Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-03 Thread Steffen Daode Nurpmeso
Kent Karlsson wrote [2012-01-02 22:03+0100]: > Except that MacOS X *applications* (as apart from more POSIXy programs, > and Terminal.app) should not use the POSIX locales, but should use the > CLDR locales (via an Apple API or via ICU)... (Yes, I know, CLDR have > POSIX locales format files coveri

Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-02 Thread Kent Karlsson
Except that MacOS X *applications* (as apart from more POSIXy programs, and Terminal.app) should not use the POSIX locales, but should use the CLDR locales (via an Apple API or via ICU)... (Yes, I know, CLDR have POSIX locales format files covering **some** of the CLDR data...) And ISO 8859-15? R

Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-02 Thread Steffen Daode Nurpmeso
Hi, > >How? I am not a programmer. Applications -> Utilities -> Terminal.app $ man 1 mklocale $ man 1 colldef > pay somebody to do it for you $ cd $TMPDIR $ mkdir c:\\vodka && cd c\:\\vodka # yes it's still Mac OS X $ curl 'http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/~checkou

Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-02 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2012-01-01, Michael Everson wrote: > So it is. Do you know how to compile system-level sorting algorithms for such > a real operating system? No, but if I wanted to I would find out. If MacOS has left the standard-ish Unixy documentation around, man 5 locale should tell you the format of loc

Re: Sorting and Volapük (from Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük))

2012-01-02 Thread William_J_G Overington
Michael Everson wrote: > On 1 Jan 2012, at 19:46, Julian Bradfield wrote: ... > > So you should be able to define your own locales. > > How? I am not a programmer. Well, the first step is to try to find out what is needed, by trying to find an analogous case. For example, does your com

Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-01 Thread Michael Everson
On 1 Jan 2012, at 21:13, Erkki I Kolehmainen wrote: > How much data do you have for Volapük? More than anyone else, and we need a locale. I did not know there were two lists. Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

RE: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-01 Thread Erkki I Kolehmainen
ta do you have for Volapük? Regards, Erkki -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: unicode-bou...@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bou...@unicode.org] Puolesta Michael Everson Lähetetty: 1. tammikuuta 2012 22:51 Vastaanottaja: unicode Unicode Discussion Aihe: Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Vo

Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-01 Thread Michael Everson
On 1 Jan 2012, at 19:46, Julian Bradfield wrote: > I thought MacOS was a real operating system underneath the glitz? So it is. Do you know how to compile system-level sorting algorithms for such a real operating system? Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-01 Thread Michael Everson
On 1 Jan 2012, at 20:10, Kent Karlsson wrote: > Not sure why this discussion is on the Unicode list instead of the cldr-users > list... Anyhow... I posted to c...@unicode.org and had no response. > While I do find (in CLDR's collation de.xml) a > I don't find any variant doing the Austrian pho

Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-01 Thread Michael Everson
On 1 Jan 2012, at 19:46, Julian Bradfield wrote: > On 2012-01-01, Michael Everson wrote: >> Except that the Mac OS does not offer an Austrian phone-book sort. So I >> shall have to hope that a Volapük CLDR locale can be produced. > > I thought MacOS was a real operating system underneath the g

Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-01 Thread Kent Karlsson
Not sure why this discussion is on the Unicode list instead of the cldr-users list... Anyhow... While I do find (in CLDR's collation de.xml) a I don't find any variant doing the Austrian phonebook variant you mention. Maybe you could file a ticket for adding that to CLDR. (Using that same tailor

Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-01 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2012-01-01, Michael Everson wrote: > Except that the Mac OS does not offer an Austrian phone-book sort. So I shall > have to hope that a Volapük CLDR locale can be produced. I thought MacOS was a real operating system underneath the glitz? So you should be able to define your own locales. If

Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-01 Thread Michael Everson
On 1 Jan 2012, at 17:56, Peter Cyrus wrote: > Sounds like Michael could use the Austrian system. Except that the Mac OS does not offer an Austrian phone-book sort. So I shall have to hope that a Volapük CLDR locale can be produced. Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-01 Thread Peter Cyrus
Sounds like Michael could use the Austrian system. On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Otto Stolz wrote: > Happy New Year, > > on Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 4:27 PM, > Michael Everson wrote: > Volapük sorts [...] ä a > separate letter after a, ö separate after o, >> >> and ü separate after u. >> does anyone

Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük)

2012-01-01 Thread Otto Stolz
Happy New Year, on Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Michael Everson wrote: > Volapük sorts [...] ä a separate letter after a, ö separate after o, and ü separate after u. does anyone know if any other language treats ä/ö/ü in the same way? Am 2012-01-01 16:54, schrieb Peter Cyrus: German does bot