Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-04-29 Thread Thomas McGrath III
This is from the Apple website: http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev

Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Graham & Heather Harrison
Randall Reetz wrote: > We are still living in a world where computing exists as pre-written and > compiled software that is blindly executed by machines and stacked > foundational code that has no idea what it is processing, can only process > linearly, all semantics have been stripped, it does

Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-03 Thread Kurt Kaufman
Colin Holgate: > "Aha! Hence the new Apple slogan: Sink Different." Please forgive me, but for those who haven't seen it, this clip is right on the mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMhICbFn2JI___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.r

Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-03 Thread Kurt Kaufman
I think that the combination of portability/touchscreen opens up a few new tricks; an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHiEqf5wb3g&NR=1&feature=fvwp It seems to me that Apple has its own versions of technologies that accept a greater variety of user inputs, perhaps mitigating the need fo

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-04-29 Thread stephen barncard
Wow. Pretty strong arguments. On 29 April 2010 08:22, Thomas McGrath III <3mcgr...@comcast.net> wrote: > This is from the Apple website: > > http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ > ___ > -- - Stephen Barncard Back home

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-04-29 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 29/04/2010 18:22, Thomas McGrath III wrote: This is from the Apple website: http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage y

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-04-29 Thread Richmond Mathewson
"If developers grow dependent on third party development libraries and tools, they can only take advantage of platform enhancements if and when the third party chooses to adopt the new features." That, my friends, could apply to RunRev as well as all the other "third party development libraries

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-04-29 Thread René Micout
Dear Richmond, Linux does not create Macintosh, iPhone and iPad !! ;-) René Le 29 avr. 2010 à 18:32, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : > "If developers grow dependent on third party development libraries and tools, > they can only take advantage of platform enhancements if and when the third > party c

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-04-29 Thread Roger . E . Eller
On 04/29/2010 at 01:01 PM, René Micout wrote: > Dear Richmond, > Linux does not create Macintosh, iPhone and iPad !! > ;-) > René > >> On April 29, 2010 at 18:32, Richmond Mathewson wrote: >> ... snip ... >> Unfortunately, I have grown "dependent on third party development libraries and tools", >>

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-04-29 Thread René Micout
Hello Roger, I just want to point out that Apple is not only a creator of OS, but also the creator of computers throughout the last decades have greatly advanced the technology. This is what I understand the statement of Steve Jobs. I also regret what could happen to RevMobile, with many projects

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-04-29 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 29/04/2010 20:01, René Micout wrote: Dear Richmond, Linux does not create Macintosh, iPhone and iPad !! ;-) René I know. Possibly you misunderstood the 'sting in the tail' of my message. What I meant was that as there might be a risk of Macintosh closing its doors to anything not develope

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-04-30 Thread Peter Alcibiades
Some very wise comments on this issue: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/04/pot-meet-kettle-a-response-to-steve-jobs-letter-on-flash.ars -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2077346.html Sent

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-04-30 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 30/04/2010 21:36, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Some very wise comments on this issue: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/04/pot-meet-kettle-a-response-to-steve-jobs-letter-on-flash.ars Lest you forget: "freedom is slavery" . . . :( ___ use-revolu

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-04-30 Thread Kay C Lan
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Peter Alcibiades < palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > Some very wise comments on this issue: > > Yes, many of the reader 'comments' made about this article are very wise. Unfortunately the article itself seems to be written by someone who believes they live i

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-04-30 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 01/05/2010 04:34, Kay C Lan wrote: On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Peter Alcibiades< palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Some very wise comments on this issue: Yes, many of the reader 'comments' made about this article are very wise. Unfortunately the article itself seems to be written

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-01 Thread Peter Alcibiades
e in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2107283.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com P

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-01 Thread Kay C Lan
I guess someone else agrees with Apple: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/173519,microsoft-announces-ie9-will-not-support-flash.aspx What a hoot :-)) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubsc

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-01 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 01/05/2010 10:34, Kay C Lan wrote: I guess someone else agrees with Apple: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/173519,microsoft-announces-ie9-will-not-support-flash.aspx What a hoot :-)) Is that person's name really "Hachamovitch"? Hack - em - over - itch. Must be the lack of sleep last night

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-01 Thread Peter Alcibiades
les-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2111625.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your su

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-01 Thread Kay C Lan
If this were April 1st I'd certainly think you were on to something, but a Google search of 'Dean Hachamovitch' reveals he really is who they say he is. Bye Bye Flash... Almost seems like a Tech Lynching. Now let me guess, there'll be a whole bunch of rumours surrounding this event, followed by le

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-01 Thread Colin Holgate
On May 1, 2010, at 3:34 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: > I guess someone else agrees with Apple: > > http://www.itnews.com.au/News/173519,microsoft-announces-ie9-will-not-support-flash.aspx > > What a hoot :-)) That article has been quoted all over the place, and fortunately most of the debate has bee

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-01 Thread Lynn Fredricks
> I guess someone else agrees with Apple: > > http://www.itnews.com.au/News/173519,microsoft-announces-ie9-w > ill-not-support-flash.aspx I could be wrong, but I believe several sites are quoting this link: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/04/29/html5-video.aspx I don't think he is saying

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-01 Thread Ian Wood
On 1 May 2010, at 08:55, Peter Alcibiades wrote: HTML5 is not open. Its a different flavor of proprietary, by the way. H264 is proprietary. H264 is proprietary, but h264 is NOT part of HTML5. HTML5 just specifies a video tag without specifying the type of video. HTML5 is no more propr

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-01 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 01/05/2010 19:24, Ian Wood wrote: On 1 May 2010, at 08:55, Peter Alcibiades wrote: HTML5 is not open. Its a different flavor of proprietary, by the way. H264 is proprietary. H264 is proprietary, but h264 is NOT part of HTML5. HTML5 just specifies a video tag without specifying the ty

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-01 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
don't you guys get it? Adobe is the biggest creep in techdom. Do you remember how they screwed apple over post script? They are the patent hogs who have stymied computational evolution for 30 years. The only company worse then them was micromedia and adobe acquired flash by buying them outr

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-01 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 01/05/2010 22:23, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: don't you guys get it? Adobe is the biggest creep in techdom. Do you remember how they screwed apple over post script? They are the patent hogs who have stymied computational evolution for 30 years. The only company worse then them was microm

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-01 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
To look at photshop or illustrator as chronos as perfect form in their categories is like looking to some awkward plated dinosaur as pattern for the future of land animals. If the target of open source is restricted to the application layer we should expect nothing more than crippled duplicates

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-01 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
Also, adobe isn't doing any of its code "donkeys" any favors when it under exploits the market through old world protectionist business practices and an avoidance of future looking technology. As with retirement pools, an entity will never be able to sustain old obligations on the profits of old

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-01 Thread Jerry Daniels
Great short article that I believe accurately describes the corporate culture behind Apple's platform lock down. Mark Bernstein: Platform Control http://www.markbernstein.org/Apr10/PlatformControl.html (via Instapaper) Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20%

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
I don't buy it. I think that apple is frustrated that it can't build a vector based video description language without infringing on adobe's patents. I think that apple has tried unsuccessfully to engage adobe in a joint project or to buy the rights. I think microsoft has as well. This is a

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Peter Alcibiades
le's free ride on these issues is coming to an end. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2122605.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread René Micout
Without MacPaint we would have no Photoshop and Illustrator and so on ;-) Le 1 mai 2010 à 21:41, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : > Without Photoshop we would have no GIMP, > > Without Illustrator we would have no Inkscape, > > Without Microsoft Office we would have no Open Office, > > and so on.

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Ian Wood
On 1 May 2010, at 23:44, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: I have yet to hear an open source advocate talk to the evolution of technology. Depends on your definitions. One of the big new features for CS5 (content-aware fill) was already available as a plug=in for the GIMP. Ian __

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread René Micout
Le 2 mai 2010 à 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit : > It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall > arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. Very difficult for a french to understand that ! If English speaker dont speak English then "Je m'exprimerai en françai

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread René Micout
Even if I do not always understand the words of Randall, on the merits, I quite agree with what he says. Le 2 mai 2010 à 02:11, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit : > Also, adobe isn't doing any of its code "donkeys" any favors when it under > exploits the market through old world protectionist business

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread René Micout
Yes, And this is for me, now, at microscopic scale, the same thing with RunRev. The difference is that I have not enough talent to master Objective C (and English also !!) ;-) Le 2 mai 2010 à 06:49, Jerry Daniels a écrit : > Great short article that I believe accurately describes the corporate c

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 02/05/2010 11:26, Ian Wood wrote: On 1 May 2010, at 23:44, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: I have yet to hear an open source advocate talk to the evolution of technology. Depends on your definitions. One of the big new features for CS5 (content-aware fill) was already available as a plug=in f

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread René Micout
This is a good example of what Mr. Jobs called the lowest common denominator : a poor French without enough control in English, slows the debate ! Le 2 mai 2010 à 10:31, René Micout a écrit : > > Le 2 mai 2010 à 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit : > >> It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 02/05/2010 11:31, René Micout wrote: Le 2 mai 2010 à 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit : It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. Very difficult for a french to understand that ! If English speaker dont speak E

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread René Micout
Thank you, once again, Richmond, to perfect my culture. Only ONE book of Ayn Rand is translate in French and his ideas have not much (at all) prospered here. Le 2 mai 2010 à 10:57, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : > On 02/05/2010 11:31, René Micout wrote: >> Le 2 mai 2010 à 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Peter Alcibiades
rs of Ayn Rand, and anarchists with it! Well. I hope that helps you understand the English. Understanding the thought is something I cannot help you with -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2122649

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread René Micout
rchists > with it! > > Well. I hope that helps you understand the English. Understanding the > thought is something I cannot help you with > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p212264

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Pierre Sahores
The way the present worldwide civil war acts vhere the monopolistic entreprises candidates are the fighters/armies and workers/peoples the victims. Until when ?... Best Regards, Le 1 mai 2010 à 21:41, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : > Nonsense: there is nothing to choose between Apple, Microsoft

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 02/05/2010 12:37, Pierre Sahores wrote: The way the present worldwide civil war acts vhere the monopolistic entreprises candidates are the fighters/armies and workers/peoples the victims. Until when ?... As I am not a left-winger I do not see a polarisation between workers and monopolist

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Pierre Sahores
"Nous sommes bien d'accord !" Kind Regards, Pierre Le 2 mai 2010 à 11:47, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : > On 02/05/2010 12:37, Pierre Sahores wrote: >> The way the present worldwide civil war acts vhere the monopolistic >> entreprises candidates are the fighters/armies and workers/peoples the

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
I am talking revolutionary innovations, not feature creep. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
I meant "generalize and subsume" (word hinting is a killer app). -Original Message- From: René Micout Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:34 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Even if I do not always understand the words of Randa

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
utions as universal advise is crazy or macho. Lets get real. -Original Message- From: Richmond Mathewson Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:53 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 11:26, Ian Wood wrote: > > On 1 May 2010, at

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
ore of the future means we are in trouble as a species. Big trouble. -Original Message- From: Richmond Mathewson Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:57 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 11:31, René Micout wrote: > Le 2 mai

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Ian Wood
On 2 May 2010, at 11:07, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: I am talking revolutionary innovations, not feature creep. It's not clear who you're responding to here, but if it was my remark about content-aware fill then you have no idea how revolutionary some examples of feature creep can be in thei

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
or act so crotchity. Programming IS what it used to be... What a drag. -Original Message- From: Randall Lee Reetz Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:39 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Yes, and there is a tendency in silicon valley for softwar

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Kay C Lan
(I removed the poster's name from this quote because my post is not directed at the person, but the idea that we are all equal) The tribesmen also forget that they can topple their chieftains quite > easily; they wander around with their mouths > hanging open in awe of the mighty chief - forgetti

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Ian Wood
On 2 May 2010, at 11:29, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: What I am frustrated with is the continual revisionist approach to software development... that photshop seemed great 20 years ago really doesn't mean we should still be subjected to it's awkwardness today. Which is why a lot of photograp

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
Revolutionary? A supercomputer that has been trained to know where to paste a postal code? Doing alan turing proud! -Original Message- From: Ian Wood Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:57 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 2 May 2010

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Ian Wood
On 2 May 2010, at 12:06, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Revolutionary? A supercomputer that has been trained to know where to paste a postal code? Doing alan turing proud! Please explain your comment. It makes no sense. :-( Ian ___ use-revolution mail

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
it get better as we all work with it? I can't wait for typewriter 10.8! -Original Message- From: Ian Wood Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:00 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 2 May 2010, at 11:29, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > W

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Ian Wood
On 2 May 2010, at 12:16, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Are you kidding? No. These are revisionist applications exactly as I have noted. Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. The only revolution in photo programs in the last 20 years is face recognition. Why is facial recognit

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Richmond Mathewson
(2 can play at that one) (I removed the poster's name from this quote because my post is not directed at the person, but the idea that we are all equal) No; of course we are not all equal. BUT we are all dependent on other people; no man is an island. Therefore the image of workers being e

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 02/05/2010 14:12, Ian Wood wrote: On 2 May 2010, at 12:06, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Revolutionary? A supercomputer that has been trained to know where to paste a postal code? Doing alan turing proud! Please explain your comment. It makes no sense. :-( His rarely do. I tend to wibbl

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 02/05/2010 14:16, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: These are revisionist applications exactly as I have noted. The funny thing is that when I hear/see the word 'revisionist' it makes me think of Marxist critiques of Trotskyism and Holocaust deniers; neither of these meanings seem to line up with

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Jerry Daniels
Equally difficult for this English-speaking American to understand. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 2, 2010, at 3:31 AM, René Micout wrote: > > Le 2 mai 2010 à 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit : > >

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Jerry Daniels
There is, however, a back door to THE PLATFORM. I think I have found a way, but I need to test it. If it has merit I will commercialize it. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 2, 2010, at 3:43 AM, René Mic

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread jonathandlynch
Wow. My feelings exactly. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Richmond Mathewson Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 11:57:31 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 11:31, René Micout wrote: > Le 2 mai 201

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Lynn Fredricks
> > What I am frustrated with is the continual revisionist approach to > > software development... that photshop seemed great 20 years > ago really > > doesn't mean we should still be subjected to it's awkwardness today. > > Which is why a lot of photographers now use LightRoom, > Aperture or

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Thomas McGrath III
I don't want a chieftain but I like being a tribesman. The RunRev Tribe On May 2, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 02/05/2010 12:37, Pierre Sahores wrote: >> The way the present worldwide civil war acts vhere the monopolistic >> entreprises candidates are the fighters/armies

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
a picture? Maybe you would like to say something rude about my parents or where I live? Would that help shore up your arguments? Please. -Original Message- From: Richmond Mathewson Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 5:06 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 02/05/2010 18:11, Thomas McGrath III wrote: I don't want a chieftain but I like being a tribesman. The RunRev Tribe Well then; isn't it time we heard something from the chief? On May 2, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 02/05/2010 12:37, Pierre Sahores wrote: The way

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Chipp Walters
LOL, I don't spend much time on this list anymore. The only reason I'm even reading this thread is I, too, out of the blue, received off-list messages regarding your incite full posts. And, I feel humbled in the presence of the only visionary thinker in the world with regard to software. I'm with

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Chipp Walters
And regarding the obvious and impending from Jacque-- Yes, of course it's an innie. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.run

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
2, 2010 9:36 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue LOL, I don't spend much time on this list anymore. The only reason I'm even reading this thread is I, too, out of the blue, received off-list messages regarding your incite full post

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 02/05/2010 20:07, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Adobe didn't conceive postscript, photshop, illustrator, flash, etc. Mathematica isn't derivative. Wolfram (for all I rail on his philosophy) is one of the last remaining computer scientists. I think there is something about the act of writing s

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Colin Holgate
On May 2, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > About 3 hours ago my wife and I went for a walk in a park here in Plovdiv; > from the hill in the centre of > the park I could see 3 shopping malls under construction: I groaned. My wife > then pointed out that if > that was what the major

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread J. Landman Gay
Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Are you kidding? These are revisionist applications exactly as I have noted. The only revolution in photo programs in the last 20 years is face recognition. But what has been done with it? Almost nothing. Is it available to rev programmers? Can it be generalized to

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
vector based content protocol the french and canadian web used? Its not like macromedia invented flash or its concept. -Original Message- From: Randall Lee Reetz Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:07 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Adobe

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
o use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 20:07, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Adobe didn't conceive postscript, photshop, illustrator, flash, etc. > Mathematica isn't derivative. Wolfram (for all I rail on his philosophy) is > o

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
Yes, and what of vampires and the day we run out of batteries! The end is coming! -Original Message- From: J. Landman Gay Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:41 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Are you kidd

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
son Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:35 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 20:07, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Adobe didn't conceive postscript, photshop, illustrator, flash, etc. > Mathematica isn't derivative. Wolf

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread J. Landman Gay
Chipp Walters wrote: And regarding the obvious and impending from Jacque-- Yes, of course it's an innie. LOL! I wouldn't presume to ask. :) On the other hand, we only have your word for it... -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software |

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread David C.
>The only reason I'm even reading this thread is I, too, out of > the blue, received off-list messages regarding your incite full > posts. And, I feel humbled in the presence of the only > visionary thinker in the world with regard to software. I typically avoid participation in threads like this,

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
t? A substantive rebuttal? Putting your ideas out there for all to see? -Original Message- From: David C. Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 11:15 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue >The only reason I'm even reading this thread is I, too, out

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Richmond Mathewson
have achieved? So, how about some content? A substantive rebuttal? Putting your ideas out there for all to see? -Original Message- From: David C. Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 11:15 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue The only reason I&#

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
How about my blog: http://www.complexitymetric.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Richmond Mathewson Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:17 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 22:13, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Perso

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Ian Wood
On 2 May 2010, at 20:13, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: So, how about some content? A substantive rebuttal? Putting your ideas out there for all to see? How about replying to direct questions asked of you, for instance why facial recognition is revolutionary but content-aware fill isn't? Or

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread David C.
> Personal attacks again? Well, it really wasn't intended as a personal attack exactly... I don't even know ya and really don't care about the subject matter. It was more of a poorly judged stab at some off the wall humor. Regards, David C. ___ use-rev

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
Driving right now so will answer your questions as soon as I am out of my car. -Original Message- From: Ian Wood Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:32 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 2 May 2010, at 20:13, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: >

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
Right, I believe you... -Original Message- From: David C. Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:39 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > Personal attacks again? Well, it really wasn't intended as a personal attack exactly... I don't

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 02/05/2010 22:39, David C. wrote: Personal attacks again? Well, it really wasn't intended as a personal attack exactly... I don't even know ya and really don't care about the subject matter. It was more of a poorly judged stab at some off the wall humor. I have a funny feeling that some

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 02/05/2010 22:40, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Driving right now so will answer your questions as soon as I am out of my car. That sounds fairly dangerous: answering e-mails while driving. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.c

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
And what is the disagreement? Is it making fun of an abandoned web site? -Original Message- From: Richmond Mathewson Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:48 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 22:39, David C. wrote: >> Pe

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Reetz
Is this the topic? Really? All you can come up with? Nasty childish nitpicking? Yes emailing is dangerous while driving. I wrote that note at a gas station while filling my tank. Now at cafe and ready to respond to substantive questions and comments. On May 2, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Richmond

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Reetz
>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 11:15 AM >> To: How to use Revolution >> Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue >> >>> The only reason I'm even reading this thread is I, too, out of >>> the blue, received off-list messages regarding your in

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Reetz
How about my blog: "http:www.complexitymetric.blogspot.com". I certainly don't shy away from making authentic statements and asking the big questions. All of my work is standard model compliant and in agreement with all known laws of physics. If you want to argue with me you will need to show

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Ian Wood
On 2 May 2010, at 21:24, Randall Reetz wrote: Now at cafe and ready to respond to substantive questions and comments. So what's stopping you? Why not start with explaining why facial recognition is the only revolution in photo programs in two decades? Ian

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Chipp Walters
COMPLEXITY EXISTS ONLY TO INCREASES DISORDER. EVOLUTION IS THE REFINEMENT OF A FITNESS METRIC. IT IS THE PROCESS OF REFINING A CRITERIA FOR THE MEASUREMENT OF THE CAPACITY OF A SYSTEM TO MAXIMIZE ITS FUTURE POTENTIAL TO HOLD COMPLEXITY. THIS METRIC BECOMES EVER MORE SOPHISTICATED, AND CAN NEVER BE

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Roger . E . Eller
Randall Reetz' robust ego wrote: > Is this the topic? Really? All you can come up with? Nasty > childish nitpicking? Yes emailing is dangerous while driving. > I wrote that note at a gas station while filling my tank. Now > at cafe and ready to respond to substantive questions and comments. >

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Reetz
OK, Ian, I promised I would respond and here goes. Sorry I didn't before, I had assumed your questions were rhetorical. When I say that software hasn't changed I mean to say that it hasn't jumped qualitative categories. We are still living in a world where computing exists as pre-written and

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Michael Kann
Randall, Take it up with this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Lenat He's spent thirty-five years thinking about the same issues. --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Randall Reetz wrote: > From: Randall Reetz > Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > To: "Ho

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Peter Haworth
I'm not sure what the etiquette of this board is or if there's a moderator, but surely this thing has wandered far off anything remotely to do with Revolution and taken up way too much space. Can we get back to Revolution related topics? Pete Haworth __

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
ubject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Randall, Take it up with this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Lenat He's spent thirty-five years thinking about the same issues. --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Randall Reetz wrote: > From: Randall Reetz > Subject: Re: Apples actual

RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

2010-05-02 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
. -Original Message- From: Peter Haworth Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:28 PM To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue I'm not sure what the etiquette of this board is or if there's a moderator, but surely this thing has wander

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