RE: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread Jonathan Cass
Title: No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio Hmm -- I don't mean to be harsh Naomi, but that sounds like a big fat justification to me:  "Hey, we treat our staff better than most other restaurants so it is okay that we subject them to a known carcinogen."   The White Dog permitting smoking

Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread Brian Siano
Jonathan Cass wrote: Hmm -- I don't mean to be harsh Naomi, but that sounds like a big fat justification to me: "Hey, we treat our staff better than most other restaurants so it is okay that we subject them to a known carcinogen." The White Dog permitting smoking is akin to a pharmacy selling

RE: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread Jonathan Cass
Yes -- the point being that they are both wrong. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Siano Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 11:52 AM Cc: 'UnivCity@list.purple.com' Subject: Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog &

Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread Naomi
Title: Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio I think you missed the part where I explained that our bar and wait staff helped us make the decision to have limited smoking hours. They felt it was too great a financial risk (for them and for the business) to completely ban smoking b

Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread Mark Krull
"Man, ever since the SATs dropped their "analogies" section, discourse has gone to hell." Bummer man.. -Original Message- From: Brian Siano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mar 18, 2005 11:51 AM To: Cc: "'UnivCity@list.purple.com'" Subject: R

Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread Gail Defendorf
I have a problem with the logic that the White Dog has to permit smoking because the other establishments nearby allow smoking. And I have a problem with the assumption (not proven) that if the White Dog went completely non-smoking, that they'd lose customers. As a life-long non-smoker, I can

Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread Brian Siano
Jonathan Cass wrote: Yes -- the point being that they are both wrong. Wrong in what sense? Are you saying that pharmacies should not sell harmful substances? Fine-- but that'd include a lot of drug treatments, including naproxen sodium, which can play hell with your liver. Are you saying they

RE: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread Dubin, Elisabeth
Title: Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio The logic the White Dog used to form their smoking policy seems reasonable to me.   I wonder if any restaurants have considered smoking night vs. non-smoking nights.  Like, for example, Friday could be non-smoking and Saturday could

Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread Brian Siano
Gail Defendorf wrote: And the crap about treating your workers better, even though they have to work around second-hand smoke is simply that: crap. If the White Dog was the Progressive Restaurant it thinks it is, it should have banned smoking years ago. Considering that the decision was made a

Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread Mark Krull
t;'UnivCity@list.purple.com'" Subject: Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio Gail Defendorf wrote: > And the crap about treating your workers better, even though they have > to work around second-hand smoke is simply that: crap. If the White > Dog was the Progressiv

Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread Mark Krull
I hope New Jersey passes their law.. It would be nice to enjoy a cold beer without smelling like an ash try -Mark -Original Message- From: Gail Defendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mar 18, 2005 12:20 PM To: "'UnivCity@list.purple.com'" Subject: Re: [UC]

Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread Daniel Flaumenhaft
On Mar 18, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Dubin, Elisabeth wrote: I wonder if any restaurants have considered smoking night vs. non-smoking nights.  Like, for example, Friday could be non-smoking and Saturday could be smoking at night.  This is something I just made up, and I think it's brilliant.  (Of cour

RE: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread S. Sharrieff Ali
Title: Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio I didn’t want to reply but I think this example is relevant.   I not sure how many of you are familiar with LaColombe coffee house on 19th and Walnut Street, but it was THE 2nd Smokiest place on the planet..in my opinion. I w

RE: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread Mark Krull
Title: Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio ...don't underestimate your customers??-Original Message- From: "S. Sharrieff Ali" Sent: Mar 18, 2005 1:07 PM To: 'Naomi' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 'Jonathan Cass' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&g

Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread Naomi
Title: Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio Some people will argue that, because we serve meat that we are contributing to obesity and heart disease rates and, therefore do not care about the health of our customers. A vegetarian lifestyle, like a non-smoking lifestyle, is in

RE: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread S. Sharrieff Ali
Title: Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio Yeah..pretty much.   S.   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Krull Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:37 PM To: S. Sharrieff Ali; 'Naomi'; 'Jonathan Ca

RE: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread Jonathan Cass
Title: Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio Naomi-   Part of the analysis that appears to have gone into the WD's decision to permit smoking at the bar after 10:00 p.m. was the assumption that business would suffer -- you would lose all those "big tipping smokers&

RE: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread weslab
t about the 10 cent drink tax and they were wrong about that as well). Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Naomi Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 2:03 PM To: Gail Defendorf; UnivCity@list.purple.com; Dubin, Elisabeth; Brian Siano

RE: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread Jonathan Cass
Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 4:28 PM To: Jonathan Cass Cc: 'Naomi'; 'Gail Defendorf'; 'UnivCity@list.purple.com'; 'Dubin, Elisabeth'; 'Brian Siano' Subject: RE: [UC] No

RE: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio

2005-03-18 Thread Mark Krull
'Naomi' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 'Gail Defendorf' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'UnivCity@list.purple.com'" , "'Dubin, Elisabeth'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 'Brian Siano' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: R