Kent Karlsson wrote [2012-01-02 22:03+0100]:
> Except that MacOS X *applications* (as apart from more POSIXy programs,
> and Terminal.app) should not use the POSIX locales, but should use the
> CLDR locales (via an Apple API or via ICU)... (Yes, I know, CLDR have
> POSIX locales format files coveri
Except that MacOS X *applications* (as apart from more POSIXy programs,
and Terminal.app) should not use the POSIX locales, but should use the
CLDR locales (via an Apple API or via ICU)... (Yes, I know, CLDR have
POSIX locales format files covering **some** of the CLDR data...)
And ISO 8859-15? R
Hi,
> >How? I am not a programmer.
Applications -> Utilities -> Terminal.app
$ man 1 mklocale
$ man 1 colldef
> pay somebody to do it for you
$ cd $TMPDIR
$ mkdir c:\\vodka && cd c\:\\vodka # yes it's still Mac OS X
$ curl
'http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/~checkou
On 2 Jan 2012, at 11:07, Szelp, A. Sz. wrote:
> Indeed, I can confirm that behaviour for "ö" and "ü". However, Hungarian does
> not have "ä" which is part of Volapük. (And if it's
> nevertheless there, e.g. in name-lists containing foreign names, or Hungarian
> names of foreign (German) origin,
On 2012-01-01, Michael Everson wrote:
> So it is. Do you know how to compile system-level sorting algorithms for such
> a real operating system?
No, but if I wanted to I would find out.
If MacOS has left the standard-ish Unixy documentation around,
man 5 locale
should tell you the format of loc
Indeed, I can confirm that behaviour for "ö" and "ü". However,
Hungarian does not have "ä" which is part of Volapük. (And if it's
nevertheless there, e.g. in name-lists containing foreign names, or
Hungarian names of foreign (German) origin, "ä" is sorted as "a").
So Hungarian is neither a perfect
Michael Everson wrote:
> On 1 Jan 2012, at 19:46, Julian Bradfield wrote:
...
> > So you should be able to define your own locales.
>
> How? I am not a programmer.
Well, the first step is to try to find out what is needed, by trying to find an
analogous case.
For example, does your com
On 1 Jan 2012, at 21:13, Erkki I Kolehmainen wrote:
> How much data do you have for Volapük?
More than anyone else, and we need a locale. I did not know there were two
lists.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
ta do you have for Volapük?
Regards, Erkki
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Aihe: Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Vo
On 1 Jan 2012, at 19:46, Julian Bradfield wrote:
> I thought MacOS was a real operating system underneath the glitz?
So it is. Do you know how to compile system-level sorting algorithms for such a
real operating system?
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
On 1 Jan 2012, at 20:10, Kent Karlsson wrote:
> Not sure why this discussion is on the Unicode list instead of the cldr-users
> list... Anyhow...
I posted to c...@unicode.org and had no response.
> While I do find (in CLDR's collation de.xml) a
> I don't find any variant doing the Austrian pho
On 1 Jan 2012, at 19:46, Julian Bradfield wrote:
> On 2012-01-01, Michael Everson wrote:
>> Except that the Mac OS does not offer an Austrian phone-book sort. So I
>> shall have to hope that a Volapük CLDR locale can be produced.
>
> I thought MacOS was a real operating system underneath the g
Not sure why this discussion is on the Unicode list instead of the
cldr-users list... Anyhow...
While I do find (in CLDR's collation de.xml) a
I don't find any variant doing the Austrian phonebook variant you mention.
Maybe you could file a ticket for adding that to CLDR. (Using that
same tailor
On 2012-01-01, Michael Everson wrote:
> Except that the Mac OS does not offer an Austrian phone-book sort. So I shall
> have to hope that a Volapük CLDR locale can be produced.
I thought MacOS was a real operating system underneath the glitz?
So you should be able to define your own locales.
If
Le 01/01/12 16:27, Michael Everson a écrit :
Swedish and Finnish treat ä and ö as separate letters of the alphabet, but sort
them at the end after z.
Volapük sorts a ä b c d e f g h i j k l m n o ö p r s t u ü v w x y z, with ä a
separate letter after a, ö separate after o, and ü separate afte
On 1 Jan 2012, at 17:56, Peter Cyrus wrote:
> Sounds like Michael could use the Austrian system.
Except that the Mac OS does not offer an Austrian phone-book sort. So I shall
have to hope that a Volapük CLDR locale can be produced.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
Sounds like Michael could use the Austrian system.
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Otto Stolz wrote:
> Happy New Year,
>
> on Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 4:27 PM,
> Michael Everson wrote: > Volapük sorts [...] ä a
> separate letter after a, ö separate after o,
>>
>> and ü separate after u.
>> does anyone
Happy New Year,
on Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 4:27 PM,
Michael Everson wrote: > Volapük sorts [...] ä a
separate letter after a, ö separate after o,
and ü separate after u.
does anyone know if any other language treats ä/ö/ü in the same way?
Am 2012-01-01 16:54, schrieb Peter Cyrus:
German does bot
On 1 Jan 2012, at 15:54, Peter Cyrus wrote:
> German does both, so there may be a CLDR locale for the choice you need.
I think German interfiles a/ä, and doesn't treat a and ä as separate letters
though.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
German does both, so there may be a CLDR locale for the choice you need.
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Michael Everson wrote:
> Swedish and Finnish treat ä and ö as separate letters of the alphabet, but
> sort them at the end after z.
>
> Volapük sorts a ä b c d e f g h i j k l m n o ö p r s t
Swedish and Finnish treat ä and ö as separate letters of the alphabet, but sort
them at the end after z.
Volapük sorts a ä b c d e f g h i j k l m n o ö p r s t u ü v w x y z, with ä a
separate letter after a, ö separate after o, and ü separate after u.
There is as yet no CLDR locale for Vola
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