Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-12 Thread pa...@fossbox.org.uk
Well, yes, but it's a license - for what it's worth in terms of practical enforcement but, nevertheless, a revised form of ol' fashioned civil law? Paula / www.fossbox.org.uk pa...@fossbox.org.uk Tel: 020 7481 8479 Skype: bastubis / Gordon Joly wrote: On 08/04/2010 10:14,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-12 Thread pa...@fossbox.org.uk
I think there has been general agreement in the silos of government since the 'mysociety No 10' fiasco that 'participatory' democracy is a bad idea because the public is too thick to understand the issues facing modern society. The public may stupidly associate the socialist party with outmoded

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-12 Thread pa...@fossbox.org.uk
Green Party has decent digital policies. But I live in a Labour stronghold in East London where there's a risk of BNP returning MPs in up to 4 boroughs. I'm not sure whether to vote strategically to try to keep the Tories/BNP out or to vote Green. BNP is fielding candidates in my Borough but it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-10 Thread Gordon Joly
On 07/04/2010 09:52, Thomas Ibbotson wrote: On 6 April 2010 23:18, doug liveseybiot...@gmail.com wrote: And if you're as appalled as other people, this may come in handy: http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/speakout/extremeinternetl You never know -- democracy might actually work. I know,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-10 Thread Gordon Joly
On 08/04/2010 10:14, pa...@fossbox.org.uk wrote: Also worth pointing out that GPL isn't threatening intellectual property protection -- it*is* a form of intellectual property protection - it just protects intellectual liberty rather than protecting the rich from a slight dip in their indecently

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-10 Thread Gordon Joly
On 08/04/2010 11:25, Alan Lord (News) wrote: If you check Hansard you even see which way, or if, your MP voted: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmtoday/cmdebate/32.htm That gave me a 404... I found this: http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2009-10/digitaleconomy.html Gordo

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-10 Thread Ashley Whetter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sounds like a right shambles. I contacted my local MP who I see on the list didn't vote at all, kinda makes me wonder if there is any point in MP's if they don't listen to the constituents. I also contacted my MP who said he and every other

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-10 Thread LeeGroups
Sounds like a right shambles. I contacted my local MP who I see on the list didn't vote at all, kinda makes me wonder if there is any point in MP's if they don't listen to the constituents. I also contacted my MP who said he and every other Liberal MP would be

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-10 Thread CShadowRun
LeeGroups wrote: Sounds like a right shambles. I contacted my local MP who I see on the list didn't vote at all, kinda makes me wonder if there is any point in MP's if they don't listen to the constituents. I also contacted my MP who said he and every other Liberal

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-09 Thread Andy
On 8 April 2010 11:25, Alan Lord (News) alansli...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmtoday/cmdebate/32.htm I got an error loading that URL, given it has cmtoday in it I guess it may only be valid on the day the debate is held. The following link has the list of who

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-09 Thread mac
Andy wrote: snip 189 MPs voted Yes (Aye), 47 voted No (Noe). There are 646 MPs so most of them couldn't even be bothered to vote. Worse yet, according to press reports many of those who voted did not attend the preceding debate. mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-09 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 09/04/10 16:58, mac wrote: Andy wrote: snip 189 MPs voted Yes (Aye), 47 voted No (Noe). There are 646 MPs so most of them couldn't even be bothered to vote. Worse yet, according to press reports many of those who voted did not attend the preceding debate. Most of the voters were Labour.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-09 Thread Thomas Ibbotson
On 9 April 2010 16:58, mac ammonius.grammati...@gmx.co.uk wrote: Andy wrote: snip 189 MPs voted Yes (Aye), 47 voted No (Noe). There are 646 MPs so most of them couldn't even be bothered to vote. Worse yet, according to press reports many of those who voted did not attend the preceding

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-09 Thread jim.cameron
Andy: 189 MPs voted Yes (Aye), 47 voted No (Noe). The majority of whom weren't present at the debate. You might very well think the bill was railroaded through by whatever MPs the whips could round up and herd into the chamber to vote the party line without even hearing it; I couldn't

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-09 Thread Rob Beard
On 09/04/10 17:06, jim.came...@buhlersortex.com wrote: Andy: 189 MPs voted Yes (Aye), 47 voted No (Noe). The majority of whom weren't present at the debate. You might very well think the bill was railroaded through by whatever MPs the whips could round up and herd into the chamber to vote

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-09 Thread Steve
On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:29:08 +0100, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote: It's a shame that I can't get the Metro newspaper down here, at least I haven't seen it (last time I saw it was when I was working in Sheffield). Rob

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-08 Thread jim.cameron
Daniel Case: More like It threatens out business so we dont like it I thought competition was meant to be good for the economy?? L'economie, c'est moi. jim -- Jim Cameron Software Engineer Buhler Sortex Limited Research and Development Department 20 Atlantis Avenue London E16 2BF Registered

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-08 Thread mac
jim.came...@buhlersortex.com wrote: L'economie, c'est moi. Blimey, are you really Peter Mandelson? mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-08 Thread pa...@fossbox.org.uk
Well, I think it's pushing it for megaluthorcorp to try to stop governments from supporting people in donating labour and resource to FOSS for the public good. It still mildly surprises me that they can be so barefaced in their lack of humanity and opposition to equality of opportunity. I hate to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-08 Thread Martin Topping
On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 10:49 +0100, Paul Morgan-Roach wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Ashley Whetter ashley.whet...@googlemail.com wrote: I've also emailed my MP. A good site for messaging your MP was on the Ubuntu uk podcast: www.writetothem.com. The third

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-08 Thread mac
Martin Topping wrote: snip So does anyone know where/when we can find out what actually happened wrt the Bill? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8608478.stm mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-08 Thread Thomas Ibbotson
On 7 April 2010 22:33, Martin Topping mtop6...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 10:49 +0100, Paul Morgan-Roach wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Ashley Whetter ashley.whet...@googlemail.com wrote:          I've also emailed my MP. A good site for messaging your MP         was

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-08 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 07/04/10 22:33, Martin Topping wrote: So does anyone know where/when we can find out what actually happened wrt the Bill? If you check Hansard you even see which way, or if, your MP voted: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmtoday/cmdebate/32.htm Please also remember our site

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-08 Thread Paul Taylor
When does this get put before the Lords? Is there enough time for the bill to be passed? If not, is this something that will persist until the next Parliament? Paul _

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-08 Thread John Matthews
On 08/04/10 11:35, Paul Taylor wrote: When does this get put before the Lords? Is there enough time for the bill to be passed? If not, is this something that will persist until the next Parliament? Paul

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-08 Thread Dan Fish
On 08/04/2010 11:25, Alan Lord (News) wrote: On 07/04/10 22:33, Martin Topping wrote: So does anyone know where/when we can find out what actually happened wrt the Bill? If you check Hansard you even see which way, or if, your MP voted:

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-08 Thread Thomas Ibbotson
On 8 April 2010 11:38, John Matthews jake...@sky.com wrote: On 08/04/10 11:35, Paul Taylor wrote: When does this get put before the Lords?  Is there enough time for the bill to be passed? If not, is this something that will persist until the next Parliament? Paul

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-08 Thread Paul Sutton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As I understand it the Bill has been passed, that was what the vote was yesterday. Its now law. John While the fight may continue past the election to get aspects of this or the whole thing overturned, i think those of us to have

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-08 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 12:00 +0100, Paul Sutton zl...@zleap.net wrote: While I understand why people download copyrighted material without paying for it, do it as they think the artists should get a better deal, we need to perhaps campaign for them to get a better deal. Let's get a fair deal

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-07 Thread Thomas Ibbotson
On 6 April 2010 23:18, doug livesey biot...@gmail.com wrote: And if you're as appalled as other people, this may come in handy: http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/speakout/extremeinternetl You never know -- democracy might actually work. I know, I know ... Ok I've emailed my MP. --

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-07 Thread Ashley Whetter
On 6 April 2010 23:18, doug livesey biot...@gmail.com wrote: And if you're as appalled as other people, this may come in handy: http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/speakout/extremeinternetl You never know -- democracy might actually work. I know, I know ... Ok I've emailed my MP. I've

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-07 Thread Harry Rickards
On 7 April 2010 10:37, Ashley Whetter ashley.whet...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6 April 2010 23:18, doug livesey biot...@gmail.com wrote: And if you're as appalled as other people, this may come in handy: http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/speakout/extremeinternetl You never know -- democracy

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-07 Thread Paul Morgan-Roach
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Ashley Whetter ashley.whet...@googlemail.com wrote: I've also emailed my MP. A good site for messaging your MP was on the Ubuntu uk podcast: www.writetothem.com. The third hearing of the bill should be on BBC Parliament today but I'm not sure what time it is

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-07 Thread jim.cameron
On 6 April 2010 23:18, doug livesey biot...@gmail.com wrote: And if you're as appalled as other people, this may come in handy: http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/speakout/extremeinternetl You never know -- democracy might actually work. I know, I know ... Ok I've emailed my MP. Most

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-07 Thread Daniel Case
Hahaha ^^ I'm in ~Daniel On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 3:20 PM, jim.came...@buhlersortex.com wrote: On 6 April 2010 23:18, doug livesey biot...@gmail.com wrote: And if you're as appalled as other people, this may come in handy: http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/speakout/extremeinternetl You

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-07 Thread James Thomas
What a fabulous idea! :) Shame I think the irony would be lost in the chambers... On 7 April 2010 15:22, Daniel Case danielcas...@googlemail.com wrote: Hahaha ^^ I'm in ~Daniel On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 3:20 PM, jim.came...@buhlersortex.com wrote: On 6 April 2010 23:18, doug livesey

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-07 Thread John Matthews
The problem is, you do that, and you get this happen, which is what I posted about earlier this week. http://mashable.com/2010/02/24/open-source-threatens-capitalism/ It seems that Open source is a threat to capitalism, and those who are loosing money because of it, are beginning to fight

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-07 Thread Daniel Case
Open source threatens capitalismwhat the hell :S More like It threatens out business so we dont like it I thought competition was meant to be good for the economy?? On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:53 PM, John Matthews jake...@sky.com wrote: The problem is, you do that, and you get this happen,

[ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-06 Thread Thomas Ibbotson
I'm surprised no-one's pointed this out yet: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8605648.stm Tom -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-06 Thread doug livesey
And if you're as appalled as other people, this may come in handy: http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/speakout/extremeinternetl You never know -- democracy might actually work. I know, I know ... On 6 April 2010 22:32, Thomas Ibbotson thomas.ibbot...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised no-one's

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Digital economy bill

2010-04-06 Thread Jon Farmer
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 22:32 +0100, Thomas Ibbotson wrote: I'm surprised no-one's pointed this out yet: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8605648.stm Tom So on one hand the other side are using emotive language. Then he goes on to quote Carter and say copyright infringement is theft,