Yeah, I know. But like I said, who uses this?
I have a QWERTY keyboard in front of me. I use a standard en-GB key mapping.
Now I _could_ customise my keymap such that Right-Alt + HYPHEN MINUS yielded
MINUS SIGN. Wouldn't that be great? Then I could write things like x = -5;
unambiguously. But it
I disagree.
A post-Windows, post-Linux, Operating System for the 21st century intended
for global use, should ideally support the whole of Unicode.
There are, in fact, people working on such projects.
Jill
-Original Message-
From: Jim Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday,
Thanks, but not good enough.
What guarantee do I have that other Unicode characters will not be added in
the future which have the property Hex_Digit?
How do I write an algorithm which will convert Unicode hex characters to
hexadecimal which is guaranteed to work for all future versions of
On 19/08/2003 01:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I disagree.
A post-Windows, post-Linux, Operating System for the 21st century intended
for global use, should ideally support the whole of Unicode.
There are, in fact, people working on such projects.
Jill
Well, whatever might be new about this
Doug Ewell wrote:
Shouldn't a pint of beer be administratively fixed at 500
mL, just as a fifth of liquor in America is now
officially 750 mL? Seems like a good task for an ISO
working group.
You could generalize it a bit: Alignment Of Metric And Imperial Units Whose
Difference Is So Small
Well that just proves my point then.
There are indeed some things that DO need to support the whole of Unicode
(more or less).
Jill
-Original Message-
From: Peter Kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:30 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
On 19/08/2003 02:51, Marco Cimarosti wrote:
Doug Ewell wrote:
Shouldn't a pint of beer be administratively fixed at 500
mL, just as a fifth of liquor in America is now
officially 750 mL? Seems like a good task for an ISO
working group.
You could generalize it a bit: Alignment Of Metric
Marco Cimarosti schreef:
E.g., I never understood why on earth metres and yards should be
kept
different. In a public park somewhere in UK or Ireland I have seen
the
following sign:
TOILETS ---
50 yds (45.72 m)
It must be a really urgent need if one cares about those 3.28
In Esperanto, there is no word for yard. If you want to say It was 50
yards away you are expected to convert the distance to meters before
translation. Such is the requirement of a global language.
However, Esperanto was not entirely successful in its goal to become a
second language for
At 13:18 +0200 2003-08-19, Pim Blokland wrote:
You might as well suggest we abolish the yard altogether!
What a superb idea.
--
Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
Marco Cimarosti scripsit:
You could generalize it a bit: Alignment Of Metric And Imperial Units Whose
Difference Is So Small As To Be Pointless.
E.g., I never understood why on earth metres and yards should be kept
different. In a public park somewhere in UK or Ireland I have seen the
Michael Everson scripsit:
At 13:18 +0200 2003-08-19, Pim Blokland wrote:
You might as well suggest we abolish the yard altogether!
What a superb idea.
'Sblood, nay! I love the metric system as well as any, but have no
desire to have my yard abolished.
--
Do I contradict myself?
At 08:41 -0400 2003-08-19, John Cowan wrote:
Michael Everson scripsit:
At 13:18 +0200 2003-08-19, Pim Blokland wrote:
You might as well suggest we abolish the yard altogether!
What a superb idea.
'Sblood, nay! I love the metric system as well as any, but have no
desire to have my yard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] scripsit:
However, Esperanto was not entirely successful in its goal to become a
second language for everyone, given that more people speak Klingon than
Esperanto,
Entirely false. Esperanto speakers are numbered in the millions, including
hundreds, perhaps thousands, who
Compatibility characters:
The recommendations for compatibility characters are necessarily vague,
since their use in legacy data (and legacy environments) is strongly
dependent on what is (or was) customary in a given environment.
If a process merely warehouses text data (or parses only a very
Jill Ramonsky asked...
What guarantee do I have that other Unicode characters will not be
added in the future which have the property Hex_Digit?
You don't have a guarantee of much in the future, except as indicated in
the Unicode stability policies.
Realistically, however, you're probably
Michael Everson scripsit:
'Sblood, nay! I love the metric system as well as any, but have no
desire to have my yard abolished.
It shall pass the way of the cubit and the stadia
Michael. Look up yard in that OED of yours. Then tell me again just
how much you wish to have it abolished.
Ah, that explains it. You had filed this against ICU, not UCA; that explains why
I couldn't find it in the Unicode reports.
A. Final.
1) Precedence of Dagesh over Final/non-Final: in the chart, the presence
or absence of Dagesh is a Secundary difference, while Final/non-Final is a
Tertiary
Pim Blokland wrote:
It must be a really urgent need if one cares about those 3.28
metres...
4.28 actually.
Ooops.
But are you serious about lengthening the yard to be the same size
as the meter?
I was just joking...
Ha! Fat chance! You might as well suggest we abolish the yard
Michael Everson everson at evertype dot com wrote:
'Sblood, nay! I love the metric system as well as any, but have no
desire to have my yard abolished.
It shall pass the way of the cubit and the stadia
Not as long as educational materials for children continue to include
conversion
Jill Ramonsky posted on the minus sign:
Yeah, I know. But like I said, who uses this?
Books are normally produced today using computer typesetting. Look in
any mathematics text or any well printed book for minus signs. Hyphens
and minus signs are distinct (except when showing computer
-Original Message-
From: Rick McGowan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hexadecimal again (was RE: Clones)
My apologies if I have offended you (though I'm not quite sure how I might
have done). Let me reassure you that
Marco Cimarosti marco dot cimarosti at essetre dot it wrote:
E.g., I never understood why on earth metres and yards should be kept
different. In a public park somewhere in UK or Ireland I have seen the
following sign:
TOILETS ---
50 yds (45.72 m)
Around the 1970s, it became
on 2003-08-19 02:51 Marco Cimarosti wrote:
TOILETS ---
50 yds (45.72 m)
To be precise, it should have said 50.00 yards (or perhaps 46 m).
--
Curtis Clark http://www.csupomona.edu/~jcclark/
Mockingbird Font Works http://www.mockfont.com/
At 08:37 -0700 2003-08-19, Doug Ewell wrote:
Around the 1970s, it became fashionable for baseball stadiums to display
field dimensions on the outfield walls in meters as well as feet.
Because of the Canadians?
--
Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
on 2003-08-19 04:18 Pim Blokland wrote:
Ha! Fat chance! You might as well suggest we abolish the yard
altogether!
Then, how would I have a yard sale? (or even a yard sail?)
--
Curtis Clark http://www.csupomona.edu/~jcclark/
Mockingbird Font Works
At 10:39 -0400 2003-08-19, John Cowan wrote:
Michael. Look up yard in that OED of yours. Then tell me again just
how much you wish to have it abolished.
It will be a great day when the US finally accepts and implements the
metric system.
--
Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * *
On 2003 ¦~ 8 ¤ë 19 ¤é ¬P´Á¤G, at 9:18 AM, Jim Allan wrote (rhetorically):
Must every font contain every Unicode character?
FWIW, it's no longer possible for a TrueType/OpenType font to contain
every Unicode character with a distinct glyph. (Apple's LastResort
font does it, of course, but by
At some time in the 70's when I was at conference to mark the centenary of
the Greenwich meridian I learned that the French agreed to give up the Paris
meridian if the British agreed to go metric-and that was over a century ago
!
Maybe the U.S. could be bribed to go metric if they were allowed to
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Cowan
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:41 PM
To: Marco Cimarosti
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SPAM: Re: [Way OT] Beer measurements (was: Re:
Handwritten EURO sign)
It's bad enough to
Michael Everson scripsit:
Michael. Look up yard in that OED of yours. Then tell me again just
how much you wish to have it abolished.
It will be a great day when the US finally accepts and implements the
metric system.
I agree entirely.
--
One Word to write them all, John
-Original Message-
Date/Time:Tue Aug 19 13:20:07 EDT 2003
Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Report Type: Other Question, Problem, or Feedback
Dear Sirs,
Is there a mapping table from Unicode 4.0 to the GB
18030-2000 standard available for download?
Thanks in advance,
On Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:46 PM, Raymond Mercier wrote:
At some time in the 70's when I was at conference to mark the centenary of
the Greenwich meridian I learned that the French agreed to give up the
Paris
meridian if the British agreed to go metric-and that was over a century
ago
!
Yes, I am sick and tired of dealing with this horrible non-decimal measurement
system the US has for time: the number of units per other unit vary all across
the board: 60..61 : 1, 60 : 1, 24 : 1, 28..31 : 1, 12 : 1, 365..366 : 1 --
awful. At least with inches, feet, and miles, the number of feet
Hi Will,
The ICU library is a good source for information like this. See:
http://oss.software.ibm.com/icu/charset/
The data table is located here:
http://oss.software.ibm.com/cvs/icu/charset/data/xml/gb-18030-2000.xml
Read the note on the first page.
There are official sources as well, but I
Such opinions - and they are not necessarily isolated cranks - make one
wonder if there is not a huge outreach gap in Unicode's longterm strategy.
A session on internet African languages that was part of the WSIS prepcom
in Bamako last year was critical of Unicode as it is. An individual on the
John == John Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John (Apple's LastResort font [contains every Unicode character],
John of course, but by virtually of rampant reuse of glyphs.)
Does this Generate glyphs like the following ascii- utf8-art?
+--+
|AB|AB
|CD|
How is it that Unicode doesn't satisfy the requirements of the
languages of Africa?
--
Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
At 15:04 -0400 2003-08-19, James H. Cloos Jr. wrote:
John == John Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John (Apple's LastResort font [contains every Unicode character],
John of course, but by virtually of rampant reuse of glyphs.)
Does this Generate glyphs like the following ascii- utf8-art?
No.
Ted Hopp writes
Since we're speaking of the French (we are, aren't we?) what ever happened
to French Revolutionary Metric Time?
The other French attempts were less successful, such as the 12 30-day
months. The French names for the months Vendmiaire, etc., were parodied in
an English version:
John Cowan recently said:
Marco Cimarosti scripsit:
You could generalize it a bit: Alignment Of Metric And Imperial Units Whose
Difference Is So Small As To Be Pointless.
E.g., I never understood why on earth metres and yards should be kept
different. In a public park somewhere in UK
On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 15:45, Michael Everson wrote:
At 15:04 -0400 2003-08-19, James H. Cloos Jr. wrote:
John == John Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John (Apple's LastResort font [contains every Unicode character],
John of course, but by virtually of rampant reuse of glyphs.)
Does
Mark,
Yes, I am sick and tired of dealing with this horrible
non-decimal measurement
system the US has for time: the number of units per other unit
vary all across
the board: 60..61 : 1, 60 : 1, 24 : 1, 28..31 : 1, 12 : 1,
365..366 : 1 --
awful. At least with inches, feet, and miles,
Timothy Partridge scripsit:
In the UK the inch is now defined as 25.4mm rather than a subdivision of a
standard yard kept under lock and key.
True enough, but the yard is still exactly 36 inches.
--
If you have ever wondered if you are in hell, John Cowan
it has been said, then you
Michael Everson wrote:
The Last
Resort Font has glyphs for all the characters, so it's the last one
looked at.
I hope that it is not just for that reason that it is the last one
looked at.
Jim Allan
I believe Don was saying that the problem is generally one of education and
outreach (also in those people's language of education, often French).
But, if forced, I could mention Berbère.
P. Andries
- o - 0 - o -
ISO 10646 en français
UTR n° 20 en cours de traduction (révision bienvenue)
Three points.
First, While we try to make the the UCA collation table (DUCET) as reasonable as
possible for the main languages of a given script, it is not guaranteed to
produce the correct sorting for any particular language. The UCA *is* designed
so that it provides a default base ordering for
At 16:24 -0400 2003-08-19, Owen Taylor wrote:
No. It generates much much better glyphs than that. See
http://developer.apple.com/fonts/LastResortFont/
Of course, better here really depends on what you want. Prettier? Yes.
Thanks. :-)
More useful for Joe User who gets Sinhala spam? Yes.
Ted Hopp wrote:
Sorry, it would have to be Greenbank, not Washington.
Greenbank. Hm... has a nice ring to it. Greenbank... Greenbank Mean
Time. I could live with that.
On a (hardly) more serious note, Mark Davis wrote:
this horrible non-decimal measurement system the US
has for time: the
At 16:51 -0400 2003-08-19, Jim Allan wrote:
The Last Resort Font has glyphs for all the characters, so it's the last one
looked at.
I hope that it is not just for that reason that it is the last one looked at.
Eh? The system looks for Unicode glyphs in all the other fonts and if
there's no
Michael Everson scripsit:
No. It generates much much better glyphs than that. See
http://developer.apple.com/fonts/LastResortFont/
Out of mild curiosity: (a) what font did you use to create the legends
in the frame of each glyph; (b) are all the various representative glyphs
drawn from a
Carl W. Brown scripsit:
I also have a hard time remembering that a Hundredweight c.w.t is
112 pounds. I am glad that it is not in common usage.
The Imperial cwt is indeed 112 lb, but the U.S. customary cwt remains 100 lb.
But working on a house with feet, inches and fractions drives me
I've spam enough without all this chit-chat. Go find yourselves a chat room!
Don Osborn wondered:
Such opinions - and they are not necessarily isolated cranks - make one
wonder if there is not a huge outreach gap in Unicode's longterm strategy.
Perhaps. Although I don't think I would characterize it as a huge gap.
A session on internet African languages that was
On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 17:08, Michael Everson wrote:
At 16:24 -0400 2003-08-19, Owen Taylor wrote:
If you have a Last Resort style font, Pango should pick it up as well.
I don't know what Pango is but I guess it isn't relevant to me...
It was mentioned in the mail that you replied to
John,
A kilosec is a reasonable amount of time to wait for a late appointment
(in some countries, anyhow).
A megasec is enough time to do a small project.
If a marriage lasts a gigasec, it is doing very well.
1 pictun = 20 baktun = 2,880,000 days = approx. 7885 years
1 calabtun = 20
Does anyone know if Metacode (http://www.cs.fit.edu/~satkin/docs/dissertation.pdf)
ever had any momentum?
Resending with the correct address...
On 19/08/2003 07:24, Mark Davis wrote:
B. Dagesh
2) There is something strange in the combinations of Shin with Dagesh and
dots: for all other letters, the form without Dagesh sorts before the form
with Dagesh. But Shin with Sin/Shin dot sort after their
Resending with the correct address...
On 19/08/2003 14:23, Mark Davis wrote:
Three points.
First, While we try to make the the UCA collation table (DUCET) as reasonable as
possible for the main languages of a given script, it is not guaranteed to
produce the correct sorting for any particular
At 17:26 -0400 2003-08-19, John Cowan wrote:
Michael Everson scripsit:
No. It generates much much better glyphs than that. See
http://developer.apple.com/fonts/LastResortFont/
Out of mild curiosity: (a) what font did you use to create the legends
in the frame of each glyph;
Chicago.
(b) are
Resending with the correct address...
On 19/08/2003 13:49, Carl W. Brown wrote:
Mark,
Yes, I am sick and tired of dealing with this horrible
non-decimal measurement
system the US has for time: the number of units per other unit
vary all across
the board: 60..61 : 1, 60 : 1, 24 : 1, 28..31
I forgot the most important point of all:
The goal for UCA 4.0 is to top it up to the Unicode 4.0 repertoire. The
timeframe for that is quite short -- it was to have been done some time ago --
and we don't want to make any changes that we would want to pull out later when
we work with SC22/WG20.
At 14:42 -0700 2003-08-19, Kenneth Whistler wrote:
And the posting below...
Or more benignly, an eminent linguist who seriously questions how one can
treat several scripts on a single computer.
Golly, I was able to distinguish Latin and Georgian and Cyrillic on a
Mac SE 30 in 1985. Or was it
Curtis == Curtis Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Marco TOILETS --- 50 yds (45.72 m)
Curtis To be precise, it should have said 50.00 yards (or perhaps 46 m).
Actually, 50 only has one significant digit, so that would
in fact round to 50 m afterall.
-JimC
Michael, See
http://www.geneva2003.org/bamako2002/doc_html/languagesandinternet-en.html .
The concern there was evidently about lack of precomposed characters, and
the Consortium's decision not to add any more. Though as others have
pointed out elsewhere, dynamic composition should address these
Patrick, What characters are lacking for Berber? I thought I understood
(from others) that the Latin and Arabic transcriptions were covered and all
that remains is Tifinagh, which of course is in the pipeline. Don
- Original Message -
From: Patrick Andries [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL
On 19/08/2003 14:42, Kenneth Whistler wrote:
A session on internet African languages that was part of the WSIS prepcom
in Bamako last year was critical of Unicode as it is. An individual on the
newsgroup fr.comp.normes.unicode denounced Unicode as an American scheme.
The problem is, like
- Message d'origine -
De: Don Osborn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Patrick, What characters are lacking for Berber? I thought I understood
(from others) that the Latin and Arabic transcriptions were covered and
all
that remains is Tifinagh, which of course is in the pipeline. Don
Well, the
Jim Allan wrote:
Jill Ramonsky posted on the minus sign:
Yeah, I know. But like I said, who uses this?
Books are normally produced today using computer typesetting. Look in
any mathematics text or any well printed book for minus signs. Hyphens
and minus signs are distinct (except
Please be advised that this subject has already occupied considerable UTC
committee time in the past, and this proposal must pass muster as bringing
forward new ideas on the subject. Once it has been posted, I will review
it. I will also post to the lists references to past discussions on the
Ted Hopp ted at newslate dot com wrote:
Since we're speaking of the French (we are, aren't we?) what ever
happened to French Revolutionary Metric Time?
It was revived in 1998, but the meridian was moved to Switzerland, the
day was divided into 1000 beats instead of 10 hours of 100 minutes
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Raymond Mercier wrote:
At some time in the 70's when I was at conference to mark the centenary of
the Greenwich meridian I learned that the French agreed to give up the Paris
meridian if the British agreed to go metric-and that was over a century ago
!
I have no idea
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