> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 12:09 PM
> To: Unicode Mailing List
> Subject: Re: numeric properties of Nl characters in the UCD
>
> I'd appreciate, just as I'm sure Jill
> would, having
> my intentions interpreted fairly and reasonably.
Arcane Jill wrote:
> PLEASE don't quote me out of context, Doug. You can't quote "This
> being so" without also quoting what the "This" predicate was upon
> which the conclusions were based. As it happens, it was subsequently
> pointed out to me that the "This" predicate was, in fact, NOT so,
> th
ompletely out of context, then I'd feel a lot happier.
Of course I know what "decimal" means in everyday language. Do
you think I'm an idiot? Please stop treating me as one.
Jill
> -Original Message-
> From: Doug Ewell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday
Doug Ewell writes:
> All these terms, and probably more, have been used to describe a base-n
> positional number system:
>
> binary = 2
> ternary = 3
> quaternary = 4
> octal = 8
> decimal = 10
> duodecimal = 12
> hexadecimal = 16
Add also:
quinternary = 5, hexary = 6, septuary = 7, noval
Arcane Jill wrote (in rich text):
> The review on Ethiopic and Tamil non-decimal digits is interesting,
> but I can't help but feel it was a culturally biased decision (read:
> mistake) to EVER have had a "radix ten" property without any similar
> property for any other radix, thereby forcing non-
: "Arcane Jill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wed, 2003 Nov 26 23:57
Subject: RE: numeric properties of Nl characters in the UCD
> ...which brings me back to my question (which no-one's answered yet).
> What do the properties "digit" ve
Arcane Jill wrote:
But there doesn't seem to be any way of specifying operator precedence
in Unicode text (by which I mean the precedence of ZWJ compared with the
precedence of any modifier). I can see a case for "invisible brackets"
here to control such precedence.
Unicode is intended to encode n
Arcane Jill wrote:
> This being so, it is possible that the (misnamed) property "decimal
> digit" should also apply to Ewellic hex digits. They're not radix ten,
> but that's not what "decimal digit" means anyway.
Of course it is. The word "decimal" ultimately derives from the Latin
"decem," me
Arcane Jill writes:
> Gotcha. It's all starting to make sense now. Including the opposition to
hex.
>
> Maybe one could make "circled 92" in two stages:
> (1) create a glyph representing 92, then (2)
> apply an enclosing circle modifier to it.
>
> Except of course, that wouldn't work!
> Because
---Original Message-
From: Philippe Verdy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 10:24 AM
To: Arcane Jill
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: numeric properties of Nl characters in the UCD
26 Update properties for Ethiopic and Tamil non-decimal digits
Arcane Jill writes:
> ...which brings me back to my question (which no-one's answered yet).
> What do the properties "digit" versus "decimal digit" actually MEAN? Is
> it possible for someone to give a PRECISE definition. I mean, it seems
> pretty clear that "decimal digit" does NOT mean "radix
a formal and precise,
unambiguous definition of the meanings of the "decimal digit", "digit"
and "numeric" properties. If no such definition exsits, then I suggest
that one is needed.
Jill
> -----Original Message-
> From: Doug Ewell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTEC
D. Starner write:
> And let's be honest - every word written in Gothic, ever, fits on 68
> pages of paper (small font, and both sides, but still.) (This isn't
> counting the grocery lists of Tolkein and Ewell, of course. But they
> are the exception.)
Anyone who really, badly wants to parse the
At 08:40 -0800 2003-11-26, Andrew C. West wrote:
No-one's disputing the origins of U+10341 and U+1034A. All I'm
saying is that these two letters are neither needed nor actually
used for writing Gothic words, but were devised (i.e. borrowed from
Greek) with the sole purpose of representing the n
On 26/11/2003 07:27, D. Starner wrote:
...
And let's be honest - every word written in Gothic, ever, fits on 68 pages of paper
(small font, and both sides, but still.) ...
Strictly, you mean all that survives and has been disovered in Gothic.
It is known that much more was written e.g. most of
chael Everson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wed, 2003 Nov 26 06:40
Subject: RE: numeric properties of Nl characters in the UCD
> Michael Everson writes:
> > >But why do U+10341 [GOTHIC LETTER NINETY] and U+1034A [GOTHIC
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:04:33 -0800, Peter Kirk wrote:
>
> On 26/11/2003 04:40, Andrew C. West wrote:
> >Is this perhaps because all the other Gothic letters
> >can also be used to represent numbers in exactly the same way that U+10341 and
> >U+1034A are used (these two letter were devised specific
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf
> Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Can anyone let me know how I can create OTF fonts for Windows CE and
have a
> keyboard driver for input characters like Bangla.
For information on developing OpenType fonts, see
htt
On 26/11/2003 04:40, Andrew C. West wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:16:15 -0800, "Doug Ewell" wrote:
Well, one reason could be that there is no such character. (Did you
mean U+1034A GOTHIC LETTER NINE HUNDRED?)
But why do U+10341 [GOTHIC LETTER NINETY] and U+1034A [GOTHIC LETTER NINE
HUNDRE
à â
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From:
Arcane
Jill
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 2003 Nov 26 02:12
Subject: RE: numeric properties of Nl
characters in the UCD
That is almost precisely what I said. You repeated it
perfectly. Thanks.But actually, there is
ne could clarify what these three categories are actually SUPPOSED
to mean. Once that's cleared up, it would then become pretty
obvious which characters were supposed be numerically classified in
what way.
Jill
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From: Philippe Verdy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECT
> The cost of such exceptions is that an application cannot reliably use the
> general categories to detect, evaluate or create numbers in a relevant
> script. So this requires a separate table for each supported script.
It's not a generally solvable problem. What's "C"? In the Latin script, that
At 15:40 +0100 2003-11-26, Philippe Verdy wrote:
The cost of such exceptions is that an application cannot reliably use the
general categories to detect, evaluate or create numbers in a relevant
script. So this requires a separate table for each supported script.
Um. It's not as if anyone does com
Michael Everson writes:
> >But why do U+10341 [GOTHIC LETTER NINETY] and U+1034A [GOTHIC LETTER NINE
> >HUNDRED], which are letters that are only ever used to represent the
> >numbers 90 and 900 respectively (they have no intrinsic phonetic
> >value), not have a numeric value assigned to them?
>
Can anyone let me know how I can create OTF fonts for Windows CE and have a
keyboard driver for input characters like Bangla.
Thanks and regards
Mustafa Jabbar
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At 04:40 -0800 2003-11-26, Andrew C. West wrote:
But why do U+10341 [GOTHIC LETTER NINETY] and U+1034A [GOTHIC LETTER NINE
HUNDRED], which are letters that are only ever used to represent the
numbers 90 and 900 respectively (they have no intrinsic phonetic
value), not have a numeric value assign
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:16:15 -0800, "Doug Ewell" wrote:
>
> Well, one reason could be that there is no such character. (Did you
> mean U+1034A GOTHIC LETTER NINE HUNDRED?)
>
But why do U+10341 [GOTHIC LETTER NINETY] and U+1034A [GOTHIC LETTER NINE
HUNDRED], which are letters that are only ever
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Arcane Jill writes:
> But actually, there is one small difference between what
> I said and what you said. I merely observed that no characters
> have different non-null values for the various number-related
> properties. But you state (emphasis on *cannot*) that this i
of stored data.
Jill
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Constable [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:04 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: numeric properties of Nl characters in the UCD
>
>
> Not all characters representing num
Doug Ewell scripsit:
> All the Roman numerals I can find in the standard, except U+2183 ROMAN
> NUMERAL REVERSED ONE HUNDRED, have a value in the "numeric value" field.
> (Perhaps the actual numeric value of U+2183 is not known.)
It has no definite numeric value. The notation CI), where ) mean
ï
"Doug Ewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ãcrivait en ce
25/XI/2003
> All the Roman numerals I can find in the
standard, except U+2183 ROMAN> NUMERAL REVERSED ONE HUNDRED, have a value
in the "numeric value" field.> (Perhaps the actual numeric value of
U+2183 is not known.)
I think it is ra
Philippe Verdy wrote:
> There's still my unanswered question about the third numeric field not
> filled for some numeric characters (notably Nl characters, i.e. number
> letters).
>
> I accepted the fact of being unable to define it for the "numerator
> one less than the denominator", but the Lat
nator"
character, which could have its own "No" category for "Numeric, other".)
Philippe.
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Envoyà : mardi 25 novembre 2003 20:10
à : Arcane Jill; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Objet
al digit, whatever), but then maybe you could figure that out
from the general category anyway.Jill> -Original
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Sunday, November 23, 2003 2:58 AM> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject:
numeric properties of
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Arcane Jill
> Actually, I don't understand why UnicodeData.txt has no less than
three different
> fields for numerical value anyway...
Not all characters representing numbers are digits. Not all characters
representing digits are dec
> Actually, I don't understand why UnicodeData.txt has no less than
> /three/ different fields for numerical value anyway. I mean, it's not as
> though there exists EVEN A SINGLE CODEPOINT for which two or more of
> these fields exist and are defined differently from each other. One
> never see
igure that out
from the general category anyway.
Jill
> -Original Message-
> From: Philippe Verdy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 2:58 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: numeric properties of Nl characters in the UCD
>
>
> I do under
I do understand why number letter characters with "Nl" general category
don't have a "decimal value" property or a "integer value" property, but why
they don't all have a "numeric value" property in the UCD. Notably these two
ones:
2183;ROMAN NUMERAL REVERSED ONE HUNDRED;Nl;0;L;...
1034A;GOTHIC LE
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