>> And the thing that really makes this difficult is the fact that the text
>> needs to be directly editable by users (cannot be in a locked field).
>>
>> Any suggestions on how I might tackle this?
>
> Can it be restricted to only editing one bullet at a time, or does the user
> need the ability
Knowing nothing about CSS or HTML, I was able to get a text field to respond to
a basic CSS definition. However, it doesn't seem to pay any attention to the
margins and indents. Feature request anyone?
Bob
On Nov 9, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Hi List:
>
> Was hoping someone here
On 9 Nov 2010, at 18:39, Scott Rossi wrote:
>
> I've been asked to implement two levels
> bulleting/indenting, something like the following (hope it comes across):
>
> • Main Bullet Item 1 that spans
> multiple lines
> • Main Bullet Item 2
> - Secondary Bullet 1
> - Secondary Bullet 2 w
Sorry missed this part. Not sure if CSS supports hanging indents, which is I
think what you are shooting for.
Bob
On Nov 9, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> I can accomplish the first level bullet/indenting using a combination of
> margins and firstIndent, but I can't figure out a way
The firstIndent property of the field can be set to a negative number,
but that would only take care of one level of indenting.
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> And the thing that really makes this difficult is the fact that the text
> needs to be directly editable by users (cannot be in a locked field).
>
> Any suggestions on how I might tackle this?
Can it be restricted to only editing one bullet at a time, or does the user
need the ability to click
Hi Scott.
Unless you can find a way to embed a Microsoft object into a Revolution stack
(never mind a standalone) I don't think there is a way to do this. Unless CSS
is supported in HTMLText, I don't see how you can get any kind of special
formatting to work in a native LiveCode field. Now if
I haven't thought this through, but .
there are only 3 (or maybe 4) different indent cases.
create a suitable image for each case (i.e. normal, bulletted, 2nd
level, continuation, etc.) which is blank space of the appropriate
number of pixels wide
then insert an extra character at the start
Hi List:
Was hoping someone here might have some uncanny insight into how to solve a
text formatting dilemma...
Basic problem: I need to create two levels on indenting in a block of text,
but the text needs to always be directly editable and may span multiple
lines.
About a month or so back I me
On 15/01/2010 00:16, Bob Sneidar wrote:
That may be preferable, as a big queer might take offense and do some real
damage.
I apologize in advance. It just had to be said.
Bob
On Jan 13, 2010, at 2:41 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
Queer (Peculiar); as in "I'm feeling a little queer."
I believe the message was encoded using the following compression
algorithm:
function compressMessage tText
if (tText = "secret message") then return empty
else if (tText is empty) then return "secret message"
else return tText
end compressMessage
Therefore, the answer is "secret message",
reativity of the group!
>
> Now that I am famous for my minimalist approach, here is the lengthy email I
> *meant* to send:
>
> Hello all, I have an interesting challenge:
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That may be preferable, as a big queer might take offense and do some real
damage.
I apologize in advance. It just had to be said.
Bob
On Jan 13, 2010, at 2:41 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Queer (Peculiar); as in "I'm feeling a little queer."
That's because for the French, talking is much like exploring is for the
pioneer. It's the process, not the goal that is the most rewarding. (I'm half
French, so I get to say that.)
Bob
On Jan 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:
> French is apparently always more "wordy" than English.
OK Here goes my theory. He had just joined the lists, was getting ready to
enter his first email, when the doorbell rang. He got up to answer the door,
kneed the desk where his coffee was sitting right next to his keyboard, went to
catch it, startled the cat who ran across his keyboard and just
On 14/01/10 2:57 PM, "Derek" wrote:
I think we're running into problems with indents so hopefully this remains
readable...
>> There was some discussion over the last couple of days about the potential
>> evils of Flash shared objects but I guess you could use them to your
>> advantage in this ca
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A challenge within a challenge.
Terry...
On 14/01/10 1:41 PM, "Derek" wrote:
>
>
>
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>
>> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>
>>>> It's easy for PHP code in the landing download page to get the
>>>> informa
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It's easy for PHP code in the landing download page to get the
information
that "Bob sent them" with a $GET. But how on earth will the Revolution
standalone know about Bob?
One thought: PHP gets the info and sends it to the download server via a
POST action to a CGI on
Derek wrote:
I am very sorry, apparently this list does not like HTML emails, so I now see
my first email was blank! Glad to see that it nevertheless sparked the
creativity of the group!
Well, I for one am sorry you've disrupted our fun. Hmph. :)
I have a standalone that a user downloads by c
On 14/01/10 10:51 AM, "Derek" wrote:
>
> 4. a secret text file gets generated and downloaded to the drive along with
> the standalone, the standalone finds it, reads it and deletes it? (no, the
> user might be confused and delete it before they launch the standalone)
There was some discussion ov
show us the way.
--- On Wed, 1/13/10, Derek wrote:
> From: Derek
> Subject: Re: an interesting challenge
> To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 5:51 PM
>
> I am very sorry, apparently this list does not like HTML
> emails, so I now see
>
interesting challenge:
I have a standalone that a user downloads by clicking a button on a download
web page. My conundrum is, I would like the standalone to know from what
website the user originated when they clicked a link to jump to the download
page.
For example, let's say http://bob.com has a
Peter Brigham MD wrote:
I'm still stuck on the original challenge
My mind keeps coming up blank.
Must mean it's a meditational challenge then. If so, you're doing fine.
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I'm still stuck on the original challenge
My mind keeps coming up blank.
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On Jan 13, 2010, at 7:12 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:
Le 13 janv. 10 à 12:06, Richmond Mathewson a écrit :
On 13/01/2010 12:57,
Le 13 janv. 10 à 12:06, Richmond Mathewson a écrit :
On 13/01/2010 12:57, René Micout wrote:
I propose (it is not easy) :
"Entre vos mots et les miens, il y a la barrière du langage"
Is it the real sense !? It is not easy to translate word by word...
Français (ou francophones) d'autres proposi
Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Entre vos miens, mes miens et des mots, il y a une barriére du sens.
il y a souvent les faux-amis ;-) [false friends]
qui perfusent en français (comme pathetic = lamentable)
à l'inverse (sur une photo de chat) someone said it was "putty-putty*"
et mon dictionnaire**
Bon appétit !
Le 13 janv. 2010 à 12:06, Richmond Mathewson a écrit :
> Et, c'est sure a ce moment ici nous avons une salade des miens . . . :)
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On 13/01/2010 12:57, René Micout wrote:
I propose (it is not easy) :
"Entre vos mots et les miens, il y a la barrière du langage"
Is it the real sense !? It is not easy to translate word by word...
Français (ou francophones) d'autres propositions ?
Le 13 janv. 2010 à 11:41, Richmond Mathewson a
I propose (it is not easy) :
"Entre vos mots et les miens, il y a la barrière du langage"
Is it the real sense !? It is not easy to translate word by word...
Français (ou francophones) d'autres propositions ?
Le 13 janv. 2010 à 11:41, Richmond Mathewson a écrit :
> entre vos mots et mes mots nous
Eric was my neighbor (his office was at 780 meters [Google Earth] of my home)
and yet we had never met...
I was a big "fan" since the publication of his book/CD "Tout sur Hypercard". We
exchanged by mail, often in french (especially about "Guides Picker" that I use
everyday...), but in english o
Hello Jim,
I agree, but...
Here (Wikipedia) it is not only syntaxic explanation but content... ;-
)
René
PS : "Je vais faire des phrases !" Gustave Flaubert...
On the anniversary of his passing, I will tell a funny story.
In all the years of our association, Eric and I always spoke an
> Hello Jim,
> I agree, but...
> Here (Wikipedia) it is not only syntaxic explanation but content... ;-
> )
> René
>
> PS : "Je vais faire des phrases !" Gustave Flaubert...
On the anniversary of his passing, I will tell a funny story.
In all the years of our association, Eric and I always s
Hello Jim,
I agree, but...
Here (Wikipedia) it is not only syntaxic explanation but content... ;-)
René
PS : "Je vais faire des phrases !" Gustave Flaubert...
Le 13 janv. 2010 à 08:36, Jim Bufalini a écrit :
> René Micout wrote:
>
>> Apparently (on Wikipedia) the french(s) have more to say abo
René Micout wrote:
> Apparently (on Wikipedia) the french(s) have more to say about the
> sentence than the english(s) :-)
> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrase
French is apparently always more "wordy" than English. ;-) When I worked
with Eric, he would struggle to fit into the same "space" in F
t;
> and they replied:
>
> "!"
>
> which seems about as minimal as one can get.
>
> A completely empty message is not a challenge, or anything
> else for that matter.
>
> Now, the thing that worries me is whether "?" constitutes a
> sentence as it is ver
n get.
>
> A completely empty message is not a challenge, or anything
> else for that matter.
>
> Now, the thing that worries me is whether "?" constitutes a
> sentence as it is verbless.
>
>> We have a Pho house here in San Francisco that
Recently, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Victor Hugo once sent a message to his publishers:
>
> "?"
>
> and they replied:
>
> "!"
>
> which seems about as minimal as one can get.
.
Regards,
Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design
Victor Hugo once sent a message to his publishers:
"?"
and they replied:
"!"
which seems about as minimal as one can get.
A completely empty message is not a challenge, or anything
else for that matter.
Now, the thing that worries me is whether "?" constitute
In front of my house, here in Paris, I have the same !
René
Le 13 janv. 2010 à 07:24, stephen barncard a écrit :
> We have a Pho house here in San Francisco that offers the "Pho Challenge"; a
> gigantic bowl of wonderful Vietnamese chicken soup.
>
> --
We have a Pho house here in San Francisco that offers the "Pho Challenge"; a
gigantic bowl of wonderful Vietnamese chicken soup.
-
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San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
2010/1/12 Scott Rossi
> I think we're expected
I think we're expected to figure out the challenge. That's tough.
:-)
Regards,
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Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design
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Ha! Timing is everything!
I am doing an extreme makeover here on my most used application! I will let
you know more as I finish it.
Cheers
andre
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Richard Gaskin
wrote:
> Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>> Richard,
>> can you show us a shot of your welcome screen? I like scre
Andre Garzia wrote:
Richard,
can you show us a shot of your welcome screen? I like screen shots...
Personally I don't like the ones in my shipping products, and the good
ones are in either alpha or beta and can't be shown publicly for a few
more weeks.
I'll drop you an email offline so you
I like that texture! and the graphics are really cool!
way to go Richmond!
:D
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Richmond Mathewson <
richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>> Richard,
>> can you show us a shot of your welcome screen? I like screen shots...
>>
>>
> I don't kno
Andre Garzia wrote:
Richard,
can you show us a shot of your welcome screen? I like screen shots...
I don't know about Richard's welcome screens: here's one of mine:
http://mathewson.110mb.com/welcome.html
cheers
andre
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Richard Gaskin
wrote:
Richmond wrote
Richard,
can you show us a shot of your welcome screen? I like screen shots...
cheers
andre
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Richard Gaskin
wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.ovomaltineforever.com.br/
Cripes, I am getting cheese
Richmond wrote:
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Richmond wrote:
http://www.ovomaltineforever.com.br/
Cripes, I am getting cheesed-off with the
ubiquitous Flash.
I don't mind Flash, but splash pages went out with 2002 and that one
runs wy too long even by 20th century standards.
Jared Spool of
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Richmond wrote:
http://www.ovomaltineforever.com.br/
Cripes, I am getting cheesed-off with the
ubiquitous Flash.
I don't mind Flash, but splash pages went out with 2002 and that one
runs wy too long even by 20th century standards.
Jared Spool of UIE offers a simp
When I encounter a splash screen on a web site, typically the first
thing that I do is search for the "Skip Intro" link, usually at the
bottom of the page.
However, I think that the original post referred to the feasibility of
designing an equivalent "presentation" using Rev.
Kurt
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Richmond wrote:
http://www.ovomaltineforever.com.br/
Cripes, I am getting cheesed-off with the
ubiquitous Flash.
I don't mind Flash, but splash pages went out with 2002 and that one
runs wy too long even by 20th century standards.
Jared Spool of UIE offers a simp
Richmond wrote:
http://www.ovomaltineforever.com.br/
Cripes, I am getting cheesed-off with the
ubiquitous Flash.
I don't mind Flash, but splash pages went out with 2002 and that one
runs wy too long even by 20th century standards.
Jared Spool of UIE offers a simple recipe for evaluatin
Oh boy, I do love the product but the web site is dead horrible!
Argh!!! And they get good money for that kind of crap here...
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Richmond Mathewson <
richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.ovomaltineforever.com.br/
>
> Cripes, I am getting cheesed-off wit
I used to produce a load of these things for brands back in my agency days -
got thoroughly sick of the gimmickry. Much more interesting now that it is
about community building - but Flashverts like those remind me of what not
to do ever again :)
2009/9/30 Richmond Mathewson
> http://www.ovomalt
http://www.ovomaltineforever.com.br/
Cripes, I am getting cheesed-off with the
ubiquitous Flash.
We can all practise our Portugese as we
go along (well, Andre may not need to) . . . :)
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Le 24 sept. 09 à 19:36, Colin Holgate a écrit :
On Sep 24, 2009, at 1:19 PM, François Chaplais wrote:
My second son (age 18) is a student in graphic communication. He
is NOT a programmer. He is naturally aware of Flash and I have
bought some books about Flash and ActionScript. The result
ely interactive, but well indexed, and a paid level with a revlet, a
high level of interaction and more subtle interface. What are your thoughts?
Food for thoughts,
Robert
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Colin Holgate wrote:
Ian, Flash text fields can be set to allow selecting and copying,
swfs can be published in a search engine friendly way, and it's
possible to "deep link" into any part of a Flash application, if
that's important to do.
The lack of those things in
On Sep 24, 2009, at 1:19 PM, François Chaplais wrote:
My second son (age 18) is a student in graphic communication. He is
NOT a programmer. He is naturally aware of Flash and I have bought
some books about Flash and ActionScript. The result is that he just
cannot get it. It is too complica
Le 24 sept. 09 à 19:00, Richard Gaskin a écrit :
Colin Holgate wrote:
Ian, Flash text fields can be set to allow selecting and copying,
swfs can be published in a search engine friendly way, and it's
possible to "deep link" into any part of a Flash application, if
that's important to d
Colin Holgate wrote:
Ian, Flash text fields can be set to allow selecting and copying, swfs
can be published in a search engine friendly way, and it's possible to
"deep link" into any part of a Flash application, if that's important
to do.
The lack of those things in a site isn't a consequ
On 24 Sep 2009, at 14:03, Colin Holgate wrote:
Ian, Flash text fields can be set to allow selecting and copying,
swfs can be published in a search engine friendly way, and it's
possible to "deep link" into any part of a Flash application, if
that's important to do.
The lack of those thin
Ian, Flash text fields can be set to allow selecting and copying, swfs
can be published in a search engine friendly way, and it's possible to
"deep link" into any part of a Flash application, if that's important
to do.
The lack of those things in a site isn't a consequence of it being
don
Which bit? The one where the ENTIRE site is inside a plugin making it
effectively invisible to Google and other search engines, impossible
to give anyone a URL leading to a specific part of the site, no way to
change the size of the text or select text to copy it? I always groan
when openin
http://www.hybridworks.jp/
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On Mon Aug, 2009, dfepstein at comcast.net dfepstein at comcast.net wrote:
It appears that Rev defines the rect of a regular polygon to be the
rectangle that encloses all possible rotations of that polygon.
This seems like a useful enough feature that I wouldn't call it a bug.
David Epstein
It appears that Rev defines the rect of a regular polygon to be the rectangle
that encloses all possible rotations of that polygon. To see this, create a
regular polygon as graphic 1, create a rectangle as graphic 2, in the message
box "set the rect of grc 1 to the rect of grc 2," and then set
On Sat Aug 15, 2009, capellan capellan2000 at yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Wilhelm,
(snip)
Some time ago, i posted a stack named "export_regular_polygons"
than shows a formula to convert regular polygons (3 to 20 sides)
in polygons:
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/export_regular_polygons.zip
Wil
of Revolution (or Transcript, RevTalk etc.) to abolish the
> inconsistency of regular polygons of having different sizes for visual
> rects and their proper rects as a graphic.
>
i agree. if you fill an enhancement request in the Runrev Quality
Control Center, i will vote for it.
Have
In the meantime I managed to have a look at the two stacks Scott and
Capellan offered in this context.
Capellan had written:
Hi Wilhelm,
Take a look at the script of this stack,
to check if some code is useful:
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/mask_bitmap02.zip
This version included th
d - to "crop" a
> regular graphic to the size of its visual rect?
>
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Recently, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
> So again, does anybody know a way - or a workaround - to "crop" a
> regular graphic to the size of its visual rect?
AFAIK, you can't physically crop a regular polygon. So I'd ask, why do you
need to do this and is there another solution that would work for you?
On Fri Aug 14, 2009, Scott Rossi scott at tactilemedia.com wrote:
Recently, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
> Triangles, pentagons, and hexagons (three-, five-, and six-sided
> polygons) have rects that are different from their visual rects, i.e.
> their opaque areas when the fillcolor is set to true.
>
>
Recently, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
> Triangles, pentagons, and hexagons (three-, five-, and six-sided
> polygons) have rects that are different from their visual rects, i.e.
> their opaque areas when the fillcolor is set to true.
>
> As an example, a hexagon with a height of 200 possesses a "visual"
Triangles, pentagons, and hexagons (three-, five-, and six-sided
polygons) have rects that are different from their visual rects, i.e.
their opaque areas when the fillcolor is set to true.
As an example, a hexagon with a height of 200 possesses a "visual"
height of only 172.
A snapshot taken
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Malte,
Here is a quick example of what binary search can do. It's a bit of
work to maintain the sorted data, but the speed is impressive if you
have very large data. If you are not familiar with binary search
(forgive me if you are), it is very intuitive -- it searches like you
might sear
Thank you all.
I ended up creating a new array anduse repeat for each key.
Brian, I would be very much interested in the binary method on sorted
data.
Cheers,
Malte
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Malte,
Beyond the ideas already presented, the only thing I can think of -
and this would be a bit of work - is that if there are particular
fields you know you will want to filter on, you could maintain a
*sorted* copy of dgdata. For example, if you had a copy of dgdata
sorted by name, y
Malte-
Here's my attempt. Putting the results into a variable instead of an
array element seems to shave about 25% off the total run time. I'm
assuming you want the results here rather than just a count - doing a
total count is quite a bit faster than accumulating the actual hits.
on mouseUp
Andre-
Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 8:34:36 AM, you wrote:
> I don't know if there would be any improvement in what I am telling you but
> what if you combined the array, filtered the lines and split up again?
I thought so too, but the combine operator seems to be pretty slow. In
addition, I could
Malte, using your original handler I was getting an approx time of
22ms. Creating a new array instead of deleting the variable (see
below) gives me an approx time of 7ms.
Will that work for you? It's very significantly faster.
Powerbook G4 PPC 1.67ghz
Bernard
on mouseUp
local testarray,tp
Malte,
On my machine, your original code took between 28 and 31 milisecs,
this code here:
on mouseUp
local testarray,tprocess,test
repeat with i=1 to 3
put any item of "meier,müller,john,doe" into testarray[i]["name"]
end repeat
answer the number of lines of the keys of testa
Malte,
I don't know if there would be any improvement in what I am telling you but
what if you combined the array, filtered the lines and split up again?
Andre
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Malte Brill wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I just try to implement a life search on a datagrid. I was doing this
On Aug 5, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Malte Brill wrote:
Also I´d like the runtime on your machines, especially Macs pre
Intel era.
17" PB PPC G4 2 GB Ram mac os version: 10.5.7
84 ms
sims
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Hey all,
I just try to implement a life search on a datagrid. I was doing this
with the dgtext property. However this turns out to be too slow on
elder machines if there are many records (30k +) Now I am trying to
instead of setting the dgtext, to work with the dgdata. This could
speed up
The goal of this challenge is to make this animation as smooth and
"Bubble Like" as possible.
I have taken it as far as I can, and I would love to see what the "How
to use" crowd can do with it.
The original stack for this is at Download the source: Bubbles.rev
I think
On Jun 25, 2009, at 3:31 AM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com
wrote:
There will some sort of "do as JavaScript", but I cannot guarantee
that it
will make it into the first version (4.0) at this point.
I agree with others that the plugin should, at some point soon, be
able to co
Kevin Miller wrote:
On 24/06/2009 21:01, "David Bovill" wrote:
2. Will the revBrowser built-ins work - so we can have embedded web pages
inside the plugin - assumpiton = "No!"
No. I should have remembered this one when asked if anything would not work
in the plugin during the w
Thanks Kevin, good to know XML is there, and hope you can look at
prioritizing this 2-way JavaScript communication between web page and
plugin.
The reason for this is that the world of the web-app has already moved a
long way in terms of AJAX and Flash widgets living together and talking to
web se
On Jun 25, 2009, at 4:55 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:
On 24/06/2009 21:01, "David Bovill" wrote:
3. Will there be JavaScript API to allow the web page to interact
with
the plugin = ie as you can with the QuickTime plugin - assumption
= "No!"
Not in 4.0 anyway.
Will there be any way to g
On 24/06/2009 21:01, "David Bovill" wrote:
> Bill, I'm "dying" to get an answer to the questions I've asked - I asked
> them several times now, in all the right places I believe :) Answers to
> these questions would really help with meetings next week. If you have any
> quick answers - would be g
Bill, I'm "dying" to get an answer to the questions I've asked - I asked
them several times now, in all the right places I believe :) Answers to
these questions would really help with meetings next week. If you have any
quick answers - would be great:
1. Will the XML built ins work in the plugi
On Jun 24, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:
Yes it's final. The R's actually look better this way than if they
were
identically shaped.
Those crazy designers, what do they know! I hope you at least liked my
version a little bit.
___
us
Colin,
You asked, "Is the logo final? It's mildly troubling that the two Rs are
different to each other. Also, is the U an exact vertical flip of the N, and
a horizontal flip of the V? That would be neat."
Yes it's final. The R's actually look better this way than if they were
identically sha
I agree. I don't envisage the answer to the question I asked
affecting me, but I would hate to see RunRev make a mistake in not
anticipating the problem it addressed.
At the very least it is important to set people's expectations
appropriately. Turning the questions and answers into a FAQ would
There were so many questions in the webinar that Bill only managed to
cover a small percentage of them. Would it be possible to take the
time to go through the other questions, and answer those too? My three
questions happened to be amongst the ones that were past over, and
there's no hurry
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