Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-10 Thread Scott Kane
From: "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You're welcome to do it at revJournal.com if you like. I can set up your own FTP account and you can do whatever you like in that section. Replied off list Scott Kane ___ use-revolution mailing list use

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread Richard Gaskin
Scott Kane wrote: Even though I read the list religiously and have lots of bookmarks to various Rev sites, it is still hard to remember whose site has what and even whether anyone has written a library or plugin for what I need. RevOnline doesn't offer a good search mechanism, so I'm not sure w

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread Scott Kane
From: "J. Landman Gay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would love to see this happen. Preferably, the site would be at a common, public repository (SourceForge, maybe?) so that even non-Rev people would perhaps stumble across it. This would not only give us a single place to find everything, but possibl

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread J. Landman Gay
David Bovill wrote: On 09/06/07, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Could I convince you to take your current energy and apply it to something like this? No problem! But I am not going to do this manually - cut and paste style - so it needs to be integrated into the IDE - with a Rev

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread David Bovill
On 09/06/07, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Could I convince you to take your current energy and apply it to something like this? No problem! But I am not going to do this manually - cut and paste style - so it needs to be integrated into the IDE - with a Rev based plugin - so tha

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread David Bovill
OK - I'll make a start tonight. With regard to SourceForge it is not possible to link their repositories directly into the Script Editor but now that they have SVN - I can mirror code to SourceForge easily. Does anyone have a preference for an initial library - something to start with. My vote wo

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread J. Landman Gay
David Bovill wrote: OK - lets give it a try. The web site is up, but I figure it is of little use until it is integrated into the script editor which is partly done... I'll work on that now. I guess a question is which library to get up first - I'll dig up the list of existing libraries and se

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread Mark Smith
I'd certainly add my bits and pieces to such a repository Best, Mark On 9 Jun 2007, at 19:25, J. Landman Gay wrote: Scott Kane wrote: A large repository detailing various code snippets and stacks would be very happy - especially to newer users initially - and in time helpful to others

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread J. Landman Gay
Scott Kane wrote: A large repository detailing various code snippets and stacks would be very happy - especially to newer users initially - and in time helpful to others. Finding all the cool sites with code is no mean feat when starting out. While this is one of the best programming lists I k

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread David Bovill
Ken - I talked to Hugh about doing this work before going off to the states. I am back now, and quite happy to mirror "Scripter's Scrapbook" to the web backend I've got up - if Hugh is still up for that. On 09/06/07, Ken Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, there is an online code repository ac

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread Ken Ray
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 01:17:41 +1000, Scott Kane wrote: > To: > >> Aren't there quite a number of open-source repositries around? What >> about Hugh Senior's "Scripter's Scrapbook" and the many sample >> stacks available from the sites of Rev and Metacard users or on >> RevOnLine? > > Perhaps

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread Scott Kane
From: "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Provided of course the license for such code allowed them to use it. With literally hundreds of FOSS licenses floating around and new ones being written each week, and considering few if any of these have been tested in court to they are in the end l

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread Richard Gaskin
Scott Kane wrote: Ah - but that's quite another thing. A repositry of code as opposed to Rev being open source. I think a lot of people would be quite happy to visit a repositry of code (and use the code). Provided of course the license for such code allowed them to use it. With literally h

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread Scott Kane
To: Aren't there quite a number of open-source repositries around? What about Hugh Senior's "Scripter's Scrapbook" and the many sample stacks available from the sites of Rev and Metacard users or on RevOnLine? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Guess it depends on one's perspective. I find RevOnline

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread Wilhelm Sanke
On Sat Jun 9 09:15:49 CDT 2007, Scott Kane scott at cdroo.com Ah - but that's quite another thing. A repositry of code as opposed to Rev being open source. I think a lot of people would be quite happy to visit a repositry of code (and use the code). Scott Kane Aren't there quite a numb

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread Scott Kane
From: "David Bovill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That is not what I tried to say - my assumption is the opposite. That there are not enough people interested in a shared open source repository to make the effort worth while - that is I assume that the silent majority disagree with my view on the bene

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread Scott Kane
From: "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wow! That guy's the definition of prolific. Wonder when he sleeps? Real programmers don't need sleep. You know that, Chipp! Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please vis

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread David Bovill
? On 09/06/07, Scott Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A "subset of the list". No offence intended, David. But why is it that when people get really passionate about their favourite wheel barrow that they are pushing that they so often seem to assume that the "silent majority" agree with them

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-08 Thread Chipp Walters
On 6/8/07, Scott Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: www.torry.net Here's a summary of what the site holds in terms of source code, products etc: Authors total: 4179 Products total: 8703 Files total: 10330 Wow! That guy's the definition of prolific. Wonder when he sleeps? __

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-08 Thread Scott Kane
Authors total: 4179 Products total: 8703 Files total: 10330 I hit send to quickly. I meant to add - imagine that on a per-capita scale for Rev. I can, frankly. I'd like to see it happen. Free source snippets, commercial (for sale) source snippets, libraries etc et al. Would Rev users p

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-08 Thread Scott Kane
From: "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I remember it well as I had spent a bunch of time creating it, only to end up killing it based upon your loud objections of being there first. I expected great things from your subsequent offering-- which never came ('in 2 weeks' was what you said). M

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-08 Thread Chipp Walters
On 6/8/07, David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ah - way back. though I dont remember anything about RROpenSource. Actually I did set up a project on SourceForge, I remember it well as I had spent a bunch of time creating it, only to end up killing it based upon your loud objections of be

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-08 Thread Scott Kane
From: "David Bovill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Maybe that was a mistake, and all it ever takes it pig headed stubborness and following through - but without encouraging signs from RunRev itself or a subset of the list - well maybe its not such a good idea after all? A "subset of the list". No off

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-08 Thread David Bovill
On 08/06/07, Chipp Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/8/07, David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In 2002, I built an website titled "RROpenSource" which had the ability for users to contribute Open Source RR projects online. Ready to launch, I disclosed it only to a few, I believe you i

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-08 Thread Chipp Walters
On 6/8/07, David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There are reasons that there are very very few robust developer contributed libraries in our community while there are good ones in python and ruby, and OK ones in php. This can and should change, and a carefully planned open source strategy wou

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-08 Thread David Bovill
On 08/06/07, Andre Garzia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Good OSS is here to solve a problem. Usually a problem that is not being solved by the mainstream players. The good ones are also managed like a "enterprise", so again, what is the problem that an OSS RunRev would solve? I see nothing wrong ri

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-08 Thread Andre Garzia
I don't believe that SF and Freshmeat numbers can really be trusted. They measure activity based on interaction with their site using some math. Most OSS software also have their own page with mirrors and the like, this traffic and interaction is not measured by SF or Freshmeat. I think that the

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-08 Thread David Bovill
Wow! Thaks for the post Chipp - always good to have some hard facts. 2000 out of *150,114* projects - really is that all? That makes 2/150 - or less that 1% of projects! I would have guessed it as more like 20% How many non-open source software projects end up in the scrap heap - more of less t

Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-08 Thread Peter Alcibiades
Chipp rightly points out that there are very many open source projects which are started, and then wither. He points to the 2,000 or so low activity projects on SourceForge. He could also point to a high proportion of the distributions on DistroWatch. On the other hand, in programming envi

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-07 Thread Scott Kane
A quick search at sourceforge shows close to 2000 projects with less than 10% activity. So, it appears at least a healthy part of Open Source projects may end up exactly as Paul is suggesting. Or an "unhealthy" part ;-) Scott ___ use-revolu

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-07 Thread Chipp Walters
On 6/7/07, Peter Alcibiades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The world is just not the way you are suggesting it is, and it is so obviously not that way, that there is little point in asserting it is. A quick search at sourceforge shows close to 2000 projects with less than 10% activity. So, it a

Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-07 Thread Peter Alcibiades
Look, I don't want to get us off into off-topic flame wars, and I don't think necessarily that going Open Source is the answer for Rev, or that it would have been for HC. Its worth serious consideration is all I would argue. But you have to say that these remarks really misrepresent the Open So

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-07 Thread Richard Gaskin
As a team member of one of the longest-running Rev-based open source projects, the MC IDE, I share much of the enthusiasm for the benefits of the process and, with more than a dozen others, have translated that enthusiasm into action. But on balance, I believe a lot of that success is due to t

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-07 Thread simplsol
lopment was done for the last 19 years Paul Looney -Original Message- From: David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: How to use Revolution Sent: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 3:40 am Subject: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago? How would the world of softw

Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-07 Thread David Bovill
How would the world of software languages that we know of now be different? Perhaps: 1. Visual Basic would not have had the success that it did as companies re-hacked HyperTalk to fit their business needs 2. We'd have got colour and video and object orientation well ahead of the competit