Re: Exciting new software release!

2003-04-04 Thread John Cowan
Doug Ewell scripsit: Tags constructed wholly from the codes that are assigned interpretations by this chapter do not need to be registered with IANA before use. Does the -ny subtag fail this criterion because RFC 3066 does not explicitly assign the ISO 3166-2 interpretation? Yes. The

Re: Ancient Greek

2003-04-04 Thread William Overington
Chris Hopkins wrote as follows. quote I am a new list member interested in implementing archaic, classical and Hellenistic Greek glyphs in a Unicode font. My initial questions will be focused on handling multiple alternate glyphs for each character, and how to organize a font with several

Re: Exciting new software release!

2003-04-04 Thread William Overington
Doug Ewell wrote as follows. quote What happened to LTag? Well, as everybody knows, the Unicode Technical Committee strongly discourages the usage of these tags, to the point were they were almost deprecated earlier this year. They are permitted only in special protocols, and are certainly

Re: Exciting new software release!

2003-04-04 Thread William Overington
Doug Ewell wrote as follows. I'll mail it, or maybe repost it, after I finish applying a nice, THICK coating. I'm thinking about one of those expired-shareware message boxes where the OK button is disabled for the first five seconds. But I'd like to get this third-subtag question resolved

Re: Exciting new software release!

2003-04-04 Thread William Overington
Stefan Persson wrote as follows. quote Well, let's say that I make a plain text document and include a mathematical formula or funtion such as cos x, it would still be legal to use an italic x from the mathematical block, wouldn't it? This is what those characters are intended for, right? end

Re: Exciting new software release!

2003-04-04 Thread John Cowan
William Overington scripsit: How should that be set in Unicode plain text? Is it to use the letters for cos from the range U+0020 to U+007E and then use U+1D466 for the y and U+1D465 for the x? Just so. I note that U+1D465 MATHEMATICAL ITALIC SMALL X in the code chart has the following

Re: Exciting new software release!

2003-04-04 Thread Michael Everson
At 08:03 -0500 2003-04-04, John Cowan wrote: There are, strictly speaking (some typographer correct me please if I am wrong), no italic sans serif fonts, but only slanted sans serif fonts. Oblique -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com

Re: Ancient Greek

2003-04-04 Thread jameskass
. William Overington wrote, What please is a Hellenistic monogram? I am wondering whether this is going to be a good application of the Private Use Area, either on a permanent basis or on a temporary basis pending making a formal encoding application. In either case, reading about the

RE: UTF-24

2003-04-04 Thread Carl W. Brown
Doug, Most likely because no modern computer uses a 3-byte (24-bit) internal processing unit, and because it would be false economy for real-world Unicode text (see (1) and (2) above). What would be worse is to have an implementation like the old IBM 360 computers where the 24 bit addresses

Re: Exciting new software release!

2003-04-04 Thread Curtis Clark
John Cowan wrote: There are, strictly speaking (some typographer correct me please if I am wrong), no italic sans serif fonts, but only slanted sans serif fonts. I believe Adobe Myriad claims a true italic; the letterforms are sans versions of standard italic letterforms, rather than obliques of

Re: Exciting new software release!

2003-04-04 Thread John Hudson
At 05:03 AM 4/4/2003, John Cowan wrote: There are, strictly speaking (some typographer correct me please if I am wrong), no italic sans serif fonts, but only slanted sans serif fonts. You're wrong. There are now plenty of true italic (i.e. cursive) sans serif fonts; it has been a couple of

Re: Exciting new software release!

2003-04-04 Thread John Cowan
John Hudson scripsit: You're wrong. There are now plenty of true italic (i.e. cursive) sans serif fonts; it has been a couple of decades at least since obliqued roman went out of style for sans serif typefaces. Ah, thanks. The old error surrenders, but never dies. -- Do what you will,

Re: Ancient Greek

2003-04-04 Thread Edward C. D. Hopkins
John, Thank you for the suggestions; I am already a member of VOLT and other font developer lists, but have been unsuccessful in joining the Topica OpenType list. Whatever the problem, I get no responses from Topica tech support. I am unable to unsubscribe nor send messages to the list. If you

Re: Ancient Greek

2003-04-04 Thread Edward C. D. Hopkins
William, Yes, I am very interested in the Unicode aspects of handling multiple glyphs of one Greek character. My original thoughts were to use the PUA, but some knowledgeable people have suggested I ask for advice on this list for ideas before using the PUA. Essentially, I have two issues. First

Locales vs. Language codes

2003-04-04 Thread Mark Davis
By the way, a few people have been discussing possible solutions to some of the problems with language codes (and their relation to locales), which may be of interest to some people here. The discussion has just been switched to http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages, which has

Re: ogonek vs. retroflex hook

2003-04-04 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Peter continued: Ken Whistler wrote on 04/02/2003 03:54:10 PM: That isn't the only convention. I am finding several samples of typographic retroflex hook being used to indicate nasalisation of vowels. Jim Allan is right. It is the *ogonek* which is used to signify the nasalization

Re: ogonek vs. retroflex hook

2003-04-04 Thread Peter_Constable
Kenneth Whistler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/04/2003 02:25:02 PM: They are very clearly the retroflex hook and not ogonek. This last is a fallacious statement on its face. Why you would feel that such user sense of the characters they are using is belied by your analysis of the shape

Re: ogonek vs. retroflex hook

2003-04-04 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Peter, Why you would feel that such user sense of the characters they are using is belied by your analysis of the shape of the hooks used in the IJAL font is beyond me. I'm sorry I wasn't clearer. I was not referring to their status in terms of defining characters. I was *only*

Re: ogonek vs. retroflex hook

2003-04-04 Thread Peter_Constable
Kenneth Whistler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/04/2003 05:09:25 PM: There is another convention, admittedly far less widespread: cedilla. I don't think this is an accepted convention. No, not very widespread. I think those instances where you find a linguist publishing using vowels with

Re: ogonek vs. retroflex hook

2003-04-04 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Peter, Note that the example you posted also had an h-ogonek, so the usage is not limited to vowels, per se. Indeed. (Although that particular entity itself is a little bizarre, since you cannot really nasalize a voiceless glottal fricative. Then you'd be even more surprised

Re: ogonek vs. retroflex hook

2003-04-04 Thread Jim Allan
From _The Unicode Standard Version 3.0_, chapter 7.1, European Alphabetic Scripts, Latin Extended-A: U+0100U+017F: In general, characters with cedillas or ogoneks below are subject to variable typographical usage, depending on the availability and quality of fonts used, the technology, and the