Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-23 Thread Jai Harrison
Hey, I'd just like to correct the misconception about audio format support in Windows XP. Windows XP only comes with WMA playback support! MP3 codecs cost money to the user and,although most machines bought with Windows on have had the MP3 codecs installed, it doesn't make MP3 support a part of Wi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-18 Thread Sean Miller
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:02 PM, LeeGroups wrote: > Yes, I can remember playing chess (against the computer!) on a 1K  ZX81... > ...well I say 1K, think the video used some memory, so the program was > less then 700 bytes and it still played a good game of chess... They managed to create a half-d

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-18 Thread LeeGroups
Sean Miller wrote: > 3GB of RAM shouldn't be necessary... software these days are so bloated. > > Kids these days wouldn't believe what our galiant heros managed to > extract out of 48k back in the good old days... not to mention the > last generation of games on the 1k ZX81. > > Sean Yes, I can

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-18 Thread James Milligan
On 18 Jul 2009, at 10:54, Sean Miller wrote: > 3GB of RAM shouldn't be necessary... software these days are so > bloated. > > Kids these days wouldn't believe what our galiant heros managed to > extract out of 48k back in the good old days... not to mention the > last generation of games on the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-18 Thread Sean Miller
3GB of RAM shouldn't be necessary... software these days are so bloated. Kids these days wouldn't believe what our galiant heros managed to extract out of 48k back in the good old days... not to mention the last generation of games on the 1k ZX81. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://list

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-18 Thread James Milligan
On 16 Jul 2009, at 22:28, LeeGroups wrote: > >> People do want a work out of the box machine, and Ubuntu isnt totally >> out of the box, it does need other bits and pieces added, and >> unless you >> know that, it doesnt work how most people are used to having a >> machine >> work. Unless you

Re: [ubuntu-uk] where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-17 Thread Matthew Daubney
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 05:16 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: > And I'm not quite sure what the objections to the music clients are > either... are you bemoaning the lack of iTunes, perchance? I > certainly don't miss Windows Media Player!! Bloatware of the highest > order. > > Sean > I have to adm

Re: [ubuntu-uk] where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-17 Thread Sean Miller
I've never encountered such behaviour. Strange... Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-17 Thread Rowan Berkeley
Sean Miller said: > What's wrong with the e-mailer? You have a choice of multiple e-mail > clients, Evolution and Thunderbird being the most popular, but there > are many others in the repos. Far better than Outlook Express or > whatever. Rob Beard said: > What E-Mail application and Music Pla

Re: [ubuntu-uk] where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-17 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 17/07/09 08:29, Rob Beard wrote: > Rowan Berkeley wrote: >> However, on my new machine, a 'Linux Emporium' Lenovo N-500 running >> Ubuntu 9.04, there are no problems at all. I would say that Ubuntu falls >> short in its applications clients, notably the music player and >> e-mailer. >> > What E-

Re: [ubuntu-uk] where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-17 Thread Rob Beard
Rowan Berkeley wrote: > However, on my new machine, a 'Linux Emporium' Lenovo N-500 running > Ubuntu 9.04, there are no problems at all. I would say that Ubuntu falls > short in its applications clients, notably the music player and > e-mailer. > What E-Mail application and Music Player are you

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-17 Thread Rob Beard
William Anderson wrote: > Steve wrote: > >> [snip] >> >> Just wait. October will be even more fun as people try to upgrade from >> vista to 7. I've already told a few it's going to cost them more than the >> usual couple of pints to sort the mess out. >> > > From what I've heard, upgra

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-17 Thread Rob Beard
Steve wrote: > > Just wait. October will be even more fun as people try to upgrade from > vista to 7. I've already told a few it's going to cost them more than the > usual couple of pints to sort the mess out. > Yup, no doubt a good few hours backing up gigs of data, photos, music, videos

Re: [ubuntu-uk] where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-16 Thread Sean Miller
What's wrong with the e-mailer? You have a choice of multiple e-mail clients: evolution and Thunderbird being the most popular, but there are many others in the repos. Far better than Outlook Express or whatever. And I'm not quite sure what the objections to the music clients are either... are y

Re: [ubuntu-uk] where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-16 Thread Rowan Berkeley
Lee wrote: > ... the laptop is whining that the existing drivers have been 'specially modified by the manufacturer to improve performance on this computer' and won't let the Intel drivers install. That is exactly what was wrong with my 'Linux Certified' machine. Online Ubuntu updates had the effe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-16 Thread Daniel Drummond
William Anderson wrote: > Steve wrote: > >> [snip] >> >> Just wait. October will be even more fun as people try to upgrade from >> vista to 7. I've already told a few it's going to cost them more than the >> usual couple of pints to sort the mess out. >> > > From what I've heard, upgra

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-16 Thread William Anderson
Steve wrote: > [snip] > > Just wait. October will be even more fun as people try to upgrade from > vista to 7. I've already told a few it's going to cost them more than the > usual couple of pints to sort the mess out. >From what I've heard, upgrading from Vista to 7 RC is pretty straight for

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-16 Thread Liam Proven
2009/7/16 Rob Beard : > Actually this is a common misconception.  A default installation of > Windows XP from an original installation CD doesn't come with much.  You > get the OS, Internet Explorer, and one or two apps (Media Player, > Notepad, Wordpad, Paint, Windows Messenger, Outlook Express*)

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-16 Thread Daniel Drummond
> > "Non-geeks", probably... "complete novices in the Outer Hebrides with > loads of local friends using Windows" Actually when I lived in the Outer Hebrides, on Lewis in particular, the people were quite IT literate, and in Ness, at the very north of the island there was a Linux Centre. http

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-16 Thread Steve
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:28:23 +0100, LeeGroups wrote: > > I'd like to say this kind of thing is uncommon, but if you're 'unpaid > tech support' you see an awful lot of it, if you're paid tech support, > you'll see this kind of thing daily. So - 'works out of the box' I > wouldn't exactly say it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-16 Thread LeeGroups
> People do want a work out of the box machine, and Ubuntu isnt totally > out of the box, it does need other bits and pieces added, and unless you > know that, it doesnt work how most people are used to having a machine > work. Unless you spend a lot of time reading through the pages and pages

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-16 Thread Rob Beard
John Matthews wrote: > People do want a work out of the box machine, and Ubuntu isnt totally > out of the box, it does need other bits and pieces added, and unless you > know that, it doesnt work how most people are used to having a machine > work. Actually this is a common misconception. A

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-16 Thread John Matthews
> > Same issue as that John fella, with his difficulties understanding > shell. As there are currently more people using Windows by Linux (by > quite some way) then those who need "friends to come around to help" > would probably be better with Windows. > > But I'd probably suggest Linux to those

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-16 Thread doug livesey
>You've had issues with keyboards? Never heard of that one before... > what type of keyboard? And what was the issue? The machine I set up for someone else, I set up using my preferred layout (Dvorák), and then set it to normal ASCII, but it keeps reverting. No big deal, but annoying, especiall

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-16 Thread Sean Miller
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:58 PM, doug livesey wrote: > amazing developers here, but the issues I had/have with sound cards & > keyboards, and that I've had/have with other machines with sound & wireless > connections, mean that I could not recommend Ubuntu to an 'average' user -- You've had issues

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-16 Thread Rob Beard
Chris Weaver wrote: > It been about 3 months since I switched the machines from XP to ubuntu > here in the radio station I work at. I have asked the 30+ volunteers > earlier today, what they like and dislike about Ubuntu so we'll see > how they compare. > > - Chris Weaver Oh I really do envy you

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-16 Thread Chris Weaver
It been about 3 months since I switched the machines from XP to ubuntu here in the radio station I work at. I have asked the 30+ volunteers earlier today, what they like and dislike about Ubuntu so we'll see how they compare. - Chris Weaver -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/m

[ubuntu-uk] Where Ubuntu falls short

2009-07-16 Thread doug livesey
Hi -- just sharing a couple of thoughts, really, as an Ubuntu user of 6 months or so. The first is, for myself, I *love* using linux, and am very happy I made the switch to Ubuntu. That said, I am a programmer, and a geek, and so am getting the most benefit from the tools that linux users have long