I had seen that before, but the install is still via the shell, whereas
the other one is the more familiar OS X install.
Cheers,
Luis.
Hershel Fisch wrote:
On 9/28/06 11:47 AM, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lookee what I found!
On 9/28/06 11:47 AM, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lookee what I found!
http://web.mac.com/dru_satori/iWeb/PostgreSQLforMac/Welcome.html
Cheers,
Luis.
Check this out as well,
http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/welcome.html
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Bill,
As someone who has in fact used FileMaker to create a full-blown application
(though not of the standalone variety) on several occasions, I can attest to
at least much of what you say. My experience is all FMPro 5.5 and earlier,
so it is seriously outdated, but I always found FM to be
Bill, thank you for the honest and accurate description of the
differences between RR and FM Pro and the detail concerning the
capabilities of FM Pro.
I specially like the idea of the Robot commanded via RR.
Saludos,
Javier Miranda V.
Dan,
Thanks for your comments! To be honest, I let FileMaker Pro gather dust on
my shelf during the 4.0 - 6.0 years because that point you describe of
hitting the wall came all too early. However, version 7.0 of FileMaker
truly re-invigorated the product. And, version 8.5 (the current release)
Javier,
I was on vacation the last week, so I'm coming into your thread a bit late.
I'm not surprised that you received a lot of pro-Rev advice... it IS a
Revolution list, after all! However, I don't believe it's a clear-cut
answer.
The strength of Rev is in the total control you have over
On 9/29/06 3:44 AM, Josh Mellicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Josh,
3. If you include one or more of the MySQL drivers in your non-GPL
application (so that your application can run with MySQL), you need a
commercial license for the driver(s) in question. The MySQL drivers
currently include
True, but in that instance I'd push it all over an encrypted channel.
Especially so if it's an externally hosted database.
Cheers,
Luis.
Josh Mellicker wrote:
On Sep 28, 2006, at 1:26 AM, Luis wrote:
Hiya,
You have to be careful with some providers, quite a few of them will
not allow
One more on the subject:
Why not install FM Pro Server and then access it via ODBC with
Standalones in the client machines? Does it work?
I have been able to connect to MySQL with RR's Query Builder but I
couldn't do the same to connect to FM Pro with ODBC, I have the
drivers and the ODBC
all new Dreamhost MySQL connections are v5.0 or greater. They dumped
4.x over a half year ago.
* This is why you can note that even host providers do not switch to 5.0
actively.
--
stephen barncard
s a n f r a n c i s c o
- - - - - - - - - - - -
all new Dreamhost MySQL connections are v5.0 or greater. They
dumped 4.x over a half year ago.
* This is why you can note that even host providers do not switch to
5.0 actively.
I share Stephen's enthusiasm for DreamHost. Several Rev users have gotten
RevCGIs to run there. Also, they
3. If you include one or more of the MySQL drivers in your
non-GPL application (so that your application can run with
MySQL), you need a commercial license for the driver(s) in
question. The MySQL drivers currently include an ODBC driver,
a JDBC driver and the C language library.
Does
I'm not sure if I have this right.
Rev includes some MySQL drivers with the package. But we can't
distribute an application built using those drivers without some kind
of license with MySQL inc.?
is that right?
I have two reads on MySQL licensing; I have a certain bias because of my
On 9/29/06 4:45 PM, Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'm not sure if I have this right.
Rev includes some MySQL drivers with the package. But we can't
distribute an application built using those drivers without some kind
of license with MySQL inc.?
is that right?
Sort of... you
I'm not sure if I have this right.
Rev includes some MySQL drivers with the package. But we can't
distribute an application built using those drivers without some
kind of license with MySQL inc.?
is that right?
Probably yes, although I am not qualified to give legal advice :) The
On 9/30/06 1:04 AM, Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/29/06 4:45 PM, Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'm not sure if I have this right.
Rev includes some MySQL drivers with the package. But we can't
distribute an application built using those drivers without some kind
of
-
P.S. (sorry for kind of advertise, which I consider as information):
yes, I need to know this.
Ruslan, I've gone a long way into my project. I have questions:
1. Does Valentina run the main MySQL syntax as is, or is it very different.
2. Is there a tool like CocoaMySQL (macintosh)
On 9/29/06 6:12 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In general there are (IMHO) two free uses of mySQL: (1) distributing a fully
GPL-compliant application, and (2) accessing a mySQL DB at an ISP via
browser-based input (or the equivalent), so that the drivers and database
are fully
D) Note, that commercial license do not say that IF you use
driver but store db on some ISP host you get it for free.
Commercial license says: IF your non-GPL app uses driver -
you must pay. Point.
Yes, this is how dreamhost lets you have all those nice apps - like Ken
said, you don't lay
In general there are (IMHO) two free uses of mySQL: (1)
distributing a fully GPL-compliant application, and (2)
accessing a mySQL DB at an ISP via browser-based input (or
the equivalent), so that the drivers and database are fully
in the hands of the ISP and there's nothing for you to
Note that the license is usually negotiated with the
customer, so it may end up being one, two, or all of the
above, depending. MySQL AB, although they are (as I think
Lynn put it) profiting on the confusion of the licensing
arrangements, they are also quite flexible in their
licensing
Hiya,
You have to be careful with some providers, quite a few of them will not
allow remote connections, only local access (such as using php on the
server) to server the data.
Cheers,
Luis.
Ken Ray wrote:
On 9/27/06 11:06 PM, Josh Mellicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With my library,
Hi there,
Postgres is FREE. MySQL is not. If you read the license
carefully this becomes very clear.
I would never recommend giving some other company
control of my company's database. You have no idea
what they might do with the information, and you
can't say for sure that you are really
I didn't think it needed an External. Looking at revOpenDatabase it
looks like the support is 'native' (I think that's what I also saw in
the features of Rev Studio on the RunRev site).
Cheers,
Luis.
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
But SQLLite external for Revolution is sold
Lookee what I found!
http://web.mac.com/dru_satori/iWeb/PostgreSQLforMac/Welcome.html
Cheers,
Luis.
Rick Harrison wrote:
Hi there,
Postgres is FREE. MySQL is not. If you read the license
carefully this becomes very clear.
I would never recommend giving some other company
control of my
Luis wrote:
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
But SQLLite external for Revolution is sold it seems for $150
How much is the Valentina external for Revolution?
I didn't think it needed an External. Looking at revOpenDatabase it
looks like the support is 'native' (I think that's
Ah! I see them now, in Externals/Database Drivers.
Cheers,
Luis.
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Luis wrote:
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
But SQLLite external for Revolution is sold it seems for $150
How much is the Valentina external for Revolution?
I didn't think it needed an
I know Dreamhost allows remote use - with a connection to a single
IP, verified at the server. That can be the Wan side of a router and
will work for all users in a LAN.
By the way I just put the latest BETA Mac version of MySQL 5.1.1 on
my Powerbook so I can develop without being connected
Hi Richard,
Luis wrote:
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
But SQLLite external for Revolution is sold it seems for $150
How much is the Valentina external for Revolution?
I didn't think it needed an External. Looking at revOpenDatabase it
looks like the support is 'native' (I
On 9/28/06 6:58 PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Luis,
Hi Richard,
I didn't think it needed an External. Looking at revOpenDatabase it
looks like the support is 'native' (I think that's what I also saw in
the features of Rev Studio on the RunRev site).
The Rev engine has no
On Sep 28, 2006, at 1:26 AM, Luis wrote:
Hiya,
You have to be careful with some providers, quite a few of them
will not allow remote connections, only local access (such as using
php on the server) to server the data.
Cheers,
Luis.
If your site has cPanel, there is a section where
On Sep 27, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
Hey Josh! If you really want to go wild, you can create a
frontScript that
has a mouseUp handler that executes updateMe so that the fields
and popup
menus don't need any script at all!
Ken, I DO really want to go wild! :D
On Sep 28, 2006, at 8:42 AM, Rick Harrison wrote:
Hi there,
Postgres is FREE. MySQL is not. If you read the license
carefully this becomes very clear.
Here's what I found on http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/
commercial-license.html:
1. If you include the MySQL server with
Javier,
Keep in mind that MySQL is not free for commercial applications and that the
licensing involved is at least confusing (at least it was to me and I have a
law degree!).
That said, the Rev solution can look any number of ways. Perhaps the most
common usage is to design a Revolution
Hiya,
Any ideas what the storage capacity is for Valentina? I did a little
research on FM Pro, apparently it can handle a few Terabytes (although I
only managed to test it with a 3GB database, performance not being too bad).
I've been curious about Valentina, especially the fact that you can
Hiya again,
If you do decide to go the browser route you could also try Dataface
http://fas.sfu.ca/dataface/
Check out the video demo.
Cheers,
Luis.
Dan Shafer wrote:
Javier,
Keep in mind that MySQL is not free for commercial applications and that
the
licensing involved is at least
On 9/27/06 11:23 AM, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Luis,
Any ideas what the storage capacity is for Valentina? I did a little
research on FM Pro, apparently it can handle a few Terabytes (although I
only managed to test it with a 3GB database, performance not being too bad).
Well,
Hiya,
Thanks for the info.
I have been looking at the site, off and on, and it looks like I might
be investing in it, although I need to get over the initial learning
Revolution hurdle...
Cheers,
Luis.
Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
On 9/27/06 11:23 AM, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Luis,
On 9/27/06 1:01 PM, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Luis,
Thanks for the info.
I have been looking at the site, off and on, and it looks like I might
be investing in it, although I need to get over the initial learning
Revolution hurdle...
Actually you can at first download and play with
Dan said:
Javier,
Keep in mind that MySQL is not free for commercial applications and that the
licensing involved is at least confusing (at least it was to me and I have a
law degree!).
I should follow up to say that, yes if you want to host your own
MYSQL server there are fees involved,
Aside from the usual suspects there are two others that I know of:
SQLite http://www.sqlite.org/whentouse.html
Firebird http://www.firebirdsql.org/
Decisions, decisions... Insofar as I can tell both of these are free to
use for whatever.
Cheers,
Luis.
Stephen Barncard wrote:
Dan
On 9/27/06 3:37 PM, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aside from the usual suspects there are two others that I know of:
SQLite http://www.sqlite.org/whentouse.html
Firebird http://www.firebirdsql.org/
Decisions, decisions... Insofar as I can tell both of these are free to
use for
Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
But SQLLite external for Revolution is sold it seems for $150
How much is the Valentina external for Revolution?
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Managing Editor, revJournal
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Well, there's plenty of wrappers and drivers for SQLite:
http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=SqliteWrappers
And Firebird also has a few drivers.
Sure, the 'integration' is not there, I was suggesting them as options.
I for one found the earlier Firebird hard to deal with, but still
On Sep 27, 2006, at 6:49 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
FireBird - it seems there is no way to use with Rev.
One might guess ODBC or a custom external might allow use.
Dar Scott
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Please
And besides, isn't SQLite already embedded into OS X in CoreData? Might
be an idea to latch onto that.
Yes, SQLite is embedded into OSX, but there's not a ready connector
for Rev to access it. We (Altuit) makes such a connector, complete
with embedded database, and Ruslan is correct, it sells
Uhmmm! I really shake the list with my inquiry, not bad for my first
post!, In vegeance you give me a lot of homework.
Thank you very much, it seems that the effort would be well
compensated, the question now is which way to follow, continue using
FM via Instant Publish although aminorates
On 9/26/06 8:21 PM, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ooops! Forgot: FM Pro allows you to create standalone DB front-ends
for the clients to access the data, so if you want a 'rich' client
experience that could be the way to go (again, limited to 5
connections for an FM Pro 'server').
I don't
The happy client will be the one who gets what he wants in a timely
manner without a lot of fuss. Valentina is extremely fast. So is a
jet plane. Filemaker gets up and running quickly without the steep
learning curve. So does a Volkswagen.
I would not like to fly a jet plane back and forth
On 9/28/06 1:58 AM, Robert Sneidar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The happy client will be the one who gets what he wants in a timely
manner without a lot of fuss. Valentina is extremely fast. So is a
jet plane. Filemaker gets up and running quickly without the steep
learning curve. So does a
Yep, does. This was on FM Pro 8.
Cheers,
Luis.
On 27 Sep 2006, at 23:33, Hershel Fisch wrote:
On 9/26/06 8:21 PM, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ooops! Forgot: FM Pro allows you to create standalone DB front-ends
for the clients to access the data, so if you want a 'rich' client
experience
On 28 Sep 2006, at 0:34, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
On 9/28/06 1:58 AM, Robert Sneidar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The happy client will be the one who gets what he wants in a timely
manner without a lot of fuss. Valentina is extremely fast. So is a
jet plane. Filemaker gets up and running quickly
I am writing a fairly heavy-duty application in Rev that interfaces
with a MySQL database on our server in Texas. Five people have been
using this app (Rev standalones) heavily day and night for 6 weeks,
our company has been running on it, and despite the stream of
expected (and some
On 9/27/06 11:06 PM, Josh Mellicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With my library, each field and popup menu has a script like:
ON mouseUp
updateMe
END mouseUp
That's it!
the updateMe handler gets information about what to update, and
what format, from custom properties attached to the
This sounds a little bit like the database objects project Trevor
Devore is working on.
At 21:06 -0700 9/27/06, Josh Mellicker wrote:
Until I got my custom MySQL library written and decided on a simple
way to map Rev controls with database elements it was very
time-consuming, now I can
While not trying to initiate a war , I would like to know if the
process of migrating from FileMaker to a Revolution/MySQL will
compensate the effort. Here is situation:
I'm in the final stages of building an Application for Document
Management using FileMaker, it works fine, presenting a
Insofar as I can remember FM Pro allows 5 connections to a client
running the database, so a client can effectively be a limited 'server'.
You don't need a a copy of FM on every client box, you can use a
browser to get at the data (on FM Server and even in the above
scenario) although some
Ooops! Forgot: FM Pro allows you to create standalone DB front-ends
for the clients to access the data, so if you want a 'rich' client
experience that could be the way to go (again, limited to 5
connections for an FM Pro 'server').
Cheers,
Luis.
On 27 Sep 2006, at 1:19, Luis wrote:
On 9/27/06 3:21 AM, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Javier,
Hi Luis,
Ooops! Forgot: FM Pro allows you to create standalone DB front-ends
for the clients to access the data, so if you want a 'rich' client
experience that could be the way to go (again, limited to 5
connections for an FM Pro
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