Re: [UC] Re: Do we hear one another? - Public Real Estate Development

So Frank, the public critic of a private real-estate development, TLTower is a "public" real estate development pursuant to: 1) Now being known as Application #127968 before the City of Philadelphia Department of Licenses & Inspections, and such application being refused on 01/30/2008 2) Rich

Re: [UC] Re: Do we hear one another?

Thanks, Kimm. Honestly, I don't understand this. Frank On Feb 15, 2008, at 12:49 AM, Kimm Tynan wrote: Frank, you have absolutely no obligation to bare your soul to Tony or the list in order to legitimately express your opinion on this or any other subject, and my inclination and observtion

Re: [UC] Re: Do we hear one another?

Every resident should have an equal voice at community meetings. Period. There's no requirement to own land in order to vote or to be a citizen or to comment on public events in this country. (I'm guessing that the question of land ownership is your point here, Tony, but you're too "crafty"

Re: [UC] Community rejects hotel - Western Union Building

I was mistaken. He loves the Western Union Building. He said it's better than the vagrants who used to be there. Me, I miss the Savoy Restaurant there which will soon be a Walgreens. Ick. Frank On Feb 15, 2008, at 12:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The guy from the Delaware Valley Smart

Re: [UC] Re: Do we hear one another? - Economic Exclusion

Are you a dues-paying member of SHCA? I am, so I have standing when I speak about SHCA actions.? This type of economic exclusion is banned by HUD in its nationally recognized and implemented Neighborhood Advisory Council (NAC)?programs, as it seeks to expand and broaden self-directed citizen p

Re: [UC] Re: Do we hear one another?

Frank, you have absolutely no obligation to bare your soul to Tony or the list in order to legitimately express your opinion on this or any other subject, and my inclination and observtion is that you should simply ignore and not respond to Tony¹s taunts. Kimm On 2/15/08 12:32 AM, "Frank" <[EMA

Re: [UC] Re: Do we hear one another?

Tony, You are so out of line. No, as a private citizen who chooses to exercise his right of self-expression on a matter of public interest, Frank is not obligated to bare his personal, private information in order to gain passage to some right to express his opinion. His right to express his opi

Re: [UC] Community rejects hotel - Western Union Building

The guy from the Delaware Valley Smart Growth Alliance saying, "We love this project!" and then telling us he hated the 10-story Western Union Building that was built across from HIS expensive 3-story trinity at Quince and Locust.? I think with the bad acoustics, lost was the point that he now

Re: [UC] Re: Do we hear one another?

As I said before and I'll say again, I will not respond to demands for information. The archives of this list, if they are currently available, probably have all of the information you're asking for. I have no obligation to tell you or any other private person anything about myself when ask

Re: [UC] Re: Do we hear one another?

So Frank, the public critic of a private real-estate development, is publicly secret about himself. The rest of the world is obliged to expose its inner workings to Frank on demand, but Frank owes nothing to the rest of us in return. We can't even know where he lives! Yet he claims the authorit

Re: [UC] Re: Do we hear one another?

On Feb 14, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Anthony West wrote: What you just wrote is untrue, Frank. I addressed the challenge of sitting on a committee and arriving at a committee's decisions. I have sat on many committees; how many have you sat on? I have been on the Provincetown Cable Commission an

Re: [UC] Community rejects hotel

50 People? I counted many, many more. Astounding given the icy rain, chill and dark on a work/school night? Unanimous? No, I counted 2 neighbors who offered dissent. Both identified themselves as in thrall to PENN. Both already own Real Estate on good UC blocks, one a great single with a g

Re: [UC] Re: Do we hear one another?

What you just wrote is untrue, Frank. I addressed the challenge of sitting on a committee and arriving at a committee's decisions. I have sat on many committees; how many have you sat on? Anyone who reads the dialog you copied below will see I did not "equate" meeting attendees with liars, b

Re: [UC] Re: Do we hear one another?

Anthony West wrote: Ray, Are you... Your criticisms... you have relentlessly refused... your background... what you are good at... your opinion... your personal experience... you have done better, when you were personally... you have sat on?... expert you are... you represent yourself...

Re: [UC] Re: Do we hear one another?

Face it, Ray. People on committees are all experts who always tell the truth and those who aren't on committees are lying ignoramuses. It's simple. Frank On Feb 14, 2008, at 09:22 PM, Anthony West wrote: Ray, Are you a dues-paying member of SHCA? I am, so I have standing when I speak a

Re: [UC] Re: Do we hear one another?

Yes, we disagree. You are equating people who chose to attend the meeting with shameless liars/ignorami and those on the committee with people who struggle to tell the truth in public/experts? That's preposterous. People who learn zoning law don't necessarily speak truthfully. Where did you

[UC] Re: Do we hear one another?

Ray, Are you a dues-paying member of SHCA? I am, so I have standing when I speak about SHCA actions. Your criticisms of SHCA procedures show no awareness of practical Association issues at any level. The subject of how to run a civic group in the city of Philadelphia is one you have relentle

Re: [UC] Re: Do we hear one another?

Frank, As a simple member of both SHCA and FoCP (but an officer of neither), I can tell you that any member of either body who wants to serve on a committee like the Zoning Committee now in the spotlight, has only to request it. It's much easier than getting a US passport or voting in the Apr

Re: Do we hear one another? [was: Re: [UC] From the DP: Area 'unanimously' opposes hotel]

Anthony West wrote: Thanks, Ray. Sounds like Barry did what he should have done and neighbors who were concerned about the project did what they should have done. actually, barry didn't do what he should have done. his original announcement of this meeting placed the location at the shca's

Re: [UC] Re: Do we hear one another?

The fact is that not everyone who has an opinion on or is affected by any given project can be accommodated with a place on a board or committee. Meetings like the one last night are one of the very few places where some members of the community can actually be heard. We took advantage of i

[UC] Re: Do we hear one another?

Wilma, I agree with you this issue should get more attention. There is nothing wrong with that. There is something wrong with people who are quick to *write about *public process in University City but slow to l*earn about *public process in University City. If you want to play a role in de

Re: Do we hear one another? [was: Re: [UC] From the DP: Area 'unanimously' opposes hotel]

Someone does have to make a judgement call as to who or what the "community" is. Even with that done, public "input" should not be confused with public "decision-making". Development of privately-owned land is regulated by the City but it is not an electoral process; the job of ZBA is not to reflec

Re: [UC] From the DP: Area 'unanimously' opposes hotel

I am just astounded that even 50 people attended a SHCA Zoning Committee Meeting. If more attended that was even more surprising. A zoning committee report is a usual part of the SHCA Board Meetings and taken for granted. If there was community consensus against the proposed hotel project, the d

Re: Do we hear one another? [was: Re: [UC] From the DP: Area 'unanimously' opposes hotel]

I thought the article pretty clearly showed that the "unanimous" was a quotation from Chris O'Donnell. Frank On Feb 14, 2008, at 03:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to start any drawn out, unpleasant thread here, but in the interest of complete reporting, I'd like to point out a

Re: Do we hear one another? [was: Re: [UC] From the DP: Area 'unanimously' opposes hotel]

I eagerly await his email or phone call. I will not hold my breath. Frank On Feb 14, 2008, at 04:59 PM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we had been asked for questions, not our opinions. barry's original announcement for this meeting stated: "Neighbors will have a fu

Re: [UC] Community rejects hotel

I videotaped most of it. I had to leave just before 10 pm, though. My favorite parts: The guy from the Delaware Valley Smart Growth Alliance saying, "We love this project!" and then telling us he hated the 10-story Western Union Building that was built across from HIS expensive 3-story tri

Re: Do we hear one another? [was: Re: [UC] From the DP: Area 'unanimously' opposes hotel]

Thanks, Ray. Sounds like Barry did what he should have done and neighbors who were concerned about the project did what they should have done. I'm sorry I missed the meeting -- I had a Home School Ass'n meeting conflict and family comes first. I'm no whiz on zoning. What I have learned over

Re: Do we hear one another? [was: Re: [UC] From the DP: Area 'unanimously' opposes hotel]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we had been asked for questions, not our opinions. barry's original announcement for this meeting stated: "Neighbors will have a full opportunity to ask questions and offer comments about the project, and the committee will take all comments into considera

Re: [UC] From the DP: Area 'unanimously' opposes hotel

In a message dated 2/14/2008 1:31:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: _http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/paper882/news/2008/02/1 4/News/Area-unanimously.Opposes.Hotel-3209379.shtml?reffeature=htmlemaileditio n_ (http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/

[UC] Re: Do we hear one another?  [was : Re: [UC] From the DP: Area 'unanimously' opposes hotel]

In a message dated 2/14/08 3:51:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Ms. Lamond - > Were you the 'one person*' that supported the project and got jeered? > If so, don't take it too personally. > -andy > You didn't "hear" me, Andy: In a message dated 2/14/08 3:38:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...

Re: Do we hear one another? [was: Re: [UC] From the DP: Area 'unanimously' opposes hotel]

Ms. Lamond - Were you the 'one person*' that supported the project and got jeered? If so, don't take it too personally. -andy * from the DP: "During the three-hour meeting, the only area resident who voiced support for the hotel was greeted with jeers from the crowd of about 50 people."

Do we hear one another? [was: Re: [UC] From the DP: Area 'unanimously' opposes hotel]

I don't want to start any drawn out, unpleasant thread here, but in the interest of complete reporting, I'd like to point out a couple of things about last night's meeting. First, the subject line of this thread is interesting: when I saw it, I wondered who put quotation marks around the wo

Re: [UC] From the DP: Area 'unanimously' opposes hotel

Frank wrote: http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/paper882/news/2008/02/14/News/Area-unanimously.Opposes.Hotel-3209379.shtml?reffeature=htmlemailedition oops, I just posted the same thing -- it always takes a while for recent posts to reach my inbox. but since I'm here, I

[UC] opposition to hotel reported by dp

today's dp carries an article about last night's meeting: http://tinyurl.com/2yrpv5 AREA 'UNANIMOUSLY' OPPOSES HOTEL At three-hour zoning meeting, neighbors largely hostile to proposed hotel at 40th and Pine streets By: Katie Karas Area residents are still up in arms about a pr

[UC] From the DP: Area 'unanimously' opposes hotel

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Re: [UC] Community rejects hotel

Yes, I saw several people recording. One person filming. There was a very large crowd considering the bad weather. Seating filled most of the hall. The Daily Pennsylvanian announced the meeting and I am hopeful they covered the proceedings. The local paper, the UC Review was present. I d

Re: [UC] Community rejects hotel

Were the proceedings recorded? If not, everything can be denied. Just sayin'. John [For those of you thinking, "why does he keep asking?" I like to highlight the time that the UCCC held a meeting against the billboard proposal several years ago, an unofficial vote was held resulting in one