Andrew Sayers ha scritto:
>> What I'd like to raise - how does one write such a database, when there
>> is no clear-cut answer on whether this card, with this driver, works?
>
> Since we're talking about regressions here, one solution would be to
> make downgrading as easy as upgrading, and to re
Scott Kitterman ha scritto:
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:14:31 -0500 Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> I haven't bothered trying to use the GUI with my iwl4965 and WEP. I
>> just expect NM to not work when it comes to WEP.
>
> I have 4965 and it worked fine for me with KNetworkMana
On Thursday 13 November 2008 22:43, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 21:12 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:14:31 -0500 Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > wrote:
> > >I haven't bothered trying to use the GUI with my iwl4965 and WEP. I
> > >just expe
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 21:12 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:14:31 -0500 Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >I haven't bothered trying to use the GUI with my iwl4965 and WEP. I
> >just expect NM to not work when it comes to WEP.
>
> I have 4965 and it worked
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:14:31 -0500 Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I haven't bothered trying to use the GUI with my iwl4965 and WEP. I
>just expect NM to not work when it comes to WEP.
I have 4965 and it worked fine for me with KNetworkManager and WEP in
Hardy. I have't had a nee
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 21:58 +0100, Nicolas Deschildre wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 20:36 +1100, Sarah Hobbs wrote:
> >> Take the intel 3945 card, for example. Vincenzo says it doesn't work
> >> for him, under variou
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 21:58 +0100, Nicolas Deschildre wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 20:36 +1100, Sarah Hobbs wrote:
> >> Take the intel 3945 card, for example. Vincenzo says it doesn't work
> >> for him, under variou
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 20:36 +1100, Sarah Hobbs wrote:
>> Take the intel 3945 card, for example. Vincenzo says it doesn't work
>> for him, under various modes. Various users on the forums have also
>> mentioned that the
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 20:36 +1100, Sarah Hobbs wrote:
> Take the intel 3945 card, for example. Vincenzo says it doesn't work
> for him, under various modes. Various users on the forums have also
> mentioned that their systems don't work with these cards.
>
> However, other users on the forums, m
On Thursday 13 November 2008 05:13, Andrew Sayers wrote:
> Sarah - this should make sense on its own, but it builds on an idea I
> suggested in
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-November/006250
>.html
>
> which you might provide a little background to this post.
>
> > 3)
2008/11/13 Andrew Sayers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Stephan Hermann wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 11:56 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:
> >>
> >> - Allow downgrades. This should help narrowing potential causes of
> >> the trouble.
> >
> > This is something I don't understand.
> > When I upgrade to
Stephan Hermann wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 11:56 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:
>>
>> - Allow downgrades. This should help narrowing potential causes of
>> the trouble.
>
> This is something I don't understand.
> When I upgrade to a new release, I always think (or is it knowing): "Ok,
> fo
> Canonical does provide Support for Ubuntu for You, when you want to
> pay
> it. If not, fix it yourself, or help us fixing it e.g. join the irc
> and
> point people to it. If people can't help you directly, because of not
> having the broken hardware, you can try to provide this hardware to
> the
Hi Markus,
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 11:56 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:
> Am 13.11.2008 um 10:32 schrieb Stephan Hermann:
>
> > But reality told me different.
>
> Stephan, your points about the unfortunate truth are valid.
Sad, but true.
> Nevertheless, software quality is one of the keys to succ
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:00:36 + Vincenzo Ciancia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>> If a distributor adds more goodies to the kernel, then be happy, but
>> that doesn't mean, that it really works...even when the distributor puts
>> the hardware on the list of supported hardware.
>>
>
>I hope this
Am 13.11.2008 um 10:32 schrieb Stephan Hermann:
> But reality told me different.
Stephan, your points about the unfortunate truth are valid.
Nevertheless, software quality is one of the keys to success.
I've just filed the second bug where one of the Gnome applets
segfaults in a standard si
Sarah - this should make sense on its own, but it builds on an idea I
suggested in
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-November/006250.html
which you might provide a little background to this post.
> 3) There are plenty of other hardware regressions by which I am affected
Apologies for breaking threading, i'm not subscribed to this list
anymore, as the S/N ratio was too low. However, this part is
interesting. Please CC me on any responses to this mail.
Vincenzo writes:
"2) Another bug affected me at random (WIFI), and there was nothing I
could do about that, and
Hi,
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 09:00 +, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
> > If a distributor adds more goodies to the kernel, then be happy, but
> > that doesn't mean, that it really works...even when the distributor puts
> > the hardware on the list of supported hardware.
> >
>
> I hope this is not rea
> If a distributor adds more goodies to the kernel, then be happy, but
> that doesn't mean, that it really works...even when the distributor puts
> the hardware on the list of supported hardware.
>
I hope this is not really the idea of the ubuntu developers on this
topic, because if so, then I
Moins,
On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 02:27 +, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
> On 11/11/2008 Scott Kitterman wrote:
> >
> > I would encourage you (and others, you certainly aren't the only one)
> > to hold
> > your temper and if you can't say something helpful, just take your
> > hands off
> > the keybo
I feel your pain, a colleague of mine who was an administrator in my
erst-while company. We had 100 desktops and we had close to 100 odd
developer desktops switched to ubuntu. We had also made an apt-mirror
to get updates but most of the time the updates were not used.
Reason :- The admin had to
On 11/11/2008 Andrew Sayers wrote:
> I'd like to hear Vincenzo's take on this, but it sounds to me like the
> bugs here are:
If you ask for it, I reply but try to be concise. It is much simpler
than that:
1) One bug is there since more than one year (VGA out) and it is
affecting many people tha
On 11/11/2008 Felipe Figueiredo wrote:
> The kind of rant that started this thread
> is not only uncalled for, but in fact counterproductive. Not to
> mention
> these particular ones are unfair, incorrect and (as noted by several
> others) exaggerated. He was not asking if he was the one of many,
On 11/11/2008 Scott Kitterman wrote:
>
> I would encourage you (and others, you certainly aren't the only one)
> to hold
> your temper and if you can't say something helpful, just take your
> hands off
> the keyboard. Being angry, contemptuous, and disrespectful won't get
> your
> bugs fixe
- Original Message
From: Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:48:20 PM
Subject: Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad
status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubunt
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Martin Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> This list was created to give users a way to discuss Ubuntu development with
>> developers. Comments like "I was just joking about you having to know
>> anything" make the decision to unsubscribe easy. I'm seriously con
I think there's some value in approaching this in a more technological
way. Users of a program (Ubuntu's collection of online forums) find
themselves looking in the wrong part of the program, or unable to
understand the UI, or finding it too cumbersome to use. Then they
become frustrated and wind
On Tuesday 11 November 2008 10:47, Luke L wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Martin Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> This list was created to give users a way to discuss Ubuntu development
> >> with developers. Comments like "I was just joking about you having to
> >> know anything" m
On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 09:47 -0600, Luke L wrote:
> On a practical note, it isn't as if this ML is getting flooded with
> hundreds of messages of traffic a day. For those who could benefit
> from the technical discussions and user input, I don't see why someone
> would disconnect themselves from th
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Martin Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> This list was created to give users a way to discuss Ubuntu development with
>> developers. Comments like "I was just joking about you having to know
>> anything" make the decision to unsubscribe easy. I'm seriously co
> This list was created to give users a way to discuss Ubuntu development with
> developers. Comments like "I was just joking about you having to know
> anything" make the decision to unsubscribe easy. I'm seriously considering
> it myself.
It should remain, developers should remain. Develop
On Monday 10 November 2008 18:14, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
> On 10/11/2008 Bryce Harrington wrote:
> > > > You should know them very well :) In fact you were "assigned" to
> > the
> > > > case some point in time between winter and spring, or at least
> > these
> > > > were the words of somebody on
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