Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...

2009-12-26 Thread Chris Jones
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 06:23 +, Martin Owens wrote: Isn't laziness a good thing? If the OP is willing to pay for the development of tools to speed or make easier the setup of these systems, then we should support them, not ridicule them as being lazy. The target of computing design is

Re: apt-get update problem

2009-12-26 Thread Mohammed Bassit
On Fri, 2009-12-25 at 22:22 +0530, arshad wrote: hi all, not sure whether this is the right place to ask. but asking in other places didn't help me much or at all. my apt-get update is not working. here is the output: $ sudo apt-get update [sudo] password for arshad: Hit

Re: Solang or Shotwell vs. F-Spot for Lucid

2009-12-26 Thread Mohammed Bassit
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 16:20 +1000, Chris Jones wrote: I'm still a little shocked that F-Spot is still included by default. Any software developer or any geek with a basic understanding of software development and programming knows that F-Spot is one of the worst examples of programming

Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...

2009-12-26 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 26.12.2009 um 07:23 schrieb Martin Owens: The target of computing design is to make the very complex, simple to operate. Unfortunately, many software designers think that way. The more demanding, but technically superior way is to reduce complexity. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Re: Solang or Shotwell vs. F-Spot for Lucid

2009-12-26 Thread Christopher Lees
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 12:00 +, Chris Jones wrote: I'm a photographic imaging professional and I use too many imaging apps to list here, but F-Spot is not one of them, for the simple reason it is slow, clunky and has crap file format support for anything outside of JPEG format. The

Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...

2009-12-26 Thread Martin Owens
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 13:58 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 26.12.2009 um 07:23 schrieb Martin Owens: The target of computing design is to make the very complex, simple to operate. Unfortunately, many software designers think that way. The more demanding, but technically superior way

Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...

2009-12-26 Thread Patrick Freundt
While we are getting more and more philosophical about the origin question, I am wondering if the Cyber Cafe as we used to think of is not dying anyways. At least the fact, that somebody is renting out hardware that runs with a specific operating system and you as customer are charged by the time

Re: Solang or Shotwell vs. F-Spot for Lucid

2009-12-26 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
The Ubuntu Developers clearly have no understanding of this sector of technology and the IT industry and that sector being digital/photographic imaging. And if they did, they would ditch F-Spot and replace it with a suitable and real image management package. First of all, I think you are

Bug #71870 - won't fix???

2009-12-26 Thread paul Hartman
I ran into a problem with my log files growing really huge. I went to launch pad to file a bug about it and found that it had already been filed. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysklogd/+bug/71870 Under status it is listed as won't fix. Why would this be? Please forgive me if i

Re: Bug #71870 - won't fix???

2009-12-26 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 26.12.2009 um 17:50 schrieb paul Hartman: I ran into a problem with my log files growing really huge. I went to launch pad to file a bug about it and found that it had already been filed. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysklogd/+bug/ 71870 Under status it is listed as

Re: Bug #71870 - won't fix???

2009-12-26 Thread Paul Hartman
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 17:15 +, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: 2009/12/26 paul Hartman 276...@gmail.com: I ran into a problem with my log files growing really huge. I went to launch pad to file a bug about it and found that it had already been filed.

Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...

2009-12-26 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 26.12.2009 um 15:13 schrieb Martin Owens: On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 13:58 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 26.12.2009 um 07:23 schrieb Martin Owens: The target of computing design is to make the very complex, simple to operate. Unfortunately, many software designers think that way. The more

Re: Bug #71870 - won't fix???

2009-12-26 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2009/12/26 paul Hartman 276...@gmail.com: I ran into a problem with my log files growing really huge. I went to launch pad to file a bug about it and found that it had already been filed. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysklogd/+bug/71870 Under status it is listed as won't fix. Why

Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...

2009-12-26 Thread Martin Owens
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 18:37 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: That's what I often do. As a rule of thumb, if there's more than one way to achieve a goal, there's too much functionality. Not exactly mainstream, I know. By profession I'm a mechanical designer and there the cost of redundant

Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...

2009-12-26 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 26.12.2009 um 18:47 schrieb Martin Owens: On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 18:37 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: That's what I often do. As a rule of thumb, if there's more than one way to achieve a goal, there's too much functionality. [...] What did you think I was saying? that we should repeat

Re: Software Design

2009-12-26 Thread Martin Owens
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 19:57 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: To get back to the initial topic, instead of paying people to write tools for taming complexity, paying people for getting rid of unused stuff would be even better. Culling is a valid job, it's just not valid to remove functionality;

Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...

2009-12-26 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 26.12.2009 um 20:18 schrieb Patrick Freundt: why do people write free software. And I believe they do that because its fun. And terms like minimum redundancy or cost effectiveness do not really fit into that context. Cost isn't only about money. It's also about the time people have to

managing choices

2009-12-26 Thread Patrick Freundt
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de wrote: Cost isn't only about money. It's also about the time people have to invest to pick the right choice. [...] If you want to see people having fun in reducing complexity, watch out for projects like [...] You are not

Re: Solang or Shotwell vs. F-Spot for Lucid

2009-12-26 Thread Chris Jones
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 10:11 +, Mohammed Bassit wrote: I'd really love to know more about the alternatives that have been mentioned a 100 times if you don't mind. I can't find any personally.Not that I like F-Spot, but I can't see much of an alternative. Cheers, Mohammed Bassit

Re: managing choices

2009-12-26 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 26.12.2009 um 22:33 schrieb Patrick Freundt: You are not removing complexity by reducing choices, at least not in my humble opinion. Such statements make me feel like I want to run away and kiss Apple's Snow Leopard, which removes a lot of old cruft while maintaining full usability.