Re: WinSignHelperV2 (gui for signtool.exe) is now available in RevOnline/LivecodeShare

2024-09-13 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
Hello Scott, I just had a little spare time. So I created a UTM VM with Windows 11 pro 23h2. I installed the most current version of the Windows SDK, which contains native tools x86, x64 and ARM. I only selected "Windows SDK Signing Tools for Desktop Apps". First I tried to code sign using sig

Re: WinSignHelperV2 (gui for signtool.exe) is now available in RevOnline/LivecodeShare

2024-09-12 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
Hello Scott, thank you for pointing this out. Stack is fixed. I am so used to these power buttons that I just forgot that they are not included by default. Regarding the VM. I am running here a Windows 11 ARM version in a Parallels VM on my M1 Mac. And signtool.exe works here with a cloud based

Re: WinSignHelperV2 (gui for signtool.exe) is now available in RevOnline/LivecodeShare

2024-09-12 Thread scott--- via use-livecode
Thank you, Matthias. I use your “mrSignNotarizeHelperV4.livecode” project regularly. I love how it wraps in DropDMG. I also wrote a GUI for code signing with a USB token. My project works well in a VM on an Intel Mac with Windows 10. However, I was hoping to run a VM on an ARM Mac using the ne

Re: LivecodeShare/revOnline - How to upload?

2024-09-12 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
Thanks Bernd. That helped. > Am 12.09.2024 um 19:12 schrieb Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode > : > > Hi Matthias, > > If you are using LC 10.0.0 RC1 and then open "Sample Stacks" from within LC > Sample Stacks have lost their "You are logged in" etc at the topRight of > Sample Stacks. > How

WinSignHelperV2 (gui for signtool.exe) is now available in RevOnline/LivecodeShare

2024-09-12 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
Hi, WinSignHelperV2 is now available in the Sample stacks section of LC. Just search for WinSignHelperV2. It is also here available https://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/1040/WinSignHelperV2 The tool builds the correct signtool.exe parameters and execute signtool.exe It was now successfully

Re: LivecodeShare/revOnline - How to upload?

2024-09-12 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Hello all, I am afk now, but if I remember correctly, the options to log in etc are still there in LC 10, but they have white textColor in white background! But if you hover the mouse over them they should change color. Cheers, Panos On Thu, 12 Sept 2024, 20:14 Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode,

Re: LivecodeShare/revOnline - How to upload?

2024-09-12 Thread Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode
Hi Matthias, If you are using LC 10.0.0 RC1 and then open "Sample Stacks" from within LC Sample Stacks have lost their "You are logged in" etc at the topRight of Sample Stacks. However using LC 9.6.13 it shows up as usual. This supposes that you were logged in. Otherwise it will give you the op

Re: LivecodeShare/revOnline - How to upload?

2024-09-12 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
oad a sample stack to > revOnline/LivecodeShare. > My login credentials are already stored in Livecode's preferences, but the > SampleStacks area within LC only shows stacks, but does not allow to upload. > And the webversion at livecodeshare.runrev.com > <http://livecodesh

LivecodeShare/revOnline - How to upload?

2024-09-12 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
Hi, am I missing something? I cannot find a login area to upload a sample stack to revOnline/LivecodeShare. My login credentials are already stored in Livecode's preferences, but the SampleStacks area within LC only shows stacks, but does not allow to upload. And the webversi

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-10-04 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I could have sired a child who was just now graduating high school! :-) Bob S > On Oct 3, 2021, at 09:16 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 9/30/21 7:02 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: > >> - a "require" or "include" mechanism for dependencies in libraries > > LOL. Th

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-10-03 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 9/30/21 7:02 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:  - a "require" or "include" mechanism for dependencies in libraries LOL. That request is now some 17 years old. https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1712 -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com _

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
you described. Roger On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in there but i

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode
gt; >> Roger >> >>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: >>>> On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: >>

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode
Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: >>>> On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: >>>> >>>>> Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content >>>>> in there but it has the issues you list. >>> So

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
e a very useful project. There is a lot of content in there but it has the issues you list. So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. There's an old joke about a tourist in Ireland who realizes she(*) is lost, and ask for directions from an old farmer at the si

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode
; >>>> Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content >>>> in there but it has the issues you list. >> >> So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. >> There's an old joke about a tourist in Irela

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode
ia use-livecode wrote: >> >>> Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in >>> there but it has the issues you list. > > So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. > There's an old joke about a tou

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
revonline. There's an old joke about a tourist in Ireland who realizes she(*) is lost, and ask for directions from an old farmer at the side of the road. "Well", says he, "if I wanted to go there, I wouldn't start from here." I found the revonline scripts rather

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
. Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Develop Yourself On 06/09/2021, 14:11, "use-livecode on behalf of Alex Tweedly via use-livecode" wrote: In the main thread, I mentioned that I found revOnline (aka "Sample Stacks"), but didn'

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-06 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
use-livecode" wrote: In the main thread, I mentioned that I found revOnline (aka "Sample Stacks"), but didn't say how or why. Here the answer to that ... It has: - no differentiation between 'libraries' and 'examples' - it has no su

Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-06 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
In the main thread, I mentioned that I found revOnline (aka "Sample Stacks"), but didn't say how or why. Here the answer to that ... It has: - no differentiation between 'libraries' and 'examples' - it has no support for script-only stacks, which is surely t

new stack script comparison plugin on RevOnline

2015-01-16 Thread Phil Davis
Hi folks, Recently I built a plugin that helped me stop beating my head against the wall quite so often. It lets me compare the script of a stack I'm editing to a copy on disk, and yields 100% accurate results in a very usable format. I just uploaded it to RevOnline. Here is the wri

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
> - Original Message - From: "Peter M. Brigham" > To: "How to use LiveCode" > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:31 PM > Subject: Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary > > >> On Jul 27, 2014, at 2:21 PM, wrote: >> >>

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread larry
OK, thanks Peter. I'll wait for the improvements. Larry - Original Message - From: "Peter M. Brigham" To: "How to use LiveCode" Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:31 PM Subject: Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary On Jul 27, 2014, at 2:21 PM,

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Whoops, pressed send too soon. > > How can I get this version to you/the list? > > Also, I think your array may need to have an extra level of key for the > entry type (command, property, etc) since there are multiple entries in the > dictionar

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, at 3:05 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 7/27/2014, 1:31 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: >> On the Mac these days the plugins folder is within the LiveCode app >> package (LiveCode xxx.app/Contents/Tools/Plugins/). On Windows the >> plugins folder should be visible with no hassle. > >

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 7/27/2014, 1:31 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: On the Mac these days the plugins folder is within the LiveCode app package (LiveCode xxx.app/Contents/Tools/Plugins/). On Windows the plugins folder should be visible with no hassle. That folder is meant only for the plugins that ship with LiveCod

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, at 2:21 PM, wrote: > Hello Peter, > I went to your link below. > I see what appears to be a LiveCode stack. > Do I have to compile that before I put in the plugins folder? > Sorry, I'm a VERY newbie. No, just drop it into your plugins folder and restart LC. On the Mac these days

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Whoops, pressed send too soon. > > How can I get this version to you/the list? > > Also, I think your array may need to have an extra level of key for the > entry type (command, property, etc) since there are multiple entries in the > dictionar

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread larry
Hello Peter, I went to your link below. I see what appears to be a LiveCode stack. Do I have to compile that before I put in the plugins folder? Sorry, I'm a VERY newbie. Thanks, Larry > OK, here's a quick-and-dirty plugin called LCdictPlugin. Pop it into your plugins folder and restart LC. I

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter Haworth
Whoops, pressed send too soon. How can I get this version to you/the list? Also, I think your array may need to have an extra level of key for the entry type (command, property, etc) since there are multiple entries in the dictionary for the same term in some cases (e.g hilite is a command and a

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter Haworth
Thanks for this Peter, installed and working fine. I added a couple of things to it - saving the htmltext of the note into the array so simple formatting is maintained - An index of all the user notes in alpha order, accessible by shift clicking the "user note" pseudo button. Pete lcSQL Softwar

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, I wrote: > OK, here's a quick-and-dirty plugin called LCdictPlugin. Pop it into your > plugins folder and restart LC. I realized that with my original plugin it's impossible to tell if you have a user note for a given dictionary entry without checking each entry every time wit

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, I wrote: > OK, here's a quick-and-dirty plugin called LCdictPlugin. Pop it into your > plugins folder and restart LC. I realized that with my original plugin it's impossible to tell if you have a user note for a given dictionary entry without checking each entry every time wit

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Richmond
On 27/07/14 18:00, Peter M. Brigham wrote: My stacks are not password protected, I just have an ask password barrier to accessing the data. I may be misremembering, so that may not have been the problem. I just recall being blocked at the outset and deciding not to bother running anything beyo

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
My stacks are not password protected, I just have an ask password barrier to accessing the data. I may be misremembering, so that may not have been the problem. I just recall being blocked at the outset and deciding not to bother running anything beyond 5.5.1. At some point I'll try it again. -

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Richmond
On 27/07/14 17:38, Peter M. Brigham wrote: On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Peter M. Brigham wrote: (Sorry, like Richmond, I am not using LC 6.x for most of what I do, since that would involve updating 32,000 lines of script.) I must have missed something, as I've been hap

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Peter M. Brigham wrote: > > > (Sorry, like Richmond, I am not using LC 6.x for most of what I > > do, since that would involve updating 32,000 lines of script.) > > I must have missed something, as I've been happily working away in v6 without

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Richmond
On 27/07/14 17:27, Richard Gaskin wrote: Peter M. Brigham wrote: > (Sorry, like Richmond, I am not using LC 6.x for most of what I > do, since that would involve updating 32,000 lines of script.) I must have missed something, as I've been happily working away in v6 without ever noticing that m

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Richard Gaskin
Peter M. Brigham wrote: > (Sorry, like Richmond, I am not using LC 6.x for most of what I > do, since that would involve updating 32,000 lines of script.) I must have missed something, as I've been happily working away in v6 without ever noticing that my old code wasn't supposed to work. Can

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, I wrote: > OK, here's a quick-and-dirty plugin called LCdictPlugin. Pop it into your > plugins folder and restart LC. Forgot to say, make sure the plugin is set to open at LC startup. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Richmond
On 27/07/14 17:01, Peter M. Brigham (Sorry, like Richmond, I am not using LC 6.x for most of what I do, since that would involve updating 32,000 lines of script.) That is slightly misleading: My commercial ventures (such as they are: gross income for 2014 = 20 Euros) are all made with LC

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 14, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Charles E Buchwald wrote: > I know this is just one more complaint about how broken RevOnline is... But > it would be _really_ nice if it worked again. > > I just spent 45 minutes figuring out that when you use the revZip external, > you sometimes

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-14 Thread Charles E Buchwald
Thanks for the update, Richard. On 14 Jul 2014, at 11:44 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Charles E Buchwald wrote: > > > I know this is just one more complaint about how broken RevOnline > > is... But it would be _really_ nice if it worked again. > > There's a pr

Re: RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-14 Thread Richard Gaskin
Charles E Buchwald wrote: > I know this is just one more complaint about how broken RevOnline > is... But it would be _really_ nice if it worked again. There's a project in the IDE Contributors section of the forum for improving RevOnline: <http://forums.livecode.com/viewto

RevOnline & User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-14 Thread Charles E Buchwald
I know this is just one more complaint about how broken RevOnline is... But it would be _really_ nice if it worked again. I just spent 45 minutes figuring out that when you use the revZip external, you sometimes have to enclose your variable names in quotes. As usual I searched the list

Re: revOnline is funky

2014-03-04 Thread proth...@earthednet.org
. > > 4W Props is in RevNet, which predates RevOnline by a couple years (and has > unfortunately proven more reliable). > > RevNet is accessible within the LC IDE through its bundled plugin - see > Development->Plugins->GoRevNet > > -- > Richard G

Re: revOnline is funky

2014-03-04 Thread Richard Gaskin
prothero wrote: I was trying to download Richard Gaskin's prop inspector, but can't find it on the web site. 4W Props is in RevNet, which predates RevOnline by a couple years (and has unfortunately proven more reliable). RevNet is accessible within the LC IDE through its bund

Re: revOnline is funky

2014-03-04 Thread proth...@earthednet.org
Bernd: It's a pity. I was trying to download Richard Gaskin's prop inspector, but can't find it on the web site. Anyway, I've gotta get back to some productive work. Best, bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org On Mar 4, 2014, at 12:40 PM, BNig wrote: > Hi William, > > see Bug 11387

Re: revOnline is funky

2014-03-04 Thread BNig
Hi William, see Bug 11387 in Quality Control Center http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387 It seems to be a rather nasty problem since it is not always reproducible. Although I experience what you describe every time. Kind regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://runti

Re: revOnline is funky

2014-03-04 Thread proth...@earthednet.org
In revOnline window, from LC 6.6.0 dp-1, it is hanging the entire app. I get the following error message when i do an Apple-period command: - The following server error was encountered

revOnline is funky

2014-03-04 Thread proth...@earthednet.org
What's going on with revOnline when accessed from the IDE, Developer menu? I'm trying to download Richard's property inspector and it seems to hang. I try to log in and it won't recognize my password, and won't try to reset my password. Fortunately, the web site

Re: revOnline

2013-10-02 Thread Scott Rossi
Why must you always chase the cat? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 10/2/13 6:48 PM, "Mark Wieder" wrote: >Jacque- > >Wednesday, October 2, 2013, 1:10:25 PM, you wrote: > >> You came out of your corner, didn't you. > >Nuthin' but the groundhog in me >(Bo

Re: revOnline

2013-10-02 Thread Mark Wieder
Jacque- Wednesday, October 2, 2013, 1:10:25 PM, you wrote: > You came out of your corner, didn't you. Nuthin' but the groundhog in me (Bow-wow-wow yippee-yo yippee-yay) -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livec

Re: revOnline

2013-10-02 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 10/2/13 2:59 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Kay- Tuesday, October 1, 2013, 6:38:08 PM, you wrote: No, the day was definitely broken but after that post it's much better now. That must be why they call it daybreak. You came out of your corner, didn't you. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay |

Re: revOnline

2013-10-02 Thread Mark Wieder
Kay- Tuesday, October 1, 2013, 6:38:08 PM, you wrote: > No, the day was definitely broken but after that post it's much better now. That must be why they call it daybreak. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-li

Re: revOnline

2013-10-02 Thread Mark Wieder
Jacque- Wednesday, October 2, 2013, 12:04:19 PM, you wrote: > I wish I could get it to access next year reliably. There's some > features I need. That's easy. Just wait until a day after next year. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-li

Re: revOnline

2013-10-02 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 10/2/13 11:49 AM, Roger Eller wrote: On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: I know RunRev have some amazingly talented people available to them but fixing the day beats it all! RunRev is *obviously* harnessing the power of time travel from a stack by J. Landman Gay. At le

Re: revOnline

2013-10-02 Thread Roger Eller
eard next week. :) > > RevOnline seems to be OK again with 5.5.4. > > Pete > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com> > > > On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Mark Wieder > wrote: > > > > Maybe there was a problem earlier in the day that got fixed? > >

Re: revOnline

2013-10-02 Thread Peter Haworth
I know RunRev have some amazingly talented people available to them but fixing the day beats it all! RevOnline seems to be OK again with 5.5.4. Pete lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > Maybe there was a problem earlier in

Re: revOnline

2013-10-01 Thread Kay C Lan
No, the day was definitely broken but after that post it's much better now. Thanks ;-) On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > Maybe there was a problem earlier in the day that got fixed? > > Er... that should read maybe the *problem* got fixed, not the day... > > -- > -Mark Wie

Re: revOnline

2013-10-01 Thread Mark Wieder
> Maybe there was a problem earlier in the day that got fixed? Er... that should read maybe the *problem* got fixed, not the day... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this

Re: revOnline

2013-10-01 Thread Mark Wieder
Pete- Tuesday, October 1, 2013, 4:55:06 PM, you wrote: > Thanks, yes they work OK in 6.1.1. I guess I'll have to stop using 5.5.4 > which is where I came across the problem. Working for me here with 5.5.4. Maybe there was a problem earlier in the day that got fixed? -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@a

Re: revOnline

2013-10-01 Thread Peter Haworth
Thanks, yes they work OK in 6.1.1. I guess I'll have to stop using 5.5.4 which is where I came across the problem. Pete lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Warren Samples wrote: > On 10/01/2013 05:38 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >>

Re: revOnline

2013-10-01 Thread Warren Samples
On 10/01/2013 05:38 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: revOnline appears to be completely dead - searching doesn't work and clicking a keyword does nothing either. Anyone having the same experience? Pete All these functions seem to be working normally here in LC 6.1.1 and 6.5dp1. W

revOnline

2013-10-01 Thread Peter Haworth
revOnline appears to be completely dead - searching doesn't work and clicking a keyword does nothing either. Anyone having the same experience? Pete lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-02 Thread Mark Wilcox
Monte Goulding wrote: >> It's nice when you guys get involved. I totally agree with the logic behind >>what you said by the way. Unfortunately this stuff isn't as logical as we >>often assume it is ;-) I also think the law in this area is bonkers and agree with the more common sense view of

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-02 Thread Monte Goulding
It's nice when you guys get involved. I totally agree with the logic behind what you said by the way. Unfortunately this stuff isn't as logical as we often assume it is ;-) -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 02/08/2013, at 5:16 PM, Heathe

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-02 Thread Heather Laine
:) Yes Monte, I do. I expect them to use it - according to the clearly defined terms of the accompanying license. LiveCode's IDE has always been open and available for people to use, copy and learn from. I guess I shouldn't post late in the evening without due thought and consideration. I thin

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Marian Petrides MD
want to share your code, why on earth would > you upload it to revOnline? Its kinda like painting a picture, hanging it on > the wall, and then telling folks, hey, thats my picture, don't look at it! > > I've nothing against people protecting their code if they want to. It&#

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Peter Haworth
...or "Wrong" by David Freedman. Slightly different focus - it's about why experts are very frequently wrong. Pete lcSQL Software On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Jacques Hausser wrote: > Why is it so complicate nowadays to remain simple ? > > Jacques > >

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Peter Haworth
Read "Simplexity" by Jeoffrey Kluger Pete lcSQL Software On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Jacques Hausser wrote: > Why is it so complicate nowadays to remain simple ? > > Jacques > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-live

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Jacques Hausser
Why is it so complicate nowadays to remain simple ? Jacques ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/u

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Peter Haworth
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Heather Laine wrote: > Call me naive but.. if you don't want to share your code, why on earth > would you upload it to revOnline? Its kinda like painting a picture, > hanging it on the wall, and then telling folks, hey, thats my picture, >

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Richmond
On 08/01/2013 11:40 PM, Heather Laine wrote: Call me naive but.. if you don't want to share your code, why on earth would you upload it to revOnline? Its kinda like painting a picture, hanging it on the wall, and then telling folks, hey, thats my picture, don't look at it! I&

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Richard Gaskin
Heather Laine wrote: > Call me naive but.. if you don't want to share your code, why on > earth would you upload it to revOnline? There may be many reasons: - The stack may be a tutorial, and while the code techniques it describes may be shareable there may be libraries or other c

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Monte Goulding
On 02/08/2013, at 12:25 AM, "Dr. Hawkins" wrote: > If they don't contain *any* code, I agree. If I designed such a file > format, it would only > have descriptions of what the user did, and would be pure ascii. > > I can't tell; there are certainly non-ascii characters in there, and I > just d

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Monte Goulding
On 02/08/2013, at 6:40 AM, Heather Laine wrote: > I've nothing against people protecting their code if they want to. It's > theirs. But if they upload it, openly, to a shared site… what do they expect > people to do with it? You do realise that all of RunRev's IP is openly uploaded to a share

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Heather Laine
Call me naive but.. if you don't want to share your code, why on earth would you upload it to revOnline? Its kinda like painting a picture, hanging it on the wall, and then telling folks, hey, thats my picture, don't look at it! I've nothing against people protecting their code

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Monte Goulding
On 02/08/2013, at 2:58 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > The whole point of revOnline is to freely and openly share code with no > strings attached. If that's not what you want to do, then you should find > a location that is more appropriate to your objectives. Hmm... Mark Wieder said

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Monte Goulding
othing. What I'd like to see is a license picker as part of the upload process with the option to enter your own. The chosen license is then displayed where you might download the stack. All current stacks just get listed as unspecified license until owners update them. This whole topic

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Richmond
On 08/01/2013 09:25 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: it's not the site, it was just the title of the thread and the strong reaction it seems to evoke. I don't use revOnline, so I can't comment on it. Well, I started the thread, and the reaction was both amazing, and, I believe, heal

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Mike Kerner
it's not the site, it was just the title of the thread and the strong reaction it seems to evoke. I don't use revOnline, so I can't comment on it. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 08/01/2013 07:34 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > >> This is just awful an

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Richmond
On 08/01/2013 07:34 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: This is just awful and freudian at the same time. I did a double-take when I read the subject this time, because for a second I thought it was "revOnline and Open Sores" LOL! The whole thing does look a bit like an Open Sore.

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Robert Mann
I totally agree with you :: things should be simple. Simple for us, simple for th experimented commercial developer helping us out, simple for Kevin, simple for the 12 yrs old newcomer, simple and clear for everybody := revOnline =equals= freely shared no strings attached. Full point. I believe

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Peter Haworth
I'm in favor of a statement making it clear what the conditions for uploading stacks to revOnline are. I'm not in favor of allowing those terms to be overriden by people setting their own licensing terms on a stack by stack basis. The whole point of revOnline is to freely and openly

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Mike Kerner
This is just awful and freudian at the same time. I did a double-take when I read the subject this time, because for a second I thought it was "revOnline and Open Sores" On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Mark Wilcox wrote: > Richmond wrote: > > > If copyright is not

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Mark Wilcox
domain (in the UK) - the rules differ slightly in different countries but have been adjusted to be broadly the same in most of the developed world at least. From: Richmond To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2013, 16:30 Subject: Re: revOnline and O

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Mark Wilcox
Dr. Hawkins wrote: > If they don't contain *any* code, I agree.  If I designed such a file > format, it would only > have descriptions of what the user did, and would be pure ascii. > I can't tell; there are certainly non-ascii characters in there, and I > just don't know what > they are.  I *a

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Richmond
On 08/01/2013 03:56 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: I think most of the people sharing on revOnline are happy for their ideas to be used, otherwise they wouldn't have uploaded the stacks. However I do agree that some legal clarification is a good idea. How about we state that everything on revOnli

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Richmond
On 08/01/2013 12:52 PM, Robert Mann wrote: So to sum it up : 1. Situation is a big mess :: all stacks published at revOnline are ab initio protected by copyright, which is in apparent conflict with the purpose of revOnline, which is to share code ideas and code. 2. Authors SHOULD specify the

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:35 AM, Mark Wilcox wrote: > > 3) Stackfiles are (almost certainly) not derivative works. The content of > stacks is > generated by LiveCode but they do not contain bits of the engine code. If they don't contain *any* code, I agree. If I designed such a file format, it

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:56 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > I think most of the people sharing on revOnline are happy for their ideas > to be used, otherwise they wouldn't have uploaded the stacks. However I do > agree that some legal clarification is a good idea. How about we state >

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Dr. Hawkins
ct, but what you are talking about are "derived works." Can't do that without violating the copyright. > So that practice of using revOnline as a source of inspiration should not > break copyright rules??? Inspiration, yes. Code, no. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 50

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > I would think that it is clear to users that sharing code (rather than > stacks) in the code section of RevOnline, implies that people can use it to > learn from. Copying and using it would violate copyright, I think the d

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Dr. Hawkins wrote: >> As the author of the seminal Economic paper on the subject, I chose >> "viral" and "public" quite deliberately. > That's certainly your right, or anyone's right, regardless of any academic > credentials. It's also th

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Mark Wilcox
Kevin Miller wrote: > I think most of the people sharing on revOnline are happy for their ideas > to be used, otherwise they wouldn't have uploaded the stacks. However I do > agree that some legal clarification is a good idea. How about we state > that everything on revOnline

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Mark Wilcox
s include the engine code and most definitely are derivative works and thus subject to the GPL. 5) Regardless of licensing issues, you can do whatever you want with (non-password protected) stacks you find on revOnline or anywhere else with the community edition *for your own use* - its further

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Richard Gaskin
Kevin Miller wrote: I think most of the people sharing on revOnline are happy for their ideas to be used, otherwise they wouldn't have uploaded the stacks. However I do agree that some legal clarification is a good idea. How about we state that everything on revOnline is automatically p

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Kevin Miller
I think most of the people sharing on revOnline are happy for their ideas to be used, otherwise they wouldn't have uploaded the stacks. However I do agree that some legal clarification is a good idea. How about we state that everything on revOnline is automatically public domain, *unless

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