Re: Offlist bullying [was:� Re: [UC] Is there a problem w/Listserv Server?]

2007-10-12 Thread Glenn
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wilma, your response surprises me. I thought you were a feminist! I thought you were someone who cared about people being personally attacked for their beliefs! And I thought you wanted to know why participants dropped off this list! The following

Re: Offlist bullying [was: Re: [UC] Is there a problem w/Listserv Server?]

2007-10-12 Thread Wilma de Soto
A politician is a public figure, not an ordinary everyday schlep like me. Of course something off-hand or off-color would be of interest to the constituents who elected him/her. While I would like to consider myself a renowned public figure with all fame etc. appertaining, alas I am not.

Re: Offlist bullying [was: Re: [UC] Is there a problem w/Listserv Server?]

2007-10-12 Thread Elliot M. Stern
We may agree to disagree on this one. On 12 Oct 2007, at 7:19 AM, Wilma de Soto wrote: A politician is a public figure, not an ordinary everyday schlep like me. Of course something off-hand or off-color would be of interest to the constituents who elected him/her. While I would like to

Re: Offlist bullying [was: Re: [UC] Is there a problem w/Listserv Server?]

2007-10-11 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Frank wrote: All I know is that we have a nice quiet listserv with polite discussions despite our differences until the people from the other list come back and make trouble. Isn't that ironic? what's ironic is that this whole thing began on tuesday when melani posted an offlist email of

Re: Offlist bullying [was: Re: [UC] Is there a problem w/Listserv Server?]

2007-10-11 Thread Elliot M. Stern
If I were Melani, I would not hesitate to out demeaning offlist responses! Elliot On 10 Oct 2007, at 12:50 PM, Frank wrote: Everyone agrees with me...in private. That is the second oldest online trick in the book. The first is You only hate me because I turned you down. Frankus Sleek.

Re: Offlist bullying [was: Re: [UC] Is there a problem w/Listserv Server?]

2007-10-11 Thread Elliot M. Stern
Isn't the forwarded email in question disrespectful? Isn't the offlist email itself meanspirited and full of spite? Get real, Wilma! Just what would you do if somebody sent you racial slur messages off line in response to your postings? Elliot On 10 Oct 2007, at 4:16 PM, Wilma de Soto

Re: Offlist bullying [was: Re: [UC] Is there a problem w/Listserv Server?]

2007-10-11 Thread Wilma de Soto
I¹ll tell you what I would do. I would address the issue and deal with it offline as I have have done MANY times before. I would NOT and HAVE not forwarded any private discussions that attacked me to a public forum. I have NEVER done that! You do not know the HALF of racial slurs I have dealt

Re: Offlist bullying [was: Re: [UC] Is there a problem w/Listserv Server?]

2007-10-11 Thread Elliot M. Stern
Wilma, I respect both your approach, and Melani's. I don't think that sexist, racist, etc. offlist replies intrinsically deserve the cover of privacy, when they are sent as replies to onlist discussions. They're as public as the private off color remarks of a politician caught by some

Offlist bullying [was: Re: [UC] Is there a problem w/Listserv Server?]

2007-10-10 Thread MLamond
In a message dated 10/10/07 1:09:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the problem is that some people are posting private emails to the list. this is wrong, especially when it's done without the author's permission, and it's another example (along with ad hominem) of people's difficulty grasping

Re: Offlist bullying [was: Re: [UC] Is there a problem w/Listserv Server?]

2007-10-10 Thread Frank
Everyone agrees with me...in private. That is the second oldest online trick in the book. The first is You only hate me because I turned you down. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. On Oct 10, 2007, at 10:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several folks wrote to me yesterday and

Re: Offlist bullying [was: Re: [UC] Is there a problem w/Listserv Server?]

2007-10-10 Thread Wilma de Soto
Isn¹t forwarding private email (no matter how the conservation went in private) to a public forum without the consent of both parties disrespectful? Not only is it disrespectful, it is mean-spirited and full of spite in as much as it was done with the design to hurt or belittle the non-consenting

Re: Offlist bullying [was:  Re: [UC] Is there a problem w/Listserv Server?]

2007-10-10 Thread MLamond
Wilma, your response surprises me. I thought you were a feminist! I thought you were someone who cared about people being personally attacked for their beliefs! And I thought you wanted to know why participants dropped off this list! Are you saying that you think it's appropriate for a

Re: Offlist bullying [was:  Re: [UC] Is there a problem w/Listserv Server?]

2007-10-10 Thread Wilma de Soto
Melani, The issue was whether posting private emails publicly regardless, of to whom you may have been discussing with privately. as an example of bullying and the reason people formed the UCNeighbors Listserv. Do you or do you NOT recognize your behavior as the ³bullying² you despise. Is

Re: Offlist bullying [was:  Re: [UC] Is there a problem w/Listserv Server?]

2007-10-10 Thread Frank
All I know is that we have a nice quiet listserv with polite discussions despite our differences until the people from the other list come back and make trouble. Isn't that ironic? Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. On Oct 10, 2007, at 08:11 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote: Melani, The