Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-08-03 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Frank wrote: and this: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/nyregion/thecity/22manh.html?ex=1342756800en=8b256b2e1d8e1c13ei=5090partner=rssuserlandemc=rss thanks. articles like that are good, but maybe a little frustrating -- seems they get more to the heartstrings than to the heart of the

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-08-02 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Ross Bender wrote: I was just reading an article in the New York Review of Books titled The Women and the Gods, a review of Portrait of a Priestess: Women and Ritual in Ancient Greece when an ad for books on Urban Studies from Penn Press caught my eye. First item on the list was a book by our

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-08-02 Thread Frank
and this: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/nyregion/thecity/22manh.html? ex=1342756800en=8b256b2e1d8e1c13ei=5090partner=rssuserlandemc=rss Frank On Aug 2, 2007, at 05:17 PM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: Ross Bender wrote: I was just reading an article in the New York Review of Books titled

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-08-02 Thread Anthony West
/The Mennonites: Photographs by Larry Towell/ just opened at Arthur Ross Gallery on Penn campus, at 220 S. 34^th St. This black-and-white collection represents 10 years of work with a specific community that spans two nations. It combines an artistic effort with skill at ethnography

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-12 Thread Glenn
What really bugs me about her razzamatazz is the fact that while I've lived here 22 years as of June 2, I didn't notice any sudden magical transformation when she blew into town. As other long and longer-term residents have been witnessing on this list, this has always been a pretty fine place

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-12 Thread Ross Bender
On 6/12/07, Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ask Tony and Melani if I captured the basic idea. Those are the types of community leaders Penn looks to use because of their personality issues and limited intelligence. Penn would not deal with the real leaders among the people but sought to

RE: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-12 Thread Kyle Cassidy
Ross, I think the obvious way to settle this is a Cut-Throat Quizzo Tournament at Abbraccio. Glenn, vs, Melani, vs, Tony West in a battle of the minds. After that, there will be a crank contest that will allow the spectators vote on who has the most crank like answers to a series of questions from

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-12 Thread KAREN ALLEN
Penn/UCD badmouths this neighborhood to this day. Penn still markets itself by exaggerating how they singlehandedly waived their magic wand and turned this post industrial wasteland of ten years ago into the heaven-on-earth we see now. And now, as Ross pointed out, they've even wrote a book

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-12 Thread Ross Bender
On 6/12/07, Kyle Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ross, I think the obvious way to settle this is a Cut-Throat Quizzo Tournament at Abbraccio. Glenn, vs, Melani, vs, Tony West in a battle of the minds. After that, there will be a crank contest that will allow the spectators vote on who has the

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-12 Thread Glenn
Let's up the stakes a wee bit and I'm in. I'd also like a bottomless top shelf scotch glass. Your treat. All three participants take a pledge that if they lose they will never request leadership in a civic association for the remainder of their lives. Let's give the proceeds to the whores,

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-12 Thread Ross Bender
On 6/12/07, KAREN ALLEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Penn/UCD badmouths this neighborhood to this day. Penn still markets itself by exaggerating how they singlehandedly waived their magic wand and turned this post industrial wasteland of ten years ago into the heaven-on-earth we see now. And now,

RE: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-12 Thread Kyle Cassidy
DEAL! I will buy Glenn all the top shelf scotch he can drink during both the Quizzo and Crank portions of the tournament. Proceeds can be flung into the bowl, little kids will pick them up, but the gang members will take it away. -Original Message- From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-12 Thread Glenn
Does Harmon have any decent scotch? I hear that it's a hell hole up there around 47th St. Could we do this at the Inn at Penn so I don't get shot? Reyom Nnelg - Original Message - From: Kyle Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]; University City List

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-12 Thread Hilary Bonta
That's funny, Ross, because a friend of mine was just telling me the complete opposite. She's raising her kid here as well. She babysat for me about a month ago and after taking my son to the tot lot was just amazed by the difference between now and 10 years ago. She spoke at length about

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-12 Thread Elizabeth F Campion
My daughter, born in 1986 and my son, born in 1991 spent much of their free time in the park, in the bad old days. They seem well begun. Katie is a rising Senior at PENN. Michael is a rising junior at West Catholic. Much is in perception. In 1986 there seemed to be fewer 'white' toddlers. But the

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-12 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Ross Bender wrote: What really bugs me about her razzamatazz is the fact that while I've lived here 22 years as of June 2, I didn't notice any sudden magical transformation when she blew into town. As other long and longer-term residents have been witnessing on this list, this has always been

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-12 Thread Anthony West
There's no question there are more tots on the ground today than there were 10 years ago, when my son was 4. I was no parental expert when the venerable Ross was rearing up his Mennonling along the old stone wall in the North Park. But it seemed to my eye children were few and far between in my

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-11 Thread KAREN ALLEN
Back when the John Fenton mess hit the fan, I had an offlist conversation with someone in which I said that I opposed UCD obtaining the power of taxation because it would make UCD an unelected government answerable only to the University of Pennsylvania. The other person roundly criticised my

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-11 Thread Ross Bender
When I arrived in Ye Olde UC Village in 1985, there were SE Asian refugees warehoused in buildings up and down 48th St. I taught English in Admiral Court, which at the time was half abandoned. The other wing was full of some Vietnamese but primarily Cambodians. A few years later, after I had

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-11 Thread MLamond
In a message dated 6/11/07 10:29:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To be fair, I suppose one must admit that Penn and Judy made a difference in the hood, but to give her all the credit seems a little unrealistic and mythic, to say the least. Yes, there is a history in UC of groups /

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-11 Thread Elizabeth F Campion
I am not into book burning, but if I were, I can think of a few texts to torch that would hold precedence over the new JR work. So, List neighbors if you were to burn your least favorite book, What Author? What Book? Is When part of the context? (e.g.

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-11 Thread Elizabeth F Campion
Melani, This post may be your most twisted perspective on reality, yet. IMHO, John Fry and Judy Rodin managed our neighborhood as if it were an 8 second Bull-ride. Life was a Quid Pro Quo Caberet and rule by the aesthetically fussy (with or without mitigating competence) was endorsed.

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-11 Thread MLamond
In a message dated 6/11/07 2:19:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This post may be your most twisted perspective on reality, yet. Not sure where we disagree here, Liz. I agreed with Ross that people (in this case, Penn) claiming credit for things they hadn't done has always been a problem

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-11 Thread Elizabeth F Campion
In a message dated 6/11/07 2:19:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This post may be your most twisted perspective on reality, yet. Not sure where we disagree here, Liz. Melani Your statement, The best thing Penn did under Judith Rodin was to stop BADMOUTHING the neighborhood. ... it was

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-11 Thread Anthony West
Which of course it was. Parents who used the playground during the 1990s often told of picking up crack vials from the playground in the mornings. One local artist even made sculptures out of recovered crack paraphernalia. On Town Watch patrols 1996-99, we did ample surveillance on the occupied

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-11 Thread Ross Bender
On 6/11/07, Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which of course it was. Parents who used the playground during the 1990s often told of picking up crack vials from the playground in the mornings. One local artist even made sculptures out of recovered crack paraphernalia. On Town Watch patrols

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-11 Thread Anthony West
I can't speak to how dangerous Clark Park was during the '90s. The neighborhood as a whole saw more scary activity then than now, I'd say. I was never afraid in the park, although I knew others were afraid of it. But I was often cautious about crossing it at night, because the after-dark set

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-10 Thread SKnight
No Sande Knight - Original Message - From: Ross Bendermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: University City listservmailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-10 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Ross Bender wrote: So now Judy is enshrined as a goddess, who rode the winged horse Market Forces into our nasty ghetto hood and and built capacity back into a severely distressed inner-city neighborhood. Makes me wanna hurl chunks. this is kind of old news. the apotheosis of judy; the