Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

2007-07-10 Thread Terence Simpson
Jason Liquorish wrote: After seeing a lot of posts about getting media from sites such as bbc.co.uk http://bbc.co.uk working I saw this on the Nottingham LUGs mailing list: Hi all, The BBC iPlayer - which provides access to BBC programming for up to 30 days after it's aired - will be

[ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mac
You do have to hand it to Richard Stallman, Eben Moglen and their colleagues - the genius evident in GPLv3 just takes your breath away: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/blogs/microsoft_the_copyright_infringer http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070709101318827 Mac --

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

2007-07-10 Thread Chris Rowson
In reply to the suggestions! Popey: Good idea, why reinvent the wheel? Perhaps we could continue using the marketing list with an email prefix of [UK] How about this then for ideas: Mailing List: Using current ubuntu marketing mailing list IRC: Create channel Launchpad: Members to join ubuntu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mark Harrison
Mac wrote: You do have to hand it to Richard Stallman, Eben Moglen and their colleagues - the genius evident in GPLv3 just takes your breath away: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/blogs/microsoft_the_copyright_infringer http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070709101318827 Mac

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

2007-07-10 Thread alan c
Rob Beard wrote: alan c wrote: Why not contribute to the existing marketing team? Why fork? The existing marketing team is not UK specific. The UK media, temperament, retail environment etc are all specific to uk. A recent discussion (for me) on the (global) marketing list included

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

2007-07-10 Thread alan c
Alan Pope wrote: Hi Alan, On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 23:02 +0100, alan c wrote: Why not contribute to the existing marketing team? Why fork? The existing marketing team is not UK specific. The UK media, temperament, retail environment etc are all specific to uk. Sure, but that

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mark Harrison
Mac wrote: As I understand it, GPLv3 is not a contract; it's a waiver of copyright that passes to those who also waive copyright. This is what's so clever about it - it just doesn't work like a contract or licence. I think this is why patent/copyright lawyers have such trouble with it:

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

2007-07-10 Thread Matthew Larsen
signed On 10/07/07, Terence Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason Liquorish wrote: After seeing a lot of posts about getting media from sites such as bbc.co.uk http://bbc.co.uk working I saw this on the Nottingham LUGs mailing list: Hi all, The BBC iPlayer - which provides access

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

2007-07-10 Thread alan c
Matthew Larsen wrote: signed I am trying to sign it but do not seem to have received the contact email. Did yours arrive in timely fashion? -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

2007-07-10 Thread David Restall - System Administrator
Hi Alan, Matthew Larsen wrote: signed I am trying to sign it but do not seem to have received the contact email. Did yours arrive in timely fashion? I signed the petition a few minutes ago - the receipt email came in within seconds. My name was on the bottom of the petition too so it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

2007-07-10 Thread Robin Menneer
On 10/07/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Pope wrote: Hi Alan, On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 23:02 +0100, alan c wrote: Why not contribute to the existing marketing team? Why fork? The existing marketing team is not UK specific. The UK media, temperament, retail environment etc

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

2007-07-10 Thread alan c
Matthew Larsen wrote: yeah instantly :oS On 10/07/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Larsen wrote: signed I am trying to sign it but do not seem to have received the contact email. Did yours arrive in timely fashion? Ah, I see my name halfway up the long list so I must have

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

2007-07-10 Thread Alan Pope
On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 01:47:13PM +0100, alan c wrote: Ah, I see my name halfway up the long list so I must have signed it a while ago - so maybe duplicates are ignored :-) It does make me chuckle when I scroll down these petitions to see the same names pop up :) I know him! and him! *HE*

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Lee Tambiah
On 7/10/07, Mark Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mac wrote: As I understand it, GPLv3 is not a contract; it's a waiver of copyright that passes to those who also waive copyright. This is what's so clever about it - it just doesn't work like a contract or licence. I think this is why

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mac
Mark Harrison wrote: It's hard to see, however, how any legal document written on 1st July could retrospectively apply to a contract signed on the 30th June unless the contract made specific provision for itself to be modified. I may be wrong, but I thought that's exactly what GPLv2 had

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

2007-07-10 Thread Nik Butler
I wonder of those who sign it have also signed up and subscribed support to the open rights group as well ? Also , wouldnt it be great to have a openID with openrights that we could use to sign the petitions with ? http://www.openrightsgroup.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Matthew East
Mark Harrison wrote: Mac wrote: You do have to hand it to Richard Stallman, Eben Moglen and their colleagues - the genius evident in GPLv3 just takes your breath away: I'm no lawyer, but in the UK at least, there are at least two problems with the legal analysis here: - I had understood

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mac
Matthew East wrote: snip ...The GPL is a license (hence the L) by which (among other things) the licensor and copyright holder grants the licensee the right to use and redistribute the program subject to certain conditions. A license is a type of contract, in this case between the program

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mark Harrison
Mac wrote: That seems to me not contract, but a beautiful and unexpected inversion of copyright law. I'm sorry, but I don't understand this line of argument... Let me explain my understanding first, then someone can tell me what I'm missing... - A contract is a legally binding agreement

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mark Harrison
Lee Tambiah wrote: Without disscussion I think the GPL 3 is a very good license which protects Free Software and overall should strengthen it. I agree. I agree that you, and any programmer, should have the right to choose the GPLv3 in new products you create. However, I also believe that

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

2007-07-10 Thread Chris Rowson
Does someone want to setup the Launchpad site then? I'm quite keen on seeing a few case studies like the ones that alan c is mentioning being uploaded and easier to find that having to trawl the lists. It's valuable information that needs to be easily accessible to marketeers. No

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Matthew East
Hiya * Mac: Matthew East wrote: That seems to me not contract, but a beautiful and unexpected inversion of copyright law. A beautiful inversion of copyright law isn't a legal concept. The extract you've cited from Eben isn't addressing the mechanism by which an author who publishes

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

2007-07-10 Thread Chris Rowson
I've set a launchpad team up here that people can join: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk-marketing Still working on it though but at least you should be able to join up. Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/

[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing launchpad

2007-07-10 Thread Chris Rowson
Hi folks, I've set up the ubuntu-uk-marketing launchpad team, created a leaflets project and assigned the leaflets project to the team. If you want to join the ubuntu-uk-marketing team, you can do so here: https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-uk-marketing The leaflets project is sat here in

[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing launchpad

2007-07-10 Thread Chris Rowson
OK, To kick off/demo the usage of launchpad as our storage/development medium I uploaded the leaflet I made originally to a branch of our leaflet project. To upload your stuff to launchpad you'll need bazaar. I wrote a tutorial on using it a wee while ago for anyone who isn't familiar with it: