Re: [UC] Bike regulations: a pedestrian speaks

2004-11-27 Thread fluffy
i understand that not wearing a helmet is in a way stupid. i like to think it also made me more cautious, because i felt no imagined sense of safety (or so i rationalize). but i don't bike much anymore so it's kinda moot.   about ann's incident, yes, it sounds like the biker was wrong and w

Re: [UC] Bike regulations: a pedestrian speaks

2004-11-27 Thread Pete Coyle
Fluffy is obviously a furry. A lurking furry. When I was in High School I used to bike tons. One time I was ripping down West Valley Road, which is pretty much a curved verticle drop, and I crashed at about 25 mph. I didn't have a helmet on, and broke my colarbone grievously. I hope you hav

Re: [UC] Bike regulations: a pedestrian speaks

2004-11-27 Thread fluffy
ooh, people are talking about bikes, yay!   in response to this:   >2. Why are you in such a damned hurry? Cars aren't allowed to pass on the passenger side of a bus when it is taking on or >discharging passengers. Why do bikes do this? My daughter was seriously injured this way.   i'd like

Re: [UC] Bike regulations: a pedestrian speaks

2004-11-25 Thread BAShowell
Do any of the bikers on the sidewalk know it is against the law,(in Philadelphia) if you are over the age of 12? Many times when I ask the bikers on the sidewalk at the Farmer's Market to "Please walk your bike", I am totally ignored, or they look at me like there's something wrong with me. Als

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-24 Thread William H. Magill
On 24 Nov, 2004, at 15:56, Ben Dugan wrote: They are privately employed but they do have full law enforcement powers. They can issue citations and make arrests. They are also able to carry firearms on Penn's campus. That does not seem right to me-- it makes them beholden as employees to the go

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-24 Thread William H. Magill
On 24 Nov, 2004, at 11:50, Matthew Snyder wrote: Ben Dugan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How is it exactly that the Penn Police are able to give tickets just like Philadelphia Police do? Are they privately employed? They are privately employed but they do have full law enforcement powers. They can

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-24 Thread Ben Dugan
They are privately employed but they do have full law enforcement powers. They can issue citations and make arrests. They are also able to carry firearms on Penn's campus. That does not seem right to me-- it makes them beholden as employees to the goals of their employer, but empowered in th

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-24 Thread Matthew Snyder
Ben Dugan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How is it exactly that the Penn Police are able to give tickets just > like Philadelphia Police do? Are they privately employed? They are privately employed but they do have full law enforcement powers. They can issue citations and make arrests. They are

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-24 Thread Ben Dugan
I inadvertently sent this to Stephen Fisher, had meant to send it to the list: How is it exactly that the Penn Police are able to give tickets just like Philadelphia Police do? Are they privately employed? And, similarly, does it seem odd to anyone else that there's always a Penn policeman stand

Re: [Fwd: Re: [UC] Bike regulations]

2004-11-24 Thread Charles H. Buchholtz
From: Stephen Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:34:10 -0500 I'm not sure about Penn but I know at another university that the campus police were trained by the state, just like the city police, at the same police acadamy.   However, instead of working for the

[Fwd: Re: [UC] Bike regulations]

2004-11-24 Thread Stephen Fisher
riginal Message Subject: Re: [UC] Bike regulations Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:30:35 -0500 From: Ben Dugan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Stephen Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reference

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-24 Thread Stephen Fisher
i think it's not an adrenalin rush when "trying to bike city streets" but rather an adrenalin rush when a car hits you while biking. others have suggested various things that a biker should have done when hit, i think in reality when someone is hit, biker, pedestrian, motorist, they often are

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-24 Thread Pete Coyle
I like bikes more than cars, but people who ride bikes on the sidewalk are jerks. If your too afraid to ride in the street, sell your bike. Here's another little story where I'm a total spaz that makes a fool of himself. I was riding on Market st., stopped at a redlight with a cab next to me.

Re: [UC] Bike regulations: a pedestrian speaks

2004-11-23 Thread Margie Politzer
Title: Re: [UC] Bike regulations: a pedestrian speaks I had an amusing encounter with two Philly bicycle policemen. They entered an intersection (Pine and 41st I believe), chatting away, without even looking for oncoming traffic (me on my bike in this case). I yelled something civil  (probably

RE: [UC] Bike regulations: a pedestrian speaks

2004-11-23 Thread daveaxler
on, J. Scott >Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:49 PM >To: 'Marianne Das'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [UC] Bike regulations: a pedestrian speaks > > >-Original Message- >From: Marianne Das [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, N

RE: [UC] Bike regulations: a pedestrian speaks

2004-11-23 Thread Turner,Kathleen
e-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clinton, J. ScottSent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:49 PMTo: 'Marianne Das'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [UC] Bike regulations: a pedestrian speaks -Original Message-From: Marianne Das [mai

RE: [UC] Bike regulations: a pedestrian speaks

2004-11-23 Thread Clinton, J. Scott
Title: Message -Original Message-From: Marianne Das [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 4:22 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: SPAM SPAM -- [UC] Bike regulations: a pedestrian speaks I've ploughed through 14 e-mails on the listserv that are either pro-bike or

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-23 Thread Andrew Diller
No, I used your address when I ordered it. -andy On Nov 23, 2004, at 10:52 AM, Ben Rhoades wrote: At 10:43 AM 11/23/2004, Clinton, J. Scott wrote: friends watch friends, and report wrongdoing!   (smile, your government loves you) Are you one of those that are worried they're tracking your easypa

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-23 Thread Elizabeth F. Campion
There are Cab Regulations also. Cabs are required to pull over to the curb and passengers are required to exit on the curb side, even if they have to slide across a long back seat. Pulling across two lanes (possibly 3 if a bike lane was involved) and discharging a passenger in a vulnerable space

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-23 Thread Ben Rhoades
At 10:52 AM 11/23/2004, Katherine Schultz wrote: Think about what you just asked him. "did you not see him park?" You're suggesting that a biker is responsible for looking at parked cars and predicting when the passengers will open their doors in addition to paying attention to all the moving tr

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-23 Thread Dan Myers
PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [UC] Bike regulations At 10:52 AM 11/23/2004, Katherine Schultz wrote: Think about what you just asked him. "did you not see him park?" You're suggesting that a biker is responsible for

RE: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-23 Thread Ben Rhoades
At 11:05 AM 11/23/2004, Dubin, Elisabeth wrote: That sounds more like the cabbie's fault (because he should know better than to give people the opportunity to jump out into the bike lane).  At least theoretically, right? It depends and is hard to tell from the info given.  If the student just got

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-23 Thread Clinton, J. Scott
Title: Message no, not really.  I don't have an ezpass, but not because I'm afraid of being tracked; I simply don't use toll roads or bridges much at all.  If someone's trying to track me, they'd be better off tracking my buspass.  Of course, if SEPTA shuts down during non-commuting hours as

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-23 Thread Ben Rhoades
At 10:43 AM 11/23/2004, Clinton, J. Scott wrote: friends watch friends, and report wrongdoing!   (smile, your government loves you) Are you one of those that are worried they're tracking your easypass??? -Ben You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "UnivCity."

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-23 Thread Clinton, J. Scott
Title: Message friends watch friends, and report wrongdoing!   (smile, your government loves you) -Original Message-From: Ben Rhoades [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:23 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: SPAM SPAM -- Re: [UC] Bike regulationsAt 1

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-23 Thread BGAndersen
I tried that recently when my family was almost run down by a pack of bicyclists in front of the Penn Gym on Walnut. The Penn Dispatcher almost laughed me off the phone. In a message dated 11/23/2004 10:23:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ben Rhoades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >And concerned pede

RE: [UC] Bike regulations & getting hit by cars

2004-11-23 Thread Kyle Cassidy
Title: RE: [UC] Bike regulations & getting hit by cars since i've been in philly, i've been hit by cars three time while riding my bike. the first time i got "rear view mirrored" in the back by a pickup truck while riding in the bike lane on walnut street (actually

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-23 Thread Ben Rhoades
At 10:15 AM 11/23/2004, Stephen Fisher wrote: The really obnoxious thing about this is that a bicyclist is fined $50 to $115 for biking on the sidewalk and a motorist is only fined $35 for parking in the bike lane. For your information, the Penn Police phone number is 215-573-.  I recommend

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-23 Thread Ben Rhoades
At 10:14 AM 11/23/2004, Paul Grossman wrote: Unfortunately it was a cab driver who never pulled over to the curb.  The passenger got out on the curb side into the bikelane and I had no time to react.  The cab driver pulled away before I could take anything down.  I was caught off guard. You shou

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-23 Thread Stephen Fisher
The really obnoxious thing about this is that a bicyclist is fined $50 to $115 for biking on the sidewalk and a motorist is only fined $35 for parking in the bike lane. For your information, the Penn Police phone number is 215-573-.  I recommend people call this number whenever you see a c

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-23 Thread Charles H. Buchholtz
From: "Paul Grossman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:48:17 -0500 I was doored 3 months ago and my wrist is still not back to = normal after falling and tearing a ligament. I still think there needs = to be better enforcement of the bikelanes. I hope you reported

Re: [UC] Bike regulations

2004-11-23 Thread Ben Rhoades
At 09:48 AM 11/23/2004, Paul Grossman wrote: This is from today's Almanac... As a bicyclist I agree with not riding in heavy pedestrian areas but it says at the bottom of the article that police are enforcing bikelane areas.  I don't ever see this happen.  Just look outside the Wawa at 38th and S