Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-06 Thread Patrick Freundt
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Robbie Williamson rob...@ubuntu.com wrote: Is it a bug that we don't automatically enable and password protect your screensaver in Ubuntu? Maybe. or that we don't automatically encrypt all your data? Maybe. Perhaps you will get farther opening a bug with

Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-06 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 06.01.2010 um 11:36 schrieb Patrick Freundt: ... but maybe Gentoo and other source based distributions are going to have a revival and Canonical is discovered as the new Microsoft. Patrick, just a week ago you defended Ubuntu so much and now you play with going away? Doesn't match my

Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-06 Thread Patrick Freundt
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de wrote: What to do now? Battle again, how we used to battle proprietary software once. Because many people had good reasons to dislike proprietary software. And whats happening here is that companies mix Free Software with the old,

Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-06 Thread Michael Bienia
On 2010-01-06 11:36:09 +0100, Patrick Freundt wrote: We dont talk about an unpleasant background color or desired or unwanted functionality. We talk about a default configuration of a browser that goes online to download data without my consent. And the very least to expect is that its

Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-06 Thread Patrick Freundt
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Michael Bienia mich...@bienia.de wrote: You know that your Ubuntu systems also checks for package updates automatically? So it goes online without your consent too. As I said before, firefox is just one exaple of multiple topics. And I don't want a dialog

Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-06 Thread Shentino
I've sorta had this dance with a problem in mc that, due to improper perms on cons.saver, prevented the usage of C-o to flop the screen in and out. I uploaded a patch that highlighted the problem and I thought that someone would eventually get around to testing it. Unfortunately, it recently got

Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-06 Thread Daniel Chen
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Shentino shent...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, it recently got the wave-off as now it no longer builds under Lucid and I'm being asked to test a new upstream version, when I know that I uploaded 3:4.7.0-1ubuntu1 last night, so if you're willing to respin your

Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-06 Thread Patrick Freundt
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Daniel Chen seven.st...@gmail.com wrote: your patch Right, I often forget about that ... You should not only rant at people like Richard Stallman you also need to provide patches like him. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list

Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-06 Thread Daniel Chen
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Patrick Freundt patrick.freu...@googlemail.com wrote: You should not only rant at people like Richard Stallman you also need to provide patches like him. I'll ask because the phrasing is ambiguous, and I can't tell whether my cynicism radar is errant. Are you

Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-06 Thread Patrick Freundt
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Daniel Chen seven.st...@gmail.com wrote: I'll ask because the phrasing is ambiguous, and I can't tell whether my cynicism radar is errant. Pure self irony from my side, as I was looking over the thread that I started, realizing that I often forgot about the

Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-06 Thread Benjamin Drung
Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 07:47 -0800 schrieb Shentino: I've sorta had this dance with a problem in mc that, due to improper perms on cons.saver, prevented the usage of C-o to flop the screen in and out. I uploaded a patch that highlighted the problem and I thought that someone would

Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-05 Thread Brian Murray
On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 12:49:13AM +0100, Patrick Freundt wrote: To avoid misunderstandings I would like to ask the list in a bit more detailed kind of way for the proper procedure regarding bug reports, - because I am lacking official feedback regarding bug #500601, and on the one side I am

Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-05 Thread Patrick Freundt
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Brian Murray br...@ubuntu.com wrote: A good first step after reporting a new bug report is finding another Ubuntu user who can recreate the bug report and subsequently confirm it and set the bug's status to Confirmed. So bug reporting requires a form of social

proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-05 Thread Patrick Freundt
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: You can start a topic on ubuntuforums.org if you're not comfortable with IRC. Just so I get this straight - you aswell as Brian Murray suggest, that bug reporting can not be handled within launchpad alone, and instead I should wear

Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-05 Thread Patrick Freundt
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Brian Murray br...@ubuntu.com wrote: Bug reporting does not require[s] a form of social network as the bug was properly reported without one.  Rather to move the bug along the triaging process usually requires other people to look at it and indicate whether or

Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-05 Thread C de-Avillez
On 01/05/2010 02:56 PM, Patrick Freundt wrote: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: You can start a topic on ubuntuforums.org if you're not comfortable with IRC. Just so I get this straight - you aswell as Brian Murray suggest, that bug reporting can not be

Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-05 Thread Benjamin Drung
Am Dienstag, den 05.01.2010, 22:32 +0100 schrieb Patrick Freundt: Then the classic developer guy who tries to tell me at first the problem does not exist. He couldn't reproduce it. Not existing and not reproducible are two different pairs of shoes. You can only proof the existence of bug, not

Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-05 Thread Robbie Williamson
On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 22:32 +0100, Patrick Freundt wrote: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Brian Murray br...@ubuntu.com wrote: Bug reporting does not require[s] a form of social network as the bug was properly reported without one. Rather to move the bug along the triaging process

Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-05 Thread Joao Pinto
Then we have this mysterious guy from Portugal who feels the political dimension of the problem. He will try to defend the case in a heroic fashion. And when you believe that you finally made it and the problem is properly discussed amoung those guys who matter, the Canonical dude shows up and

proper procedure regarding bug reports

2010-01-04 Thread Patrick Freundt
To avoid misunderstandings I would like to ask the list in a bit more detailed kind of way for the proper procedure regarding bug reports, - because I am lacking official feedback regarding bug #500601, and on the one side I am aware that we had christmas and new year celebrations, people