Re: The fate of Upstart

2014-12-02 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 29.11.2014 22:31, I.E.G. wrote: Hi, > I was a "little" surprised to see the "...has been converted to an > upstart job" message some time ago in response to a ~$ /etc/init.d/ > stop/start/restart/foo . > I tried the ~$ service stop/start/restart/foo and it either didn't work > or produced the

Re: Devuan

2014-12-02 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 02.12.2014 11:11, Stephen P. Villano wrote: > Personally, I prefer SElinux to polkit, but such isn't part of the Dont they play in entirely different areas ? I just started to care about polkit, when began doing weird things and causing network-manager to break (more precise: the gnome fronte

smtp blacklisting [WAS: Re: Devuan]

2014-12-02 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
Some time ago, I observed even major ISPs being blacklisted in some spamfilter appliance network (just forgot its name ;-o), where I'm *pretty* sure that they're not spamming (I know these guys personally, and they're quite professional, compared to other companies of this size) - and there was n

Re: Devuan

2014-12-02 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 02.12.2014 11:24, Martin Pitt wrote: Hi folks, > Indeed that's another example where Debian offers a choice but Ubuntu > doesn't -- we examine the alternatives, pick one, and support nothing > else. (cf. combinatorial explosion and efficient maintenance and > support). by the way: could anybo

Re: Devuan

2014-12-02 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
Heya, On 2 December 2014 at 11:57, Diego Germán Gonzalez wrote: > El 02/12/14 a las 08:12, Tom H escibió: >> >> Why would Ubuntu give its users a choice of init now when it hasn't in the >> past? >> >> -- > > Why use Unity when we always use Gnome? > Why use LibreOffice when we always use OpenOff

Re: Devuan

2014-12-02 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 2 December 2014 at 10:11, Stephen P. Villano wrote: > > On 12/2/14 2:59 AM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: >> On 02.12.2014 08:27, Martin Pitt wrote: >>> Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult [2014-12-02 7:55 +0100]: By the way: is it then be mandatory ? >>> Yes, it will be. As Scott

Re: Devuan

2014-12-02 Thread Diego Germán Gonzalez
El 02/12/14 a las 08:12, Tom H escibió: Why would Ubuntu give its users a choice of init now when it hasn't in the past? -- Why use Unity when we always use Gnome? Why use LibreOffice when we always use OpenOffice? Why use Mir when we always use Xorg and all the rest will use Wayland? Again, I

Re: Devuan

2014-12-02 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 1:55 AM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > On 01.12.2014 19:15, Tom H wrote: >> >> Especially after deciding a few months ago to switch to systemd! > > By the way: is it then be mandatory ? Why would Ubuntu give its users a choice of init now when it hasn't in the p

Re: Devuan

2014-12-02 Thread Stephen P. Villano
On 12/2/14 5:24 AM, Martin Pitt wrote: > Stephen P. Villano [2014-12-02 5:11 -0500]: >> Personally, I prefer SElinux to polkit > You know that these two have pretty much nothing in common, right? > Perhaps you meant "SELinux over AppArmor"? > > Indeed that's another example where Debian offers a

Re: Devuan

2014-12-02 Thread Stephen P. Villano
On 12/2/14 5:26 AM, Mehboob Nazim wrote: > dear all, > > > i have a marketing server for office use and based linux.Now i need to > change the smtp ip address for a time being because last ip has been > blacklisted.. > > > kindly share me idea.. > > > Erm, first, find out *why* your server was

Re: Devuan

2014-12-02 Thread Mehboob Nazim
dear all, i have a marketing server for office use and based linux.Now i need to change the smtp ip address for a time being because last ip has been blacklisted.. kindly share me idea.. On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Stephen P. Villano < stephen.p.vill...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 12/2/14

Re: Devuan

2014-12-02 Thread Martin Pitt
Stephen P. Villano [2014-12-02 5:11 -0500]: > Personally, I prefer SElinux to polkit You know that these two have pretty much nothing in common, right? Perhaps you meant "SELinux over AppArmor"? Indeed that's another example where Debian offers a choice but Ubuntu doesn't -- we examine the alter

Re: Devuan

2014-12-02 Thread Stephen P. Villano
On 12/2/14 2:59 AM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > On 02.12.2014 08:27, Martin Pitt wrote: >> Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult [2014-12-02 7:55 +0100]: >>> By the way: is it then be mandatory ? >> Yes, it will be. As Scott and others have already pointed out, Ubuntu >> never offered a

Re: Devuan

2014-12-02 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 02.12.2014 08:27, Martin Pitt wrote: > Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult [2014-12-02 7:55 +0100]: >> By the way: is it then be mandatory ? > > Yes, it will be. As Scott and others have already pointed out, Ubuntu > never offered a choice of init systems, and doesn't plan on doing so. Okay, tha