2009/10/25 Steven Susbauer : > Should they be forced to hire a full time IT staff to run oldtownrootbeer.com Why would someone get a server just to host a web

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Steven Susbauer
On Oct 25, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> For your information, Linux savvy companies tend to... >>> >> >> Linux-savvy companies are not the issue here. GUI server tools will >> attract mom 'n pop small businesses as well. >> >> > > > Mom and pop sm

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Chan Chung Hang Christopher
Dotan Cohen wrote: >> For your information, Linux savvy companies tend to... >> > > Linux-savvy companies are not the issue here. GUI server tools will > attract mom 'n pop small businesses as well. > > Mom and pop small businesses do not need a server. They just need a file/print sharin

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
> For your information, Linux savvy companies tend to... Linux-savvy companies are not the issue here. GUI server tools will attract mom 'n pop small businesses as well. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lis

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Chan Chung Hang Christopher
Caroline Ford wrote: > > On 25 Oct 2009, at 15:09, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >>> Or puts them out of a job? >>> >> >> Likely we are talking about a small business here, so the decision >> maker might be the top of the organization's food chain. But it might >> get him sued, and thus out of a business.

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
>> Someone may feed himself by selling used books. He has no interest in >> learning sister admiration whatever that may be. He just wants that >> new Unbuto thing that will let his customers see what books he has. >> And of course he will make sure that he can access the customer's data >> (name,

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Steven Susbauer
On Oct 25, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> If you feed yourself through Linux system administration you have an >> interest in it being inaccessible. >> > > Someone may feed himself by selling used books. He has no interest in > learning sister admiration whatever that may be. He just wa

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
>> Likely we are talking about a small business here, so the decision >> maker might be the top of the organization's food chain. But it might >> get him sued, and thus out of a business. If it is a sole >> proprietorship, it might put him out of a house too. >> > I meant the sysadmins complaining

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Caroline Ford
On 25 Oct 2009, at 15:09, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Or puts them out of a job? >> > > Likely we are talking about a small business here, so the decision > maker might be the top of the organization's food chain. But it might > get him sued, and thus out of a business. If it is a sole > proprietorshi

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
> Or puts them out of a job? > Likely we are talking about a small business here, so the decision maker might be the top of the organization's food chain. But it might get him sued, and thus out of a business. If it is a sole proprietorship, it might put him out of a house too. -- Dotan Cohen h

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
> Which comes back to the 'blame Ubuntu' part again. If they mess up > following a howto, it is the howtos fault. If for any reason the 'make > it easy to do' tool messes up, it is that tool's fault. If you come up > with a piece of rubbish for a GUI, it is YOU who put that rootable, > botable box

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Caroline Ford
On 25 Oct 2009, at 13:03, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > Remco wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:22, Dotan Cohen >> wrote: >> The lack of tools will not prevent untrained users from doing things they don't know how to do, but having them can make them at least do >

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Chan Chung Hang Christopher
Remco wrote: > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:22, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >>> The lack of tools will not prevent untrained users from doing things they >>> don't know how to do, but having them can make them at least do it a little >>> better. >>> >>> >> There is no lack of tools for administra

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Remco
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:22, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> The lack of tools will not prevent untrained users from doing things they >> don't know how to do, but having them can make them at least do it a little >> better. >> > > There is no lack of tools for administrating a server. However, the > pres

Re: artwork

2009-10-25 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 19:33 -0400, Martin Owens wrote: > Lets not call for people to be fired just yet, I'm sure things can be > improved with some community involvement and a little unmooding of the > style. There was a call for concepts from the designers at Canonical to the artwork team. http

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
> The lack of tools will not prevent untrained users from doing things they > don't know how to do, but having them can make them at least do it a little > better. > There is no lack of tools for administrating a server. However, the present tools demand a minimum understanding of networks, includ

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Steven Susbauer
On Oct 25, 2009, at 2:12 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: And you thing that simple file sharing server based on SMB are comparable to Mustang GT? >>> >>> No. But I think that running a public HTTP server is. >> >> Any user can run a public HTTP server without knowing what the hell >> they are do

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-10-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
>>> And you thing that simple file sharing server based on SMB are >>> comparable to Mustang GT? >> >> No. But I think that running a public HTTP server is. > > Any user can run a public HTTP server without knowing what the hell > they are doing. They just follow a howto from > the-perfect-server-s