Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp

2011-06-09 Thread gazz
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 21:30 +0100, Liam Proven wrote: On 6 June 2011 15:57, gazz pmg...@gmx.co.uk wrote: Ah, dunno, haven't actually looked at Gnome 3 yet . . . if it's as bad as Unity - eeek! Unity is a /lot/ more like traditional GNOME 2 than GNOME 3 is. Put in the time to learn

[ubuntu-uk] Fwd: [lugmaster] FW: UKUUG / FLOSS UK - new name

2011-06-09 Thread Alan Pope
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp

2011-06-09 Thread Avi Greenbury
gazz wrote: It has some really nice features, it's true - but it's the stubborn fixity of it that drives me nuts. This is what's getting me. Gnome used to (quite rightly) get told off for not being configurable. In the past few years it's come on leaps and bounds and is now rather useful. I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp

2011-06-09 Thread Colin Law
On 9 June 2011 12:37, gazz pmg...@gmx.co.uk wrote: ... about Unity It has some really nice features, it's true - but it's the stubborn fixity of it that drives me nuts. I can't have my usual widgets and it really is very, very clunky having to cycle through all the open windows constantly.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp

2011-06-09 Thread gazz
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 13:21 +0100, Colin Law wrote: Not sure what you mean by that, you can get to the window of an open app by clicking its icon in the launcher. Only it's main window, not if it has extra panels - the progress bar in file operations or any other pane opened by an

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users

2011-06-09 Thread Jon Reynolds
Here's a follow up from my Dad after I berated him a little about giving up too easily but also understanding how he just wants to get on with work... Me: Ah you give up too easily, I am sure you could do what you want to do but it would be a bit of a learning curve. But I can see why you

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users

2011-06-09 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 09/06/2011 14:17, Jon Reynolds wrote: Here's a follow up from my Dad after I berated him a little about giving up too easily but also understanding how he just wants to get on with work... Me: Ah you give up too easily, I am sure you could do what you want to do but it would be a bit of a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp

2011-06-09 Thread gazz
aaarrgghh! Just tried to stop it from deciding to fullscreen windows without consulting me - unticked 'grid' in the compiz settings and Unity promptly crashed the top bar taking all menus with it. Rebooted (couldn't log out), and Unity just spontaneously logged me out again as I opened a pane in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp

2011-06-09 Thread Tony Pursell
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 12:37 +0100, gazz wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 21:30 +0100, Liam Proven wrote: On 6 June 2011 15:57, gazz pmg...@gmx.co.uk wrote: Ah, dunno, haven't actually looked at Gnome 3 yet . . . if it's as bad as Unity - eeek! Unity is a /lot/ more like

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users

2011-06-09 Thread Avi Greenbury
Sarah Chard wrote: that's why it's really important to keep pushing open document formats And here's the problem. odf is the better format, MS Office is the better office suite. I'm not at all convinced that the traction against OOo/LO is entirely (or even mostly) down to people being

Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp

2011-06-09 Thread Avi Greenbury
gazz wrote: To Avi: my point is that I *didn't* used to do this stuff with a mouse but people keep urging me to do so in order to redress Unity's shortcomings. Oh, I didn't mean it as a workaround or an excuse, more as a general musing. OK I acknowledge that part of my moaning has to do

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users

2011-06-09 Thread alan c
On 08/06/11 11:00, Jon Reynolds wrote: My dad uses Windows and recently it completely crashed and the local computer shop said it needed reinstalling. So he lost all his programs. He decided he was going to try OpenOffice, which I thought was great. I also pointed out Libre office to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users

2011-06-09 Thread alan c
On 09/06/11 14:17, Jon Reynolds wrote: Here's a follow up from my Dad after I berated him a little about giving up too easily but also understanding how he just wants to get on with work... Me: Ah you give up too easily, I am sure you could do what you want to do but it would be a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users

2011-06-09 Thread Avi Greenbury
alan c wrote: It is not the same as physically having a chain of enslavement around the leg but if it was 'Freedom' being sold (it IS), exactly what price would that really be worth? Probably not a lot, really. I've not met many users of office suites who would make much use of the freedoms

Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp

2011-06-09 Thread Tony Pursell
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 14:38 +0100, gazz wrote: aaarrgghh! No menus unless you run panes fullscreen? What is this fetish for running panes fullscreen? When you have a window that is not fullscreen you can see its menu (if it has focus) if you mouse over the panel. There is discussion about

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users

2011-06-09 Thread gazz
Heh, I sorta prefer the LO interface to the old OOo one - and older versions of Office to newer ones too. Woh! Just figured out how grid actually works on Unity - OK, it's making me feel a whole lot less grumpy about it. For anyone else who can't do a thing with their wretched multi-panes

Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp

2011-06-09 Thread gazz
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 14:40 +0100, Tony Pursell wrote: Your comments would be welcome on the Ayatana mailing list (https://launchpad.net/~ayatana). At least by me. I quite like Unity, but there is a lot missing (like your 'usual widgets'). Something I am trying to get across to them

Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp

2011-06-09 Thread Alan Pope
On 9 June 2011 15:54, gazz pmg...@gmx.co.uk wrote: Oh super+w rocks - ta! If anyone else is scratching their heads about how to make Unity do what it's told without having to read the entire F* compiz manual, just found Ubuntu Geek lists the main kb shortcuts:

[ubuntu-uk] Kindle and Ubuntu

2011-06-09 Thread alan c
I have a friend who has a laptop with only Ubuntu on it, this was a deliberate decision. For various reasons they are now getting very interested in the Kindle, I understand there are models with WiFi of a couple of types (3g?). They do have a WiFi network. Anyone using a kindle with Ubuntu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kindle and Ubuntu

2011-06-09 Thread Simon Greenwood
On 9 June 2011 15:59, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: I have a friend who has a laptop with only Ubuntu on it, this was a deliberate decision. For various reasons they are now getting very interested in the Kindle, I understand there are models with WiFi of a couple of types (3g?).

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kindle and Ubuntu

2011-06-09 Thread Jon Spriggs
Alan, It appears as a mass storage device, and thus is adequately supported by Ubuntu. For conversion of documents from HTML and others to the native formats, the easiest thing to do is to e-mail the document to USERNAME_FROM_DEVICE@free.kindle.com to convert it, or use calibre to make the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kindle and Ubuntu

2011-06-09 Thread Alan Pope
On 9 June 2011 15:59, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Any comments about how 'compatible' a Kindle will be with Ubuntu? Install Calibre, use it. Don't worry about it. What functions of the product might be a problem? None. Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kindle and Ubuntu

2011-06-09 Thread alan c
On 09/06/11 15:59, alan c wrote: I have a friend who has a laptop with only Ubuntu on it, this was a deliberate decision. For various reasons they are now getting very interested in the Kindle, I understand there are models with WiFi of a couple of types (3g?). They do have a WiFi network.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kindle and Ubuntu

2011-06-09 Thread John Stevenson
On 9 June 2011 08:04, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote: On 9 June 2011 15:59, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Any comments about how 'compatible' a Kindle will be with Ubuntu? Install Calibre, use it. Don't worry about it. What functions of the product might be a problem? None.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kindle and Ubuntu

2011-06-09 Thread Tyler J. Wagner
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 08:17 -0700, John Stevenson wrote: 3G option allows you to download books when you are not connected to a WiFi network, it is not intended for use for browsing the Internet. Yet there is a browser, if you don't mind browsing the web on an e-ink display. A friend of mine

[ubuntu-uk] Meeting tonight

2011-06-09 Thread Alan Bell
Hi all, team meeting tonight at 9PM in #ubuntu-uk-meeting, amongst other things we plan to vote on the election process, including a modification discussed at the last meeting to set a 2 year maximum term before a new election will be called. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Elections Alan.

[ubuntu-uk] CDs

2011-06-09 Thread Alan Bell
below is an edited version of the article at http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/05/28/ubuntu-uk-loco-cds/ The allocation of CDs for the Ubuntu UK team arrived last week, to the excitement of the chickens. They have been using Kubuntu 10.10 for the last six months and are keen to evaluate

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users

2011-06-09 Thread Sarah Chard
O n Thu, 2011-06-09 at 14:44 +0100, Avi Greenbury wrote: And here's the problem. odf is the better format, MS Office is the better office suite. I'm not at all convinced that the traction against OOo/LO is entirely (or even mostly) down to people being used to MS Office and, much as it

[ubuntu-uk] launchpad wiki

2011-06-09 Thread john beddard
I entered some material onto my Launchpad Wiki yesterday. Returned to the my Launchpad page today : the Wiki and heading is no longer there. Does anyone have any idea how to retrieve the Wiki ? Many Thanks, John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Local Community team re-approval

2011-06-09 Thread Alan Bell
I have now created the re-approval application page on the wiki, right now it is just a blank template with the right headings, but we can start fleshing it out from there. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ReApprovalApplication2011 Alan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

[ubuntu-uk] wiki

2011-06-09 Thread john beddard
Thanks Alan, Will check it out. John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

[ubuntu-uk] Wacom bamboo and linux...

2011-06-09 Thread Timothy Rittman
Hi All, I said I'd report back on the wacom bamboo pen and touch (model CTH-460). It's taken me a little while to get round to it, but here are a few findings. In summary, the pen works well and the touch pad doesn't. Just for the record I'm using a 64-bit version of kubuntu natty with

Re: [ubuntu-uk] launchpad wiki

2011-06-09 Thread Alan Bell
On 09/06/11 20:30, john beddard wrote: I entered some material onto my Launchpad Wiki yesterday. Returned to the my Launchpad page today : the Wiki and heading is no longer there. Does anyone have any idea how to retrieve the Wiki ? Many Thanks, John yeah, you had managed to create a page

Re: [ubuntu-uk] launchpad wiki

2011-06-09 Thread john beddard
That's fantastic Alan ! Much Appreciated, John On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 21:44 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: On 09/06/11 20:30, john beddard wrote: I entered some material onto my Launchpad Wiki yesterday. Returned to the my Launchpad page today : the Wiki and heading is no longer there. Does

Re: [ubuntu-uk] CDs

2011-06-09 Thread alan c
On 09/06/11 18:39, Alan Bell wrote: I would really like the team to run a few bring-a-box installfests at university computing societies. If you want to help organise one that would be great, I am happy to support it with CDs and help get some people along to help. I got started years ago

Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp

2011-06-09 Thread Andres
hi since we are on the subject i tried to add a bash script to the launcher with no luck googled for a bit and found something else: http://maketecheasier.com/easily-create-quicklist-for-ubuntu-unity-launcher/2011/06/06 haven't tried it but looks really neat to use the submenus of the launcher to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Local Community team re-approval

2011-06-09 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi, sorry I was not at the meeting, but I'm a royalist, and the meeting clashed with a review of a certain consort to a certain Monarch in the UK. As the freeview recording box has died, i had to watch it live, as out in the sticks 256Kb upload link is totally unusable on bbc-replayer system.