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On Mar 15, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:
The following app allows one to put any text into a field and search for any
or all words (whole words of patricidal
Hi Pete,
I’ve never gotten into SQL. Will it search for any or all words in any order in
a sentence?
Jim
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Hi Jim,
Have you ever tried the sqlite fts virtual table? It's
On Mar 13, 2014, at 10:17 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
Sure, that's what I'd need to do, convert each instance to items. I was
bemoaning the sheer number of times it would have been necessary in just one
night's work. It does point out the necessity for me to have a global switch
of some
On Mar 13, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Jim Hurley wrote:
I have a poor man’s version that is workable.
However just ran across a sentence in today’s NYT that I will have to include:
(“What they’re offering people is a full stomach and an empty soul.”)
I had dealt with the quote beyond the
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On Mar 13
Just thought of a situation I didn’t deal with. The apostrophe is tricky.
In doing a word search, you would want to kept the apostrophe in the word
“don’t” but probably not in “Howard’s best friend is his dog.” “Howard’s”
should appear in the found sentence but not in the word search, i.e. If
Hi Jim,
Have you ever tried the sqlite fts virtual table? It's specifically
designed for text searching and is lightening fast. Certainly an extra
step load stuff into a sneak but might be worth a look.
Pete
lcSQL Software
On Mar 15, 2014 4:25 PM, Jim Hurley jhurley0...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Mar 15, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:
The following app allows one to put any text into a field and search for any
or all words (whole words of patricidal) in a sentence or paragraph in
whatever order, even MS Word with all their curly quotes and apostrophes etc.
It handles
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com wrote:
I get script compile error: Expression bad factor in the message box,
and when I click on the link itself I get a 404 in the browser.
yeah something odd about the URL here too.
*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco
Hi Stephen, Monte.
We're looking at this today.
Warm regards,
Ben
On 14 March 2014 03:41, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote:
On 14/03/2014, at 2:05 PM, Stephen MacLean wrote:
Everything If tested so far works fine, but mergMK seems to have a
problem when when you go to
Thanks Ben!
Best,
Steve
On Mar 14, 2014, at 6:35 AM, Benjamin Beaumont b...@runrev.com wrote:
Hi Stephen, Monte.
We're looking at this today.
Warm regards,
Ben
On 14 March 2014 03:41, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote:
On 14/03/2014, at 2:05 PM, Stephen
On 3/12/14, 9:25 PM, Dick Kriesel wrote:
How about revword for the pre-7 behavior?
That's not bad. I wouldn't mind it.
As an aside, I'm working late tonight and doing a lot of text parsing.
I've got some text like this:
3/13/14 tab text tab more text
and without even thinking about it,
On 13 Mar 2014, at 04:48, Jim Hurley jhurley0...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
So I really can't see the purpose of RR's sentence chunk. I wish they would
explain.
We'd be using ICU's sentence breaking code. They include a whole bunch of
language-related knowledge with the library and can use
Wouldn't it be simple to
set the itemDel to tab
put item 1 of line x of fld y into tDate
Granted, slightly more work, but since itemDel changes are limited to only the
local handler, it's not too big a deal, is it?
Or am I missing something else?
Re: the change to word - I'd love for it to
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Paul Dupuis p...@researchware.com wrote:
Can someone probably construct some sequence of characters that could be
called a sentence that might get mis-parsed? Possibly - I am familiar
with the library RunRev is using only by reputation, so I can't say for
Sure, that's what I'd need to do, convert each instance to items. I was
bemoaning the sheer number of times it would have been necessary in just one
night's work. It does point out the necessity for me to have a global switch
of some sort.
Think of all the swapping you'd have to do within
Office products stumble at name and standard street abbreviations as well.
Floating point numbers however are ignored. Apparently what they are looking
for is period-space or period-break of some kind. Not very comprehensive, but
of course nothing could accommodate all abbreviations. The
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On 13 Mar 2014, at 04:48, Jim Hurley jhurley0...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
So I really can't see the purpose of RR's sentence chunk. I wish they
would explain
Dear List Members,
This discussion has been very interesting and there have been a lot of
suggestions made. Ultimately I do not feel that now is the correct time to
change the fundamental meaning of any of the syntax of LiveCode. My team
and I have been very carefully crafting the 7.0 release so
Dear list member,
Thank you for your input on this important matter. Having taken all the
posts into account and discussed it internally we are inclined to implement
the following in LiveCode 7.0:
1) Add a 'trueWord' chunk type to provide access to the Unicode Standard's
notion of word-breaking.
On 3/13/14 9:51 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
Dear List Members,
This discussion has been very interesting and there have been a lot of
suggestions made. Ultimately I do not feel that now is the correct time
to change the fundamental meaning of any of the syntax of LiveCode. My
team and I have
On 3/13/14, 10:45 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
Things like this make me ponder in what scenario would it be
necessary to isolate sentences at all.
I've had more than one case where I wanted to extract portions of a
paragraph. Right now lines = paragraphs and it gets messy trying to do
that. Parse
I had to read it 3 times to get it right! No computer is THAT advanced!
Bob
On Mar 13, 2014, at 07:31 , Peter Brigham pmb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Paul Dupuis p...@researchware.com wrote:
Can someone probably construct some sequence of characters that could be
Will point 4 - 'part' synonym break anything that already uses 'part' as
a synonym of 'control'? I've only got one project that uses this
keyword - not a big deal for me to change it, but others may have more
substantial work to change.
On 13/03/2014 16:54, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
Dear
John-
Thursday, March 13, 2014, 3:25:19 PM, you wrote:
Will point 4 - 'part' synonym break anything that already uses 'part' as
a synonym of 'control'? I've only got one project that uses this
keyword - not a big deal for me to change it, but others may have more
substantial work to
On Mar 13, 2014, at 1:10 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote:
So let's please do our part to ensure that the current Release Candidate
fully meets our needs. If we test thoroughly enough it may even be the most
solid release ever, which benefits everyone.
6.6 RC1 is
On 14/03/2014, at 2:05 PM, Stephen MacLean wrote:
Everything If tested so far works fine, but mergMK seems to have a problem
when when you go to set it's rect to the rect of a graphic that's been
scaled, it doesn't see it as scaled and is drawn at a quarter of the size.
Hmm...
I think this might be useful for anyone who wants to detect word breaks
in Unicode,
although, personally, it makes me feel very queasy indeed:
http://www.unicode.org/Public/6.3.0/ucd/auxiliary/WordBreakTest.html
This comment; The material here is informative, not normative. doesn't
exactly
On 11 Mar 2014, at 19:26, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
Well; in theory that looks good until you start to think about languages
which are
written (such as Sanskrit) with no obvious word boundaries and both vowel
mutation (Sandhi)
at what would be word boundaries, and
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Subject: New chunks
Hi All,
We're in the process of adding some new chunk types in LiveCode 7 and we
would appreciate suggestions for a particular chunk name.
The new chunk types are:
naturalword (breaks on unicode word boundaries)
sentence
On 12/03/14 12:12, Fraser Gordon wrote:
On 11 Mar 2014, at 19:26, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
Well; in theory that looks good until you start to think about languages which
are
written (such as Sanskrit) with no obvious word boundaries and both vowel
mutation (Sandhi)
at what
On 3/12/14, 5:12 AM, Fraser Gordon wrote:
The library that we use for low-level Unicode stuff
Just curious, do you know how much this will inflate the file size of a
standalone? (Not that it matters really.) I'm thinking about the
dictionary size(s) as well as the library itself.
--
On 12/03/14 18:07, J. Landman Gay wrote:
On 3/12/14, 5:12 AM, Fraser Gordon wrote:
The library that we use for low-level Unicode stuff
Just curious, do you know how much this will inflate the file size of
a standalone? (Not that it matters really.) I'm thinking about the
dictionary size(s) as
On 12 Mar 2014, at 17:02, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/03/14 18:07, J. Landman Gay wrote:
On 3/12/14, 5:12 AM, Fraser Gordon wrote:
The library that we use for low-level Unicode stuff
Just curious, do you know how much this will inflate the file size of
a standalone?
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Hi All,
We're in the process of adding some new
As they are unicode “words”, why not: wurd?
put the 2nd wurd of “word word” into naturalword.
Just a thought.
(Now ducking and running because this email is obviously about cheese).
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How about revword for the pre-7 behavior?
+ frees word to make learning easier post-6
+ tribute to heritage
+ easily recognizable and sensible reference for current and future livecoders
+ no reference to encoding
+ no reference to versions
+ no unexpected u
+ precedent for similar changes in the
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Let me try this again.
In “sentence (breaks on unicode sentence boundaries)” how does RR distinguish
between the multiple uses of the period?
Jim
___
use
+1 for revword. But I still think wurd is the funniest.
.Jerry
On Mar 12, 2014, at 7:25 PM, Dick Kriesel dick.krie...@mail.com wrote:
How about revword for the pre-7 behavior?
+ frees word to make learning easier post-6
+ tribute to heritage
+ easily recognizable and sensible reference for
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Pretty sure Livecode is going to do a simple delimiter on period. You would
have to prep the data first
Hi All,
We're in the process of adding some new chunk types in LiveCode 7 and we
would appreciate suggestions for a particular chunk name.
The new chunk types are:
naturalword (breaks on unicode word boundaries)
sentence (breaks on unicode sentence boundaries)
paragraph (Same behaviour as
uword
or
wordup (up = unicode part)
~Roger
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Hi All,
We're in the process of adding some new chunk types in LiveCode 7 and we
would appreciate suggestions for a particular chunk name.
The new chunk types are:
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uword
or
wordup (up = unicode part)
~Roger
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Hi All,
We're in the process
On 11/03/14 20:15, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
Hi All,
We're in the process of adding some new chunk types in LiveCode 7 and we
would appreciate suggestions for a particular chunk name.
The new chunk types are:
naturalword (breaks on unicode word boundaries)
Well; in theory that looks good
On Mar 11, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
Hi All,
We're in the process of adding some new chunk types in LiveCode 7 and we
would appreciate suggestions for a particular chunk name.
The new chunk types are:
naturalword (breaks on unicode word boundaries)
snip
Will this be
Richmond richmondmathewson@... writes:
How are you going to work out what marks a sentence boundary in every
language that one can write
with Unicode? And there are languages where the idea of a 'sentence' is
absent.
My initial take on this was the same as yours. But unicode separators
Benjamin Beaumont ben@... writes:
'naturalword' is the clearest internal suggestion at the moment and we'd
love to get the input from community members if there is an even clearer
option.
My preferences, in order would be:
1. change the parser so that it accepts modifiers, and specifically
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Hi All,
We're in the process
What are the pros and cons of making the 'useUnicode' property
persistent and true by default, and let it determine the meaning of
'word'? To my own immature understanding, that seems like a better
approach that trying to come up with a new vocabulary item.
Phil Davis
On 3/11/14, 11:15 AM,
Or maybe introduce a persistent 'useUnicodeChunks' property that
controls which kind of chunking is used.
On 3/11/14, 3:42 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
What are the pros and cons of making the 'useUnicode' property
persistent and true by default, and let it determine the meaning of
'word'? To my own
Sorry, I didn't read all emails before suggesting this.
:-)
On 3/11/14, 3:44 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
Or maybe introduce a persistent 'useUnicodeChunks' property that
controls which kind of chunking is used.
On 3/11/14, 3:42 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
What are the pros and cons of making the
Phil Davis revdev@... writes:
What are the pros and cons of making the 'useUnicode' property
persistent and true by default, and let it determine the meaning of
'word'? To my own immature understanding, that seems like a better
approach that trying to come up with a new vocabulary item.
Hi Ben,
I think that the chunk names for unicode should be exactly the same as
for english text, but they should act differently if either the text
being operated on is unicode text or the useUnicode has been set to true.
Note that other development tools don't have this problem at all.
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